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nvidia working on SLi version 2?

I had a feeling something like this was comming. I expect SLI2 will most likely offer the same sort of things that Crossfire is offering.
 
Hmm... Or perhaps SLi-2 will allow dual GPU cards in an SLi configuration. Or perhaps more cards and a higher SLi bus speed???
 
Hopefully compatability isues are fixed and that more games will be able to take advantage of SLI.
 
BloodRayne said:
Hopefully compatability isues are fixed and that more games will be able to take advantage of SLI.
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yeah widescreen bugs keep from going with SLI v1, much less v2
 
What I want to see is more hardware implimentation and less driver profile nonsense like ATi's approach.

The bus speed of SLi comment really isn't the issue. What is, are the lack of multi-monitor support with SLi and the driver issues with games.

The DVI and Widescreen bugs are annoying, but surely they can be fixed without new hardware.
 
after reading the article on ATIs crossfire, their design looks more capable, and less of a hassle. I like it much better. However, ive had many bad experiences with ATI's implementation of design...drivers, support issues, compatability and stability issues... and now with ATI using their own chipset (this is their first, right?) makes me even MORE nervous.

My current rig, nForce3, 754socket, AGP based single GPU is SO stable and trouble free...id hate to give it up for some tempermental monstrosity.
 
nvidia could do different cards on the current sli.. its just a matter of driver and if you want your driver to run into countless issues by doing so.
 
If their driver support for the mobos are anything like the video cards then ill be happy. I have a nf3 board now and the only driver support we get for them is betas. The last offical drivers came out like, 9 months ago?
 
geekcomputing said:
nvidia could do different cards on the current sli.. its just a matter of driver and if you want your driver to run into countless issues by doing so.
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What the hell are you talking about? You can't mix and match cards in SLi. They have to be the same type, brand and clock speed. You can mix the brands in some cases with a BIOS flash. Even then theres no gaurantee.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
What the hell are you talking about? You can't mix and match cards in SLi. They have to be the same type, brand and clock speed. You can mix the brands in some cases with a BIOS flash. Even then theres no gaurantee.
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The rumor is that will change with the upcoming driver.
 
the drivers better fix alot of things before sli v2

We need dual monitor support back.
We Need widescreen working.
We need less profile specific shit.
 
ati is going to have a mix and match thing.

i was saying... that if nvidia wanted to they could do the same thing.

my only concern is the chaos that could come w/ all the different brands, cards, etc etc etc and the driver nightmare that is sure to come.
 
geekcomputing said:
ati is going to have a mix and match thing.

i was saying... that if nvidia wanted to they could do the same thing.

my only concern is the chaos that could come w/ all the different brands, cards, etc etc etc and the driver nightmare that is sure to come.
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Only within the same series. You still can only mix and match cards in the X800 PCI-Express line. That still leaves the use of X700's out and the use of a mixed X800/X700 series setup. Which BTW wasn't a good idea anyway as far as I was concerned. The cards need to have the same amount of memory, pipelines and vertex shaders. So that isn't as flexible as people hoped it would be.
 
How appropriate this comes out at the same time that ATI anounces cross-fire
 
Ruffy said:
the drivers better fix alot of things before sli v2

We need dual monitor support back.
We Need widescreen working.
We need less profile specific shit.
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Without the first two, I just can't see SLI being worth it. I'd imagine most people with enough $$$ to do SLI would also have a hdtv in their house, and that would be the first thing I'd do with the computer - large screen hd gaming.

Oh and to mryerse: Welcome to PR/Marketing 101. It's just drips from the marketing teet that fb's love to suck on. Just as you put down the nvidia/ati teet to take a look at the other one, something new and juicy comes flowing down the line.
 
mryerse said:
How appropriate this comes out at the same time that ATI anounces cross-fire
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Well gee, makes ya wonder dont it. SLI being so superior and ATI, pfft they couldnt get anything out until christmas or next year unless their lucky. Oh wait, they have working systems up?

Oops, seems like the only world leader in graphics (according to them) just might feel a little bit of a threat. Im sure happy i didnt invest in any Version 1 of their craptastic SLI now if they feel it needs changes on a hardware level 5 months after it was released. There goes your future proofing.

Honostly, this is just as stupid as possible and quite expected for Nvidia to do. Brag, brag brag, oops we need to change stuff.

This seems to be to be is just as stupid as Intel requiring a new chipset (that are all basically very simuliar) for every new processor type. LGA 775 = Socket 915/925, oop need a new one for 1066FSB, oops now you need another new one for dual cores. Oops, our 65nm parts wont work, new chipset time again. Meanwhile 939 is sitting quietly. Side tracked analogy rant, forgive me. ATI has a much more "futureproof" design by far.

This kills business and shows a companies complete lack to think ahead. Seems Nvidia was cought with their pants down as to how SUPERIOR CrossFire is. Not only will it not need hardware modifications since its all through drivers, no profiles, super sampling so in theory every game will get a boost, but it can work in dual Intel, VIA and im sure Nforce4 boards when they get around to those.
 
how does having two g70s kill my future proofing with this "crappy" sli. I have been enjoying two ultras now for 6 months. That is a lot of enjoyment for me. Two next gen cards in sli..if i even desire that...well that isnt too bad now is it? Is ATI' s solution better? maybe. So then i will upgrade to that down the road if need be. Many people argue two cards is ridiculous no matter the price to performance, yet now its great! Its just funny, some people say 30-80% better graphics performance sucks but they say this with their fx-55 processor and 6800 ultra setup..lol
 
people gotta remember one thing
Nvidia had sli in its pocket and its research labs alot longer then ATI. 3Dfx buyout anyone? I'm sure they can pull anything out their ass that would compete heavily.
 
Ruffy said:
people gotta remember one thing
Nvidia had sli in its pocket and its research labs alot longer then ATI. 3Dfx buyout anyone? I'm sure they can pull anything out their ass that would compete heavily.
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they why didnt they pull better game support out of there ass rather then screwing customers for the first 3 months?
 
FanATIc said:
they why didnt they pull better game support out of there ass rather then screwing customers for the first 3 months?
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because you never go all out in one go. You don't make a product that kicks so much ass that nothing can topple it. Because then whats the point of upgrading 6 months down the road when all you gain is 5% over previous gen?

Things are getting interesting now. Competition++ is always good.
 
It's cool with me if they fix everything wrong with SLI by introducing a new version. To bad it took them this long to actually get after it. Ironic that Crossfire is sounding so appealing and now this. hehe :D
 
Ruffy said:
because you never go all out in one go. You don't make a product that kicks so much ass that nothing can topple it. Because then whats the point of upgrading 6 months down the road when all you gain is 5% over previous gen?

Things are getting interesting now. Competition++ is always good.
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The goal is also to offer the technology as cheaply as possible. To do this you sometimes have to compromise on certain features or technology to offer a product at a certain price and make money.

Also, the technology was in its infancy in the modern age. Sure there was SLi with 3DFX, however that was along time ago, and those cards also didn't have 2D capabilities either. When your running your own 3D API (Glide) you've got some more freedom with hardware. implimentation.

Nvidia will probably do a better job this next time around then they have today. I just hope that the next version of SLi will be compatible with the SLi motherboards of today.
 
As of right now. I like crossfire better as an Idea. But I dont like how you have to use an ATi Chipset. (Not saying that they are bad) But we all know that NVidia Makes superior Chipsets for AMD CPUs and Intel Makes The best chipsets for their CPUs... its just a fact. Thats all.

Granted you have to use NVidia Chipsets for NVidia SLI, but thats ok since it is the best Chipset for AMD, and really pretty damn good for Intel too. They have proven themselfs.

So I think If I were to build a Computer soon. Dual 780GTX's will be the way to go. Even tho I like ATi Cards better.
 
Looks like nvidia has some drive rehauling again to the sli automatically work with all games good without configuring it. I think they have been slacking off too much thinking they were the best and stuff. I like it when this happens as it makes both companies put out faster cards and everything. :)
 
Steel Chicken said:
yeah widescreen bugs keep from going with SLI v1, much less v2
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The widescreen bug was fixed a while ago. I love my dell 2005FPW and 6800 ultra SLI.
 
and now with ATI using their own chipset (this is their first, right?) makes me even MORE nervous.
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ATI has been doing core logic for years - maybe not in the mainstream desktop segment, but they are definatly no newcomer to core logic.
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
As of right now. I like crossfire better as an Idea. But I dont like how you have to use an ATi Chipset. (Not saying that they are bad) But we all know that NVidia Makes superior Chipsets for AMD CPUs and Intel Makes The best chipsets for their CPUs... its just a fact. Thats all.

Granted you have to use NVidia Chipsets for NVidia SLI, but thats ok since it is the best Chipset for AMD, and really pretty damn good for Intel too. They have proven themselfs.
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SLI is coming to the Intel chipsets and NVIDIA now makes an Intel chipset. So either way you are covered. With all of the trouble ATI is having with their southbridge it may be a while before the "crossfire" boards are available.
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
As of right now. I like crossfire better as an Idea. But I dont like how you have to use an ATi Chipset. (Not saying that they are bad) But we all know that NVidia Makes superior Chipsets for AMD CPUs and Intel Makes The best chipsets for their CPUs... its just a fact. Thats all.

Granted you have to use NVidia Chipsets for NVidia SLI, but thats ok since it is the best Chipset for AMD, and really pretty damn good for Intel too. They have proven themselfs.

So I think If I were to build a Computer soon. Dual 780GTX's will be the way to go. Even tho I like ATi Cards better.
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I think everyone is going to be very impressed with the ATI chipset. Look at how far the Xtremesystem guys pushed those engineering sample ATI boards a few months ago. You don't think ATI took everything learned from that weekend and make major improvements?

Just think of the day when your chipset manufacture releases drivers more than twice a year........
 
PRIME1 said:
With all of the trouble ATI is having with their southbridge it may be a while before the "crossfire" boards are available.
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Link with real facts?
 
R1ckCa1n said:
Link with real facts?
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This is what I heard too. Thats why I said "to hell with ATi's chipsets"

Their cards are sweet. But I dont trust them yet to run my mobo.

Edit: "With vendors either using a ULi southbridge, or the (currently) buggy ATI southbridge, we may want to pay close attention to whose hardware is on the board."

Quoted from Anandtechs review of Cross Fire. It goes more indepth there

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2432
 
It was on some Cross Fire review, I forgot the site (in reality I only check this site and the inq). Their was an easy solution though (use the ULI southbridge) which gave great performance and is compatible with CrossFire.
Why because one South bridge that you have not even used yet was insulted by a review site?
Wow, thats pretty blind in my opinion. I have to agree though its not a good sign that they cant get the SB working fine but none the less all my other ATI Chip sets (used for a Frag box case that I made for a friend) I have used have been flawless.
Of course I will have to say what every one has said (because its true) I will wait for the performance numbers.
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
This is what I heard too. Thats why I said "to hell with ATi's chipsets"

Their cards are sweet. But I dont trust them yet to run my mobo.
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You dont have to use the ATi southbridge with an ATi northbridge. Reviews have shown that ATi makes one of the best OCing and performance chipsets, its just not widely adapted yet. That is the Xpress 200, the crossfire edition just simply adds the 8x/8x PCIe slot feature that is needed for any dual graphics.

Also, ATi is currently saying that they can most likely get Crossfire to work on other chipsets that support the spliting of the slots like Crossfire/SLI need.
 
Wasn't it more or less 100% focus on SLI that killed 3dFX?

When your annual refresh is "More SLI" instead of "better technology" then you know your in trouble.
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
As of right now. I like crossfire better as an Idea. But I dont like how you have to use an ATi Chipset. (Not saying that they are bad) But we all know that NVidia Makes superior Chipsets for AMD CPUs and Intel Makes The best chipsets for their CPUs... its just a fact. Thats all.

Granted you have to use NVidia Chipsets for NVidia SLI, but thats ok since it is the best Chipset for AMD, and really pretty damn good for Intel too. They have proven themselfs.

So I think If I were to build a Computer soon. Dual 780GTX's will be the way to go. Even tho I like ATi Cards better.
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I don't see the problem on the chipset side of thigns unless ati's chipset has a real stability or speed problem. Those are big issues and we'll find out failry soon though.
 
arentol said:
Wasn't it more or less 100% focus on SLI that killed 3dFX?

When your annual refresh is "More SLI" instead of "better technology" then you know your in trouble.
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When they bought STB, they ended up being fairly strapped for cash, plus the "creative" bookeeping of the financial department and upper management didn't help either. They were seriously lacking in R&D and couldn't come up with products that could compete with ATi and nVidia anymore. The Riva TNT2 Ultra was one of the main cards that got everyone switching to nVidia from 3DFX.

Yeah, back in those days it was 3DFX's way to just simply throw some more chips on the board to compete. Innovation was gone after the Voodoo 3 3000AGP cards came out.
 
Yeah but this is Fuad reporting on it. Take it with a grain of salt until more information...real information is available. :rolleyes:
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Yeah, back in those days it was 3DFX's way to just simply throw some more chips on the board to compete. Innovation was gone after the Voodoo 3 3000AGP cards came out.
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So I suppose the first card to make FSAA a reality in games (V5 5500) had no innovation whatsoever? :rolleyes:
 
jon_k said:
So I suppose the first card to make FSAA a reality in games (V5 5500) had no innovation whatsoever? :rolleyes:
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Ok, you've got a point there. That card however was much slower than competing cards from other vendors.

I quit using 3DFX cards after the Voodoo3's. nVidia cards were much faster, and I prefered the cleaner crisper image of OpenGL vs. Glide.
 
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