Nvidia Pricing - Feeling Upset

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So I took the plunge when the 7800GTX came out and picked up one waiting for the 7900 to come out and knock down prices so that I could upgrade. The problem is that he 7800s are still high in price despite the fact that NO ONE will pick one up in light of the 7900 launch. It makes me mad because it really hurts the 'upgrade path' selling point. It is clear to me that Nvidia intends you to purchse 2 at a time, and not one now and one later.
 
nVidia, or the makers of nVidia's cards?

Also, the 7800GT started at like $400 and is now about $290. That isnt bad.
 
Same here, Mysogonist. I'm not too upset, since I still get awesome frame rates at 1280x1024 in pretty much everything I play, but it is annoying.
 
Well you can always snag a person willing to sell one on the FST forums.
 
Yea, thats why there are For Sale\Trading forums. I've seen a few 7800GTXs below $300, which is where they should be. I can only shake my head at people asking $300+
 
How cheap did you expect to be able to get the 2nd card? Are you talking about 7800GT or GTX?
 
GTX
I thought that the 7800gtx would be priced the same as the 7900GT at about $299.
 
Mysogonist said:
GTX
I thought that the 7800gtx would be priced the same as the 7900GT at about $299.
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That's not too much to ask for. I bet you can get one here in the forums or on ebay for that price. Make sure to buy one from a reputable buyer. No hardmods or anything. Go to the FS/FT forums here. Post a thread WTB 7800GTX w lifetime warranty. You should get some hits.
 
The 7800 GTX is a 24 pipe design like the 7900 series. It also has pretty similar performance. I wouldn't not expect the price to come down very much.
 
Well I'll get alot of I told you so here......but what is really annoying is that now the 7900GT is about 300 bucks and is essentially a 7800GTX in disguise. My 7800 GTXs cost me about 500 bucks each as the year 2005 went along. Now I'm certainly not complaining about what I have.....I love the cards and they run everything beautifully.

Its just a bit of a disappointment. Damn crystal ball needs to go back to the shop.
 
I only consider SLI an upgrade option. How-ever I don't even consider it that, because whats the point of laying out severial hundreds dollars for a card and a sli motherboard and six months to a year later the price doesn't go down! I am a budget consumer so No thank you NVIDIA or ATI!
 
Despite the costs of the 7900 series, the 7800 series are on their last leg... Since the 7800's are still on the 110nm, their production cost is still much more than the 7900's... Which is why they are stopping production of the 7800's... I understand that people are upset about the upgrade path, but from the company's perspective... they are making way more money with the 7900's than the 7800's...
 
Nobody made you buy the card right before a new launch. It is nothing of nvidia fault.
 
Mysogonist is commenting on how SLI and Crossfire is a waste of money / retard because Nvidia/ATI don't reduce prices on older cards to match proformance against newer cards. So, SLI/Crossfire will never be a real upgrade option and only for the rich that have way to much money to waste on video cards.

This has been said by many, but because the "coolness factor" many still hype this technology. Wish they didn't come up with these dual gpu video cards. Its a waste of resources and time for both companies that could be better spend on drivers and better single video cards.
 
ClearM4 said:
Mysogonist is commenting on how SLI and Crossfire is a waste of money / retard because Nvidia/ATI don't reduce prices on older cards to match proformance against newer cards. So, SLI/Crossfire will never be a real upgrade option and only for the rich that have way to much money to waste on video cards.

This has been said by many, but because the "coolness factor" many still hype this technology. Wish they didn't come up with these dual gpu video cards. Its a waste of resources and time for both companies that could be better spend on drivers and better single video cards.
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It is in fact an upgrade as you are receiving more performance... You cannot expect a company to sell prodcuts at a lower price and lose money on them (other than microsoft with the xbox360, but they make up for it in games)... If it costs $375 to manufacture a 7800 (its not a true number just using it as reference) and they are selling below that cost, they would go bankrupt almost instantly... They can only lower prices of certain items so much before it becomes useless to manufacture... which is the case for the 7800 series.
 
ClearM4 said:
Mysogonist is commenting on how SLI and Crossfire is a waste of money / retard because Nvidia/ATI don't reduce prices on older cards to match proformance against newer cards. So, SLI/Crossfire will never be a real upgrade option and only for the rich that have way to much money to waste on video cards.

This has been said by many, but because the "coolness factor" many still hype this technology. Wish they didn't come up with these dual gpu video cards. Its a waste of resources and time for both companies that could be better spend on drivers and better single video cards.
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I have to argue a bit about this statement. Yes, to some they may feel they got screwed by the card makers because of the switch to 90nm chips.....but unfortunately no one knew this and we all felt that SLI would be an excellent alternative to constantly buying the latest and greatest thing.

Right now, today it seems foolish, but the refresh cycle seems to have really taken off lately, with new cards everytime one turns around. Its hard to keep track of.

I will never consider it a mistake to have chosen SLI. I can still run very excellent resolutions and graphic settings that one 7800GTX alone could not peform. I'm not sure that one 7900GTX could over-whelm my SLI setup at present, but that's really subjective.
Its a matter of buying one 7800GTX at the time, and then turning around today and replacing it with one 7900GTX......no difference in cash outlay.(compared to SLI 7800GTX)
There's absolutely no getting around the fact that two graphics cards can outperform one (of the same vintage). Quad cards.....that's getting a bit ridiculous.

I'm waiting for the G80 cards, but I'll definately consider SLI with that feature set, no doubt. At this point my SLI setup is performing very well. I have exactly what I want and got to "skip" the 7900 series altogether. I like cutting edge stuff, and I'm not going to apologize about it or feel like some snob.......to me it seems a very good choice. :D
 
ClearM4 said:
Mysogonist is commenting on how SLI and Crossfire is a waste of money / retard because Nvidia/ATI don't reduce prices on older cards to match proformance against newer cards. So, SLI/Crossfire will never be a real upgrade option and only for the rich that have way to much money to waste on video cards.

This has been said by many, but because the "coolness factor" many still hype this technology. Wish they didn't come up with these dual gpu video cards. Its a waste of resources and time for both companies that could be better spend on drivers and better single video cards.
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Iam in the same boat with you. I also believe that this whole dual GPU thing is slowing down the industrys innovation. Also I don´t see SLI as upgrade path either, the technology goes ahead too fast (even with dual crap slowing it down) for it to resonable solution to many.

Without all the Dual GPU hassle I think we would be one step closer to adopting that Ageia physics stuff into 3D cards or something like that. Well what do I know, Iam standing here with lighted match, you can throw in the gas now :D
 
The 7800's will come down in the secondary market as they're now not a real fast card. That being said, I have no sympathy for someone who is willing to spend $150 for a motherboard, about the same for a SLI PSU and then $500 to SLI a system and in the end the quality of what they play is tied not to framerates, but to the gameplay done by the developers of their $50 game. The people who are willing to spend $600 on a new card are the reason why things cost so much for the rest of us.
 
general said:
The 7800's will come down in the secondary market as they're now not a real fast card. That being said, I have no sympathy for someone who is willing to spend $150 for a motherboard, about the same for a SLI PSU and then $500 to SLI a system and in the end the quality of what they play is tied not to framerates, but to the gameplay done by the developers of their $50 game. The people who are willing to spend $600 on a new card are the reason why things cost so much for the rest of us.
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And the EXACT SAME thing can be said for those who pay way too much for a high end automobile that is overpriced so many times over it's ludicrous. But guess what? People still buy them! There is always going to be a market for those who want the "best" item money can afford, be it a house, car, computer/part, etc, or those who want it FIRST on the block for bragging rights, or e-penis swinging to paraphrase the [H]ard guys here. It's human nature, I don't think that boycotting the sale of overpriced items is going to change that...
 
I just went to new egg and looked at the 7800GTX 256 flavors. The eVGA 7800GTX KO is in stock, clocked at 470MHz and is down to 434, which is a good 120 dollars cheaper than when it was first released. Some went for 599 if I remember correctly.

Now that aint 300 bucks, but the drop is about 25% over release, plus eVGA sells good stuff. Take a look see. :eek:
 
Well lets continue the I told you so...

This is the nature of video cards, the prices will never drop on reputable vendors, because the cards are no longer in production.

If you want to SLi you have to buy both at the same time, or don't plain to Sli at all. Its been proven two generations in a row, and this trend will continue.
 
UltimaParadox said:
Well lets continue the I told you so...

This is the nature of video cards, the prices will never drop on reputable vendors, because the cards are no longer in production.

If you want to SLi you have to buy both at the same time, or don't plain to Sli at all. Its been proven two generations in a row, and this trend will continue.
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Agreed!!
 
I am kind of over it. I have been having more fun on colsoles anyway...and with greatest hits titles always coming out for $20, there is no reason now a days not to stay a generation behind on titles and save some $$$.
 
UltimaParadox said:
Well lets continue the I told you so...

This is the nature of video cards, the prices will never drop on reputable vendors, because the cards are no longer in production.

If you want to SLi you have to buy both at the same time, or don't plain to Sli at all. Its been proven two generations in a row, and this trend will continue.
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I think you're wrong sir. Look at my post just above yours. That eVGA card has come down nearly 200 dollars, and its a real good card. They are not going to give them away, but in this case the 7800GTX KO is selling for 400 dollars, about the same price and performance as the 7900GT......and someone who bought their first 7800GTX 256 could now buy their second card and SLI with a 25% savings over their initial outlay. I dont think you have to buy both at the same time, yes it could be a good idea as sometimes availability may become an issue, but the 7800 series has been more than ample at stable prices for over 6 months now.
AND you can easily pick up any 6800 or 6600 series card to SLI yet today at very reasonable prices......those cards are still produced in large numbers.
 
Used is the best option. 7800s were being phased out well, so there isn't a lot of new ones that need to be unloaded with heavy discounts.
 
I you get SLI/Crossfire for a good upgrade path you have been truly misleaded.

Despite what they might say, it is best used for those looking for performance greater than one card is capable of.
 
Hell one lucky bastard got my KO for 285 on ebay.I am an honorable man, I was too busy to notice my title sucked so I had limited hits, This guy benfited and I honored the bid. Shit happens. I have no regrets. My shiny new 7900 GTX is smoooooooooooooookin
 
I disagree that SLI is a bad upgraade path. I say you just have to watch the price fluctuations closely and know who is likely to have a "good" price in the first place. I got my first 7800gt the week they came out for ~$350. I just picked up a second one 3 weeks ago for ~$245, knowing full well that the release of 7900's was iminent. I figured that was why such a good price on the 7800gt's. And I figured (correctly) that they would go back up and hang out in the ~$285 range. Sure I wish I had 7900's instead just for the "current hi end factor" but that doesn't out weigh my laziness. Its a pain in the ass to sell these and repurchase new cards and then go through the whole install process when I already have an excessive frame rate with room to grow. And at this point in time there is no other thing I could get for $245 that would offer such a large increase in performance.
 
Just have to do it with one of the big jump, won't be repeated for a bit, jumps. :)

I bought my GTX256 for $490 last june and enjoyed every minute of it until I sold it a month or two ago. Now I can get one on the forums for like $270 for SLI? Remember the $490 from last june is spilt milk. I had a blast with my card. These two nV "refreshes" will be absolutely creamed by SLI GTX256. I sold mine for $380 to upgrade to an x1900XT for $120 more. Could have spent the extra $150 for SLI'd GTX256's which no flagship touches. Granted with a $700 GTX512 none of this would have fallen into place for me. But it does here and there. I don't give two shits about retail availability though. Trade on the forums for a little bit and you'll quickly realize you'd be a total screwtard to worry. People who are worried the supply of what they want will soon dry up are the first people to get hosed. I got some swamp... I mean prime real estate for sale if you think otherwise.
 
magoo said:
I think you're wrong sir. Look at my post just above yours. That eVGA card has come down nearly 200 dollars, and its a real good card. They are not going to give them away, but in this case the 7800GTX KO is selling for 400 dollars, about the same price and performance as the 7900GT......and someone who bought their first 7800GTX 256 could now buy their second card and SLI with a 25% savings over their initial outlay. I dont think you have to buy both at the same time, yes it could be a good idea as sometimes availability may become an issue, but the 7800 series has been more than ample at stable prices for over 6 months now.
AND you can easily pick up any 6800 or 6600 series card to SLI yet today at very reasonable prices......those cards are still produced in large numbers.
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You are joking right, buying a 6800 or 6600 for SLi right now might be the biggest waste of money you can do right now..

Granted if you can find a 6800 Ultra in stock, but our local NewEgg has a grand total of 1 type of card in stock and it goes for 250dollars, complete waste of money when a 7900GT is 300 and is fast as two 6800 Ultras.

While the 6600GT is still at ample stock, what is the point, if you already own a 6600GT there is no point in putting money into another card, since a 7800GTX and 7800GT are as fast as 6800 Ultras in Sli and are not that much more expensive.

And a 7800GTX still runs you 409 hundred dollars (Lowest price on NewEgg), 100 dollars more for a little less performance of a 7900GT! Even though a reputable brand still runs 450 - 500 dollars easy

Why even bother with it, when its 300 dollars for a 7900GT, and its quieter, cooler, and uses less power. Heck on the money you saved alone for not buying the second 7800GTX you are halfway to a second 7900GT.

7800GT still runs around 300 dollars, a little less than 7900GT, but its availability is dwindling.

Don't throw in buy one used, as a lot of people will not go through the trouble, and the lack of warranty
 
UltimaParadox said:
You are joking right, buying a 6800 or 6600 for SLi right now might be the biggest waste of money you can do right now..

Granted if you can find a 6800 Ultra in stock, but our local NewEgg has a grand total of 1 type of card in stock and it goes for 250dollars, complete waste of money when a 7900GT is 300 and is fast as two 6800 Ultras.

While the 6600GT is still at ample stock, what is the point, if you already own a 6600GT there is no point in putting money into another card, since a 7800GTX and 7800GT are as fast as 6800 Ultras in Sli and are not that much more expensive.

And a 7800GTX still runs you 409 hundred dollars (Lowest price on NewEgg), 100 dollars more for a little less performance of a 7900GT! Even though a reputable brand still runs 450 - 500 dollars easy

Why even bother with it, when its 300 dollars for a 7900GT, and its quieter, cooler, and uses less power. Heck on the money you saved alone for not buying the second 7800GTX you are halfway to a second 7900GT.

7800GT still runs around 300 dollars, a little less than 7900GT, but its availability is dwindling.

Don't throw in buy one used, as a lot of people will not go through the trouble, and the lack of warranty
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No I am not joking at all.
I am not certain, but I think my 7800GTX SLI can kick a single 7900 card or at least keep up easily.
I think you said that all the "other" "lesser" cards are gone from production.....the 6600 example was to make a point that there are plenty of good cards out there to SLI that are going to give excellent performance(not top of the line granted).
I think we'll all agree that you cant look forward and try to guess what or when the new cards will come out, but you'll agree that at present there are good 7800GTX cards available if someone already has room to SLI. The performance gain of the second card leaves plenty of room, allows high resolution graphics and in my opinion a reasonable price for performance.
If I had not already purchased the 7800GTX series I would SLI the 7900 series, probably the GT version for three reasons: the price is great, the single slot would be the same as my 7800s, and the performance may be just a notch better.
By the way....my 7800s run nice and cool on air.
I dont think I could fit two 7900GTXs in my ASUS MB and still have room for the X-Fi card, but I could be wrong.
I think my main point here is.....no one knows when the next cards are coming....you can pretty much always buy a second card of what you already have, SLI and enjoy the added performance for a good length of time. I agree with your argument based soley on price as you stated.....but I think that if you already have a 7800 series card and can SLI, the performance and longevity of that combination will overcome the price break of a single 7900 card or even two 7900 cards, leaving you skipping this refresh and ready or not for the DX10 generation.....but thats another discussion. :D
 
Yes, you could easily fit two 7900GTX's and still fit an X-fi sound card in perfectly.

Also, I think the lesson to learn from this thread is:

If you want top performance, you will pay the price.

If you don't wish to pay for SLi, then don't bitch about it and don't bitch AT those who chose to use it.

You will pay the price for staying on the cutting edge. It's a fact of life. :p
 
AppaYipYip said:
Yes, you could easily fit two 7900GTX's and still fit an X-fi sound card in perfectly.

Also, I think the lesson to learn from this thread is:

If you want top performance, you will pay the price.

If you don't wish to pay for SLi, then don't bitch about it and don't bitch AT those who chose to use it.

You will pay the price for staying on the cutting edge. It's a fact of life. :p
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I think no one would argue either of those points. The problem here is that nVidia clearly was stating that SLi was a cost effective upgrade path which has proven to be completely untrue. Now no one should find this tactic surprising, it's what NV needs to do to generate revenue to make their shareholders happy and so on and so forth. I do feel upset however that they did not drop prices even more on the remaining 7800 GTXs. It is clear that the 7900 series is the price/performance leader where a 7900GT is as fast as a 7800GTX and it costs less to produce. The fact is that no one will be looking at 7800GTX cards as new-top of the line cards for their uber-rigs. The remaining stock is being sold to those people who already have 1, and now want to upgrade. NV it seems would rather force you to jump to the 7900 series rather than upgrade the 7800 series. When I say force, I mean from a cost perspective. It's not bad business...it's just unnecessarily greedy.

The take away here is that should I should NOT get a 7900GT and upgrade, because it will not be worth it for me by the time the 8800 series comes out.

Anyway...lates.I have some beers to drink!
 
I've never seen a single advertisement that stated "Sli is a cost effective upgrade path!" In fact I've never seen nVidia say it would be cost effective at all.

I HAVE seen them state that it provides the best performance and most realistic graphics experience (in relation to certain games). Which is clearly true.

I would never claim any peice of computer hardware is cost effective, since in a few years all of it is worth 1/4 or less of the price paid today. :)
 
Please also remember that nVidia doesnt sell graphics cards. The partners are the ones who set the prices and the resellers are guided by what the marketplace will tolerate.

Try to find a 7900 series card right now. They're scarce. Once the production and shipping catch up in a week or two, I'll wager the 7800s will start to drop like rocks.

I like what the guy above me said. Please dont complain to me because you didnt choose to SLI. I'm not going to sit here and whine because the cards are expensive. I have exactly what I want from my set-up. High resolution performance. I'm not asking you to use it. Maybe you never even considered it. By the latest Steam survey only 2200 out of all those surveyed used an SLI setup.....I think the total response was over 300,000 but I could be way off. At any rate the number of users of SLI was very small, so I dont think anyone is getting fat from SLI sales. :eek:
 
magoo said:
I like what the guy above me said. Please dont complain to me because you didnt choose to SLI. I'm not going to sit here and whine because the cards are expensive. I have exactly what I want from my set-up. High resolution performance. I'm not asking you to use it. Maybe you never even considered it. By the latest Steam survey only 2200 out of all those surveyed used an SLI setup.....I think the total response was over 300,000 but I could be way off. At any rate the number of users of SLI was very small, so I dont think anyone is getting fat from SLI sales. :eek:
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AMEN! :p
 
Mysogonist said:
So I took the plunge when the 7800GTX came out and picked up one waiting for the 7900 to come out and knock down prices so that I could upgrade. The problem is that he 7800s are still high in price despite the fact that NO ONE will pick one up in light of the 7900 launch. It makes me mad because it really hurts the 'upgrade path' selling point. It is clear to me that Nvidia intends you to purchse 2 at a time, and not one now and one later.
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There is no way to know what the future holds for card pricing. I don't know why I keep seeing statements about waiting for a card's price to drop so you can pick it up cheap. Especially in reference to SLI. The fact is the Radeon 9800XT's still went for a huge price premium well after the launch of the 6800 and X800 series cards. Even though the mid range offerings were on par if not superior to the champion of old.

Most likely some rebate will hit soon or some company like Newegg will blow out their remaining stock of 7800GTX 256MB cards soon just to get rid of them. I do believe they are discontinued. The 7900GT replaces them as it performs the same and is cheaper to manufacture.
 
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