Oblivion on the PS3, impressive?

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The PS3 version of Oblivion isn't a simple port of the game either, although players who have picked up the 360 version will be very familiar with the control scheme. For one thing, the PS3 version has been optimized to take advantage of the Cell processor and hardware that the system offers. As a result, the game runs a lot faster than the 360 build. Entering dungeons or buildings results in a load of 3-5 seconds, compared to the 7-10 seconds or longer for the 360 version of the game. Similarly, the amount of framerate drops or hitches that cropped up in the wilderness as you accessed a new area on the 360 have been substantially reduced on the PS3 version.
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So it runs and looks better on the PS3??? SAY IT ISNT SO!
 
It will be impressive when it can use all of the PC version mods.
 
Surprise surprise given another full year they were able to optimize the code better. I doubt it has anything to do with the cell.
 
All over the place, it's already being spun as "they had an extra year of dev time over the 360 version".

We'll never know for sure why it's better in some regards. Could the 360 have approached this with more dev time? Could it have surpassed the PS3 version? Did they already get the most out of it?

All in all, this is just more fan-boy fodder that will make me die a little inside every time that I have to hear it.

At least it's nice to hear this version is quality.
 
I wasn't trying to sound like a !!!!!!. I was just trying to point out that it may not be necessarily the HW but improved SW that reduced load times. I fully hope the PS3 is a great as the PS2 because than it would continue to push MS and other companies to compete and make better products. Yes I may own a 360 but that doesn't mean I want everything else to fail.
 
The funny thing is they said that because the Blu-Ray player was slower than the 360's drive so they just put duplicate data all over the disk so it accesses faster. While a round about way of doing things, it's an interesting way to use the additional space available.
 
PS3 was released a year later than the 360, better performance should be expected.
 
This should shut the 360 !!!!!! comments like:
The ps3 is just a 7600gt and cant match 360 games
and the PS3 cant load games quicker due to bluray versus 360s dvd drive etc. i think soon i a month or 2 360 !!!!!!s will be real pissed when they cant back their previous arguments up etc lol
 
Guyver03 said:
QFT!

Oh noes! We have multiple video game options to choose from! What shall we do?!
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End up having to buy multiple video game platforms due to platform exclusives.

A platform exclusive ought to be exclusive based on the advantages specific to that platform. Like the Wii. I don't want Wii games playable on a xbox360 for obvious reasons, I wouldn't want most xbox360 games on the Wii either . PC games have great multiplayer(due to the dedicated servers being strong enough to support large persistent servers) and mods.

Xbox360 and PS3 are competing to do the same thing, and I'd prefer the games I want to play to be released on the console I already have. The more PS3 exclusives that jump to the Xbox360 the better. It's not that the PS3 is a bad piece of technology, it's that it's too expensive for what it offers me. I'd rather not find myself wanting something that only the PS3 has.
 
Well, the case with the Blu-Ray vs. 360 drive was actually stated by Bethesda. They found that because they had so much extra space on the disk, they could just duplicate the data on the disk several times to "get around" the slower speed. That doesn't mean it's not true.
Still, there's always the installation option for some games...or more designers can use the duplicate data idea.
I'm not sure why everyone has to be partisan toward one system or another. They all have advantages and weaknesses. I have things I love and despise on all 3 of them.
 
I'm sure the one year of extra development time was what allowed them to smooth out Oblivion for the PS3, but it presents itself as the perfect opportunity to spin this as a PS3 hardware benefit.
 
quadnad said:
I'm sure the one year of extra development time was what allowed them to smooth out Oblivion for the PS3, but it presents itself as the perfect opportunity to spin this as a PS3 hardware benefit.
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Of course if it had been stated it runs crappier than the 360 version, all of you would have been like "OMFG THE PS3 sucks" ROFL!! I KNEW IT!! LOL!?!?
When something finally can spin in sony's direction, you people will still find a way to cut it down.


And how do we know for a fact that it isn't a hardware benefit? Quite possibly could be.
 
4saken said:
Of course if it had been stated it runs crappier than the 360 version, all of you would have been like "OMFG THE PS3 sucks" ROFL!! I KNEW IT!! LOL!?!?
When something finally can spin in sony's direction, you people will still find a way to cut it down.


And how do we know for a fact that it isn't a hardware benefit? Quite possibly could be.
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heh, I didn't mean that post as something only Sony would do. MS (or any other company for that matter) would sure as hell do the same thing if it were the other way around! I'm not someone who just pisses all over the PS3 for the hell of it: I really think they made some big mistakes. In the end though, I'm not one who will just "find a way to cut it down" because I dislike Sony.

You have to be honest: an extra year of development is going to do a shitload more for performance than having a significantly worse video subsystem (in comparison with the 360) but a better processor (again, in comparison with the 360). Everything is pure speculation because we are never given any accurate information based on how they were coded.

EDIT: I don't want to turn this into an anti-Sony/PS3 thread, we've got too many threads closing because they devolve into this.
 
kelbear said:
End up having to buy multiple video game platforms due to platform exclusives.
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Well, first off let me point out that you don't HAVE to buy anything.You choose to buy another game system because it has a game you want to play. I bought my PS2 and loved it. I wanted to play Halo so I chose to buy an X-box. When the prices dropped I thought about all the Gamecube games I wanted...so I chose to buy another system.

kelbear said:
A platform exclusive ought to be exclusive based on the advantages specific to that platform. Like the Wii. I don't want Wii games playable on a xbox360 for obvious reasons, I wouldn't want most xbox360 games on the Wii either . PC games have great multiplayer(due to the dedicated servers being strong enough to support large persistent servers) and mods.
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Good luck convincing game companies to take that approach. As much as I wished game companies cared deeply about Joe Consumer, it's all about the money.

Some Guy: "Well, this game system has a few million systems out there and this controller would be awesome for our game."

Some Other Guy: "Uhm, this other game system company has 10 times the installed user base and says we will send us money stuffed with money if we put in on their system instead."

Some Guy: "Touche..."

kelbear said:
Xbox360 and PS3 are competing to do the same thing, and I'd prefer the games I want to play to be released on the console I already have. The more PS3 exclusives that jump to the Xbox360 the better. It's not that the PS3 is a bad piece of technology, it's that it's too expensive for what it offers me. I'd rather not find myself wanting something that only the PS3 has.
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I agree that I want things to be available on the items I already own, but I also understand that it's something that will not happen. Somehow we have this notion (myself included) that we feel like we are entitled to play all games but in fact, it's a privilege. I count myself lucky that I can buy multiple platforms and plays most all the games that I want. And I don't want to be the one to argue the concept of exclusives and differing hardware not bringing innovation and advances in games.
 
It might just be me but i think some people have to say something bad about PS3 and the Oblivion announcements a while ago.

Heres several things that were said by anti PS3 Hard forum users that i recollect and admittedly made me angry and doubtful of the PS3 now i guess You should never underestimate the power of Playstation/Good game developers:

The 360 has a x1900xt+ and a ps3 has a 7600gt/7800 and will never look better in oblivion.

The cell processor is way too hard to program for.

The ps3 only has 256meg ram and the 360 can use nearly all the 512 in Oblivion

The PS3s game load times will always be slower than 360 due to BluRay.

Take note EA!!!
 
Rash said:
It might just be me but i think some people have to say something bad about PS3 and the Oblivion announcements a while ago.

Heres several things that were said by anti PS3 Hard forum users that i recollect and admittedly made me angry and doubtful of the PS3 now i guess You should never underestimate the power of Playstation/Good game developers:

The 360 has a x1900xt+ and a ps3 has a 7600gt/7800 and will never look better in oblivion.

The cell processor is way too hard to program for.

The ps3 only has 256meg ram and the 360 can use nearly all the 512 in Oblivion

The PS3s game load times will always be slower than 360 due to BluRay.

Take note EA!!!
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And, it's not like you could be biased either. *looks at signature and counts Sony mentions* ;) :p
 
Rash said:
This should shut the 360 !!!!!! comments like:
The ps3 is just a 7600gt and cant match 360 games
and the PS3 cant load games quicker due to bluray versus 360s dvd drive etc. i think soon i a month or 2 360 !!!!!!s will be real pissed when they cant back their previous arguments up etc lol
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Cell > 360's tricore

r500> rsx

It's a trade off.
 
NEODARK said:
And, it's not like you could be biased either. *looks at signature and counts Sony mentions* ;) :p
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Well if MS and nintendo made TVs/Laptops/Pcs/Walkmans/Phones i might be interested in buying them!! But reality has it they dont!!:p apart from the Zune player but it hasnt proved itself much in its first revision!
 
prtzlboy said:
I like chicken.
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i love lamp...and chicken

but then again oblivion has been out for quite a while and has been played through and through, after getting to experience the pc modding community for the game, settling for the console version would make baby jesus cry
 
Domingo said:
The funny thing is they said that because the Blu-Ray player was slower than the 360's drive so they just put duplicate data all over the disk so it accesses faster. While a round about way of doing things, it's an interesting way to use the additional space available.
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Do you know that this technique was used for Xbox 360 version as well? Here is the quote straight from Bethesda:

Bethesda's Pete Hines also commented that recent reports of data duplication on the PS3 Oblivion disc have been exaggerated, and this technique isn't different from the similar strategy that was employed in the creation of the Xbox 360 game last year.
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http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news.html?sid=6165505&tag=topslot;title;2&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot
 
tirminyl said:
Competition between manufacturers benefit the consumers. Long live all game systems.
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I have all 3... lol. And, I love them all. Although, i've been playing my Wii a lot these days. Never really cared for Oblivion. Waiting for better games to come out for PS3. Haven't turned it on in a few weeks. It's just collecting dust.
 
Good for Sony....mark one on the plus side for them. Only 5 bajillion more to go and they will be even:)

I have my fingers crossed for them, I really do.
 
It's cool that Oblivion runs well on the PS3 but it doesn't say much about the power of the machine.

I think the true test will be games like GTA IV that have been developed for both platforms from the beginning and launch at the same time.
 
IndyJoe said:
I wasn't trying to sound like a !!!!!!. I was just trying to point out that it may not be necessarily the HW but improved SW that reduced load times. I fully hope the PS3 is a great as the PS2 because than it would continue to push MS and other companies to compete and make better products. Yes I may own a 360 but that doesn't mean I want everything else to fail.
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The load time reduction is because they duplicated the game's data numerous times across the disk in order to keep the read head from having to seek very far to get the data it's looking for :D. That's definitely a programming and data mastering issue, not a hardware issue.
 
DragonMasterAlex said:
The load time reduction is because they duplicated the game's data numerous times across the disk in order to keep the read head from having to seek very far to get the data it's looking for :D. That's definitely a programming and data mastering issue, not a hardware issue.
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"Bethesda's Pete Hines also commented that recent reports of data duplication on the PS3 Oblivion disc have been exaggerated, and this technique isn't different from the similar strategy that was employed in the creation of the Xbox 360 game last year."
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news.html?sid=6165505

:)
 
Even given another full year of development I wasn't sure they would be able to shorten load times given less memory and slower I/O performance. I guess this is going to a ford vs chevy thing since they are both going to get thier exclusives. Kind of pointless to judge thier potential abilites this early. These next few years are going to be interesting to watch these two systems fighting it out.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Cell > 360's tricore

r500> rsx

It's a trade off.
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It's not that simple, actually. Here's a still-too-simple but clearer picture:

Cell>Xenon for Floating Point operations (about 1.5x)

Xenon>Cell for Integer ops (about 3.5x)

R500>RSX...well, yeah, pretty much in every category.

DVD>Bluray for transfer speed

Bluray>DVD for storage capacity.

360 overall Bandwidth>>>PS3 overall bandwidth

360 Online>>>>>PS3 online

PS3 durability>360 durability (based off what we know of PS3 to date, but problem reports are sparse, unlike 360's problem reports, which are EVERYWHERE)

PS3 hard drive implementation>>>360 hard drive implementation (let us CHOOSE our own damn drives!)

PS3=360 in butt ugliness :D
 
I now believe that the world will end when every single console thread stops dissolving into a !!!!!! pissing contest.

In other news, a large group of people just played their respective game system and had a good time without worrying about which system pwns the other.
 
chew63 said:
I now believe that the world will end when every single console thread stops dissolving into a !!!!!! pissing contest.

In other news, a large group of people just played their respective game system and had a good time without worrying about which system pwns the other.
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Agreed. STFU and play people.
 
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