I feel the exact opposite. NY is in the top of the states in almost all categories for a reason.
Or would you argue that NJ, and it's basically ruined economy and rising debt, is the example we should be following?
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NY Governor Wants Statewide 100Mbps Internet by 2019
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I feel the exact opposite. NY is in the top of the states in almost all categories for a reason.
Or would you argue that NJ, and it's basically ruined economy and rising debt, is the example we should be following?
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I live in the midwest - there are areas of concentrated population and large rural areas. The concentrated areas tend to have "decent" internet speeds provided by hosting companies such as TWC, etc.
Once you get out of the populated zones, I think available options fall drastically. I've read of initiatives to try to get state-wide internet for schools, emergency personnel, and business. Seems like it makes sense as TWC is not going to run the infrastructure as it will not make them money. In cases like this, the government kind of has to drive the project.
Once you get out of the populated zones, I think available options fall drastically. I've read of initiatives to try to get state-wide internet for schools, emergency personnel, and business. Seems like it makes sense as TWC is not going to run the infrastructure as it will not make them money. In cases like this, the government kind of has to drive the project.
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You have to look at where the value is. It's probably not substantially more expensive to roll out 100 Mbps vs 20 Mbps - either way you're going to have to build infrastructure and that's where the major cost is going to be. And you have to build for the future. 20 Mbps might be fine for today, but in the long term people will need more.
And that's why this country was setup as a representative republic with a strict limit on he powers of government.
Democracy is nothing more than 2 wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner.
Freedom is when the sheep has a gun
You mean like top in high taxes, top in regulations, tops in the number of middle class people leaving the state (just like California).
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I would be very interested to see the CBA numbers on this one.
And that's why this country was setup as a representative republic with a strict limit on he powers of government.
Democracy is nothing more than 2 wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner.
Freedom is when the sheep has a gun
Hurr durr its not a democracy its a republic!
Go read a book dude. That's not an argument.
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I would love to see how they arrived at those numbers. Exactly why the government should not get involved in the internet.
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I'd just be happy if Verizon had finished the towns it had started expanding Fios into. I can see it from my window where it ends and they wont bring it down to me
I do understand that it costs money to bring it down but I had Fios before so I know what I'm missing. Time Warner in the Buffalo area is so hit or miss even with the highest residential tier available from them.
I do understand that it costs money to bring it down but I had Fios before so I know what I'm missing. Time Warner in the Buffalo area is so hit or miss even with the highest residential tier available from them.
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It's not a problem with NYC, it's the entire country. Although I'd hardly call it a problem, look at this map, how did Obama win in 2012?
As someone pointed out, land can't vote.
True, and I'm sure that's also the same most elsewhere as well. A leadership should take into accounts the needs of everyone, but the cold reality is they are not going to be able to please everyone. So they tend to try and please the masses most, then everyone else.
I mean take California for instance (similar situation), you have Southern California... they're taking an absolute shit ton of water from the northern part of the state on account of a ton of people living there and it is a very dry desert region (but people want laws and water parks), then that upsets the farmers because that means less water for the farmers who always claim "We make food for you" always conveniently ignoring the fact that farmers aren't growing food to try and feed the state they're growing food to make money, that's why they call them cash crops, many of which are sold on the open market too so they're not feeding Californians they're feeding whoever will pay most (For rice and soy that's usually Asian countries), then you have the environmentalists (and people who live where the water comes from) they don't want huge dams built there and to have their climate changed to a dry desolate one. Well you're a politician, who are you going to side with? The people who live near the water? tiny fraction of voters. The farmers? probably a smaller fraction of voters. or the millions of voters who take the water?
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Oh and the entire state with 100Mbps connection in 4-5 years? Yeah, that's not going to happen. Cities like NYC alone will bankrupt any budget due to red tape e.g. permits, environmental impact studies, etc. and before they lay one cable, you'll have legal challenges by these big corporations crying unfair, and regardless of the truth in the matter they have very deep pockets for lawyers and probably could outlast the entire state in legal shenanigans.
I'm normally not for gov.'t interference. I'm a big believer in free market enterprise. But sometimes, the gov.'t needs to prod the companies, like when they forced broadcast companies to transmit TV in digital only and not analog, certain states banning smoking in bars, and this, forcing higher speed broadband Internet. Maybe I'm just frustrated b/c I'm stuck w/ AT&T DSL, which maxes out at 6 Mbps in my 'hood.
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I'd just be happy if Verizon had finished the towns it had started expanding Fios into. I can see it from my window where it ends and they wont bring it down to me
I do understand that it costs money to bring it down but I had Fios before so I know what I'm missing. Time Warner in the Buffalo area is so hit or miss even with the highest residential tier available from them.
You can pretty much thank a CEO change, and a new CEO that wanted to appease shareholders by getting stock price up and ending the spending of billions to lay the ground work for FiOS.
When that happened, our staff of over 100 was cut to around 25... and its been there ever since. (We design the layout for some of their FiOS networks, including NYC)
The only spots VZ is still completing installations is in the areas it has a signed contract to do so. If they dont have a contract forcing them to finish the install, as you said, you might see the pretty orange FiOS cable on your pole, but it will never, ever provide service at this point.
When the FiOS rollout stopped, Comcast no longer had to really worry, and they still dont for the most part. What they both fear more than anything is Google expanding their tests of fiber, and I'd love to see it happen just to watch them panic... and hire back some of the people we lost in layoffs to restart the rollout of FiOS again.
No its not. Trust me. AT&T and Cox fought a long battle to prevent municipal cable, because they didn't want to build out infrastructure to compete and they didn't want to compete against lower prices.
Cox, the 4th largest cable company, went as far as to join the small cable alliance (name maybe off, but tha'ts what they are) so they could prevent LUS from joining, thus ensuring that their video prices would be higher. LUS could compete on internet, but on video they had issues.
Cox and AT&T found 2 or 3 citizens to fight municipal fiber (after AT&T/Cox had lost every other fight), even though pretty much nobody knew who these people were.
I don't know anybody with LUS that isn't happy. They get higher speeds, for a lower price and within LUS, you have P2P at 100 Mb/s.
Suggest you do some reasearch. LUS exists, because the incumbent electric providers wouldn't provide electricity to the city. History repeated itself with fast broadband. Most places surrounding the area they serve want them to EXPAND to them.
And FYI, Lafayette is a very conservative part of Louisiana, so you can't blame big government liberals for ramming their agenda down everyone's throat.
It works and customers are happy. That's more than you can say about Comcast customers (generally one of the least liked companies in the US).
Communist? Really? Find me a communist in a position of power within our government (Governor or anyone in congress). They don't exist. Not even Bernie Sanders is a communist, but he is one of the few true socialists (for better or worse) in the U.S.
Do not for get the high gas prices NJ is 1.99 NY is 2.45 a gal here where I am.
Land and school taxes are 500$ a month on a 170,000$ home on 1/4a.lot. 8.25% sales tax and also has a state income tax about the same rate.
We get to pay a MTA transit tax to support the subway in NYC so the people who use it don't have to pay a lot for a ticket. Never been in the subway but I get to help pay for it.
Not to mention the insane gun and knife laws now imposed on us.
Can't have more than 7 rounds in your gun, no bayonet mount, thumb hole in the stock or flash suppressor or handle on the for arm. When was the last time some one was killed in NY with a bayonet? 1812 maybe.
CC permit will be issued if the state thinks you deserve to have one on a need basis.
Not will issue unless you should not have one for a good reason.
And it can take up to 18 months to get one, if they want to give it to you that is.
Oh and the pet snake and reptile, animal laws.
We throw more money at our school systems in this state, yet half the kids that graduate can't read or write or fill out a job application with out spelling mistakes.
It's one or the other swindling you not both. Cable providers will not directly compete with each other so if Comcast has reigns to ny well Verizon won't get in the way they'll keep busy with it's other areas. That's why you're stuck with only one option in the first place. It's some weird unwritten rule they follow.
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I don't think Verizon cares about anything it seems like they banked everything on LTE and couldn't care less about hard line internet anywhere anymore. If there is not major competition they will run DSL or 56K, heck they even sold half their FIOS to frontier.
More on the point of this thread, I don't think 100mb internet in NYC is really a sensible goal. Network speeds tend to go up by orders of magnitude and it tends to cost similar amounts to lay whatever is out at a certain time. Think about your LAN, 10>100>1000>10000. It didn't go up from 10 to 20.....Second if you were building a LAN today it wouldn't be any less than 1000, for any reason other than stupidity.
Right now if any company, or government wants to lay something they should be laying 1Gb lines that way if they make an investment it will actually mean something in 5-10 years, and people wont be right back at their door saying um this 100 sucks when most other major markets have 1000.
Your so use to projecting a specific narrative, you think my comments are over one person?
Doesn't matter if your comments are about every elected official who won by popular vote. You're still wrong.