Apparently Nvidia has almost completed the port of the PHYSX api to CUDA. In apparent response to the "Intel Gauntlet", they ran a version of the particle demo recently demo'd on Nehalem at approximately 10x the speed.
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Nvidia implementation of CUDA almost complete
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I don't like it, I don't think I have any GPU cycles on even my 8800GTS as it is. Need everything I can for pixels and graphics...
Now if I could throw a $26 8400GS card in my system and use it as a PPU instead of a second GPU... and get huge physics performance gains... then I'd be all for it.
Now if I could throw a $26 8400GS card in my system and use it as a PPU instead of a second GPU... and get huge physics performance gains... then I'd be all for it.
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Agreed.
Reading Theo on THG is just as bad as it at was at theinq. :barf:
bit-tech had coverage here: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/04/14/nvidia_analyst_day_-_biting_back_at_intel/5
bit-tech had coverage here: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/04/14/nvidia_analyst_day_-_biting_back_at_intel/5
Hopefully CUDA PhysX gets rounds of performance improvements through updates, instead of being used to push higher end hardware, and has flexibility in choosing from secondary cards installed.
Think of it like this. We all use anti aliasing. But there was a time when it took a huge performance hit. But today we can do AA with little performance hit or so small it dont matter. Graphics cards are so fast we just take AA for granted.
This is how I see PhysX. It'll take a performance hit but as cards get faster the performance hit wont matter anyway cause your games will be running at more than playable frame rates anyway. So in the beggining people will complain of the performance hit till Nvidia cards get so fast that the peformance hit is so small we'll take it for granted like AA.
This is how I see PhysX. It'll take a performance hit but as cards get faster the performance hit wont matter anyway cause your games will be running at more than playable frame rates anyway. So in the beggining people will complain of the performance hit till Nvidia cards get so fast that the peformance hit is so small we'll take it for granted like AA.
agreed.
an 8600GT would be fantastic in a Sugo03 case + Gigabyte G33 board as a CUDA Physx card.
Yeah you're right he should have said 300fps minus the 20fps provided by the cpu.
280fps is so much closer to 20fps than 300fps, damn biased journalists!
Not my point, try running without the CPU.
0 FPS < 20 FPS...
No need to tell me that, since I own a PPU, I know how much the current CPU's sucks at Graphics/Physics.
But based on what I have picked up so far NVIDIA is in a thight spot.
AMD has a platform (CPU, Chipset, GPU)
Intel has has a platform (CPU, Chipset, GPU(and Larrabee comming))
NVIDIA has 2/3 platform (Chipset/GPU)
Unless NVIDIA get a DECENT CPU, they will be banned to a sideline with Intel as the big boy and AMD trying to push NVIDA out.
Looking at the big picture, Intel is on a mission...AMD kicked them in the balls, but now they are fully awake and as I can see it they are the only ones with enough money, fabs, R&D ect to do the "full monthy" in a timely manner.
When ever I hear NVIDIA bark, i sense fear in their barking...
Just stumbled over this:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2283081,00.asp
Link to thread on Beyond3D:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=47543
No wonder NVIDIA is starting to yell out...
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2283081,00.asp
Link to thread on Beyond3D:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=47543
No wonder NVIDIA is starting to yell out...
Methink Intel wants more chipset coverage, that is where nvidia is working very hard, the nForce series have been very popular so far.
As for onboard gpu...There is always the Hybrid thingy under Vista which nvidia is pushing, I don't see Intel competiting for gaming market, that segment is shrinking anyway in favor of console these days.Not gonna start an argument which one is better, but fact remains Intel wants chipset and onboard supremacy, they're not aiming at high end 3D onboard.
Look at it this way, how the hell can you redo the whole computer architecture without breaking the OS and API, just take a look at how hard it was for a small company to even "add" a new API to the mix like Ageia did with the PPU, and thats not remotely close to rebuilding a computer architecture.
Computer architecture branching is something we saw in the 80's because there was no unified OS, yeah i hate to say it, but Winblows kinda ruined it, M$ owns the platform market therefore it indirectly dictate how it's gonna happen.
Let's say tomorrow morning a company comes into play with this awesome computer without any legacy background, built ground up with new technologies, with theorical breakthrough performance, but the damn thing doesn't run on windows and the unit price is 3 times the price of your average PC because of steep developement cost although the performance is twice your current high end system...
It just gonna fail or find a niche market... SGI, SUN, Amiga... you get the picture.
As for onboard gpu...There is always the Hybrid thingy under Vista which nvidia is pushing, I don't see Intel competiting for gaming market, that segment is shrinking anyway in favor of console these days.Not gonna start an argument which one is better, but fact remains Intel wants chipset and onboard supremacy, they're not aiming at high end 3D onboard.
Look at it this way, how the hell can you redo the whole computer architecture without breaking the OS and API, just take a look at how hard it was for a small company to even "add" a new API to the mix like Ageia did with the PPU, and thats not remotely close to rebuilding a computer architecture.
Computer architecture branching is something we saw in the 80's because there was no unified OS, yeah i hate to say it, but Winblows kinda ruined it, M$ owns the platform market therefore it indirectly dictate how it's gonna happen.
Let's say tomorrow morning a company comes into play with this awesome computer without any legacy background, built ground up with new technologies, with theorical breakthrough performance, but the damn thing doesn't run on windows and the unit price is 3 times the price of your average PC because of steep developement cost although the performance is twice your current high end system...
It just gonna fail or find a niche market... SGI, SUN, Amiga... you get the picture.
Nehalem does make the chipset less important, and besides if yiou want the best, most table chipset for your intel CPU, you go with an chipset made by Intel..ask around...hell ask Dan?
Dumping the GPU, and going multi core will make PC gaming more widespread.
Even Tim Sweeny see the GPU as a temporay solution to something tha is really a CPU problem.
It's runnig today...slow, but still running...no need to paint a false picture..all we need now is soemthing like the Teracale CPU..multiple cores galore...
Red Herring...you can run DX on the CPU today...no need for a change..why do you think NVIDIA is whining?
(Hint: they don't have a CPU)
Let's say tomorrow morning a company comes into play with this awesome computer without any legacy background, built ground up with new technologies, with theorical breakthrough performance, but the damn thing doesn't run on windows and the unit price is 3 times the price of your average PC because of steep developement cost although the performance is twice your current high end system...
It just gonna fail or find a niche market... SGI, SUN, Amiga... you get the picture.[/quote]
Ok... so next year 18 April 2009 you post back here with a computer that has nothing but a CPU, a motherboard w/o chipset-souncard-gpu.
As for the rest of your reply, please take no offense but I have no clue what you're trying to say.So I don't see this discussion going any further in a constructive way.Ciao.
As for the rest of your reply, please take no offense but I have no clue what you're trying to say.So I don't see this discussion going any further in a constructive way.Ciao.
This is what I was saying, don't play stupid;:
http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MzE4NTQsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE=
Subscribed so I can see this in a year.
have fun upgrading that combo..
Didn't think I needed to adress this fallcy, but it seems i have to.
Inventing goals, shifting the goal post and setting a deadliine of the the thin blue air that has nothing to do with what I said is a fallacy of magnetiudes, please refrain from doing that or assuming that I will humor your fallcy.
You wanna see his fallacy in a year?
No. I want to see how this off-topic pissing contest turns out.