I strictly play racing simulations. I've always used nVidia for all my gaming needs but I'm finding that the image quality sucks bad. The track lines and curbs always appear aliased and jagged, even with tons of AA and AF. Speaking of AA, nVidia's implementation sucks. Will nVidia ever do something about this?
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nVidia Image Quality Questions
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from any , or any reliable review ATI still has better AA anf AF implementation that NVIDIA does.
Or was it ATI has better AA and Nvidia had better AF....
Or was it ATI has better AA and Nvidia had better AF....
nuggetz said:
How long till ATi fanzies stop trollin?
Seriously, if you are having real poor image quality, it's more likely to software settings and whatnot than the card itself. Outside the ability to do AA+HDR, ATI and nVIDIA in the reviews have neck-n-neck image quality.
As to the AA+HDR, this is also dependant on how it's implemented.
Why not post what card you have, the driver revision and how you have it all configured. Also what game "specifically" are you having the issues with.
You'll find that there are a lot of individuals ready to assist, provided you don't open with a title that is ban bait.
What card do you have, what AF/AA settings are you using and which game(s) in particular are you having IQ problems with?
I play games with Trilinear optimization and Anisotropic Sample optimization off in advanced settings in the control panel:
With 4xAA (and TRMS) and 16xAF enabled, I have no complaints about the IQ in any games I play. 2xAA, lower AF settings and/or leaving the default optimizations on will look worse of course. It's hard to give any advice to you because I don't know 1) what card you have and 2) in what resolution(s) you play. On a decently fast 7 series card, you should be able to pretty much max out many games with the settings I use, which look good.
I play games with Trilinear optimization and Anisotropic Sample optimization off in advanced settings in the control panel:
With 4xAA (and TRMS) and 16xAF enabled, I have no complaints about the IQ in any games I play. 2xAA, lower AF settings and/or leaving the default optimizations on will look worse of course. It's hard to give any advice to you because I don't know 1) what card you have and 2) in what resolution(s) you play. On a decently fast 7 series card, you should be able to pretty much max out many games with the settings I use, which look good.
If you're playing some older racing sims, you might try 8xSAA. There's simply nothing better at killing off jaggies of all types than supersampling. If not, or you don't have the performance for 8xSAA, you might want to make sure antialiasing is actually working. You can post some shots here and we can tell you exactly what's happening.
I'm not sure what the OP means about AA implementation. nVidia has the upper hand in terms of getting these features working correctly in games - you can force antialiasing with nVidia cards, which is simply not possible with ATi cards (that I'm aware of), and can cause some real issues with games that don't like playing nicely.
I'm not sure what the OP means about AA implementation. nVidia has the upper hand in terms of getting these features working correctly in games - you can force antialiasing with nVidia cards, which is simply not possible with ATi cards (that I'm aware of), and can cause some real issues with games that don't like playing nicely.
its noticable that ATi's 2xAA is leaps better then Nv's 2xAA, both have great transperancy modes, boths normal AF are pretty much even, although the [H] thinks that ATi's has less of a problem then Nvidia, ATi also has HQ AF (angle independant)
honestly Nv's IQ doesn't suck, it just lacks features compared to ATi, when comparing 2xAA its hard to show the differences, well its really hard to see 2xAA to begin with, i'd say ATi is definetly in the lead, but you would REALLY have to nitpick to really make it justifiable in any kind of argument
honestly Nv's IQ doesn't suck, it just lacks features compared to ATi, when comparing 2xAA its hard to show the differences, well its really hard to see 2xAA to begin with, i'd say ATi is definetly in the lead, but you would REALLY have to nitpick to really make it justifiable in any kind of argument
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like phide said, try 8xS if you can handle the framerate drop - that gets rid of 99% of jaggies
nvidia's AF quality does suck, but their AA is superior to ATI's IMO
nvidia's AF quality does suck, but their AA is superior to ATI's IMO
I found one of his old threads, actually about the same thing her posted here: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1011708 . He has a 6800nu 128MB card. He probably can't run 8xS AA acceptably unless it's an ancient game.
HighTest said:How long till ATi fanzies stop trollin?
Seriously, if you are having real poor image quality, it's more likely to software settings and whatnot than the card itself. Outside the ability to do AA+HDR, ATI and nVIDIA in the reviews have neck-n-neck image quality.
As to the AA+HDR, this is also dependant on how it's implemented.
Why not post what card you have, the driver revision and how you have it all configured. Also what game "specifically" are you having the issues with.
You'll find that there are a lot of individuals ready to assist, provided you don't open with a title that is ban bait.
I went from nvidia to ATi to nvidia to ATi. I can tell you there is only one way to get IQ up to ATi quality with nvidia, and that is to set -2 lod bias. This causes extreme flicker when high levels of AA are used, so there is still a trade off.
The only way nvidia will fix the flickering with AA is to change their AF to angle independant.
I just don't think that will happen any time soon.
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hmmm
I would like a review to compare the IQ of an X850/800 Series card to an X1800/1900 7800/7900
I noticed in one mmo in particular that the IQ on teh X850 destroys both the x1900 and the 7900 which are now alot closer then when the X850 was around for ATI
I would like a review to compare the IQ of an X850/800 Series card to an X1800/1900 7800/7900
I noticed in one mmo in particular that the IQ on teh X850 destroys both the x1900 and the 7900 which are now alot closer then when the X850 was around for ATI
Having owned a 6600gt, 6800gt, x800xt and a x1800xl. The IQ is better on ATI. I've done side by side comparisons and ATI always had the edge (Angle independent AF is very good). I have no preference to card manufacturers, but you really should do a comparison if you get a chance.
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The X1900 is better than the 7x00 by far and better than the X8x0 by less. Both ATi's start the same but you can keep going up on settings with the X1900 and maintain smoothness that an X8x0 series can not (in frame rate).
Yes, I have both, and have had the nvidia.
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BBA said:
Well I've had 7800gt 7800gtx x800xt x850xt x850xt pe x800gto x1800xt x1900xtx
also had a 6800GT for a few days and a 6600GT just recently
and so far the X850XT / X800XT / X800GTO have best IQ other then HQ AF on the X1900s,
the image is just sharper on the X800GTO / X850XT PE I've had the GTO side by side with the 1800/1900 and thats when i noticed the drop in IQ ^^ playing the same game on 2 pcs in th same part of same map =p
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heatlesssun said:
Well it could turn into a decent dicussion, I noticed for me anyways in lineage 2(Runs off of UT2k5 Engine) that the game clealry looks sharper on the X800/X850 series over the 6800/x1800/x1900/7800 series of cards this could be interesting because if its true then ATI Sacrificed some IQ for speed
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It is generally agreed that ATI image quality, especially is in the current generation of cards X1900 vs 79xx is better.
When I built this sig rig, I really wanted to go the ATI, but CrossFire wasn't really in a good state at the end of last year. It's gotten better, but already being on an nForce 4 SLI, I just wasn't going to bother.
I see these debates about image quality, and the last ATI product I had was a 9800XT, which was clearly the best card in terms of performance and IQ at the end of 2003.
As things stand now, nVidia simply has more horsepower in there solutions, now with QUAD-SLI on the horizon, and in games were it works, hi-res gaming is going to a new level.
So at the end of the day, ATI has some IQ advantages, that to be honest are nice, but to me, as fast smooth running game at high resolutions and all the eye candy (yes ATI can do HDR and AA in some situations where nVidia can't) is want I prefer.
So to simply say "nVidia IQ sucks" has little value. Just like saying "ATI performance sucks".
When I built this sig rig, I really wanted to go the ATI, but CrossFire wasn't really in a good state at the end of last year. It's gotten better, but already being on an nForce 4 SLI, I just wasn't going to bother.
I see these debates about image quality, and the last ATI product I had was a 9800XT, which was clearly the best card in terms of performance and IQ at the end of 2003.
As things stand now, nVidia simply has more horsepower in there solutions, now with QUAD-SLI on the horizon, and in games were it works, hi-res gaming is going to a new level.
So at the end of the day, ATI has some IQ advantages, that to be honest are nice, but to me, as fast smooth running game at high resolutions and all the eye candy (yes ATI can do HDR and AA in some situations where nVidia can't) is want I prefer.
So to simply say "nVidia IQ sucks" has little value. Just like saying "ATI performance sucks".
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heatlesssun said:
QFT, notice he has yet to answer what card he's using. I think your right and OP if I'm wrong as well pardon me too. It's just that your thread seems like flame bait. Both Geforce 7 and ATI X1k series cards have enough AA to make any game look great. Neither Suck I don't care how you look at it. ATi has slightly better aa and af.
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None of the OP's threads have turned into any sort of flamefests. Until such time they turn that way, I'd suggest that you guys use the report post button when something shows up instead of calling for in-thread bans.
As for the course of discussion in this thread, there has been some quality posting, which incline me to let it continue as long as it remains on point, and with a minor title edit.
As for the course of discussion in this thread, there has been some quality posting, which incline me to let it continue as long as it remains on point, and with a minor title edit.
In the image below, you can see 2x AA from ATI on the left, 2X AA(Gamma) Nvidia on the right.|H| said:
The only differences I could notice are numbered. 1 & 2 blend better with the sky with Nvidia, providing slightly less jaggies. 3 blends better with ATI. None are significant differences. ATI has better AF @ angles, which is very good. ATI also has AA+HDR, but that is also insignificant (Monitors hardly display HDR, I think it is just a bright foggy blur ATM)
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p[H]ant0m said:
Thanks for changing the thread name.
cyks said:In the image below, you can see 2x AA from ATI on the left, 2X AA(Gamma) Nvidia on the right.
The only differences I could notice are numbered. 1 & 2 blend better with the sky with Nvidia, providing slightly less jaggies. 3 blends better with ATI. None are significant differences. ATI has better AF @ angles, which is very good. ATI also has AA+HDR, but that is also insignificant (Monitors hardly display HDR, I think it is just a bright foggy blur ATM)
If we have to go down to 300% to spot differences, then I think the point is a moot one
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That's probably because this guy was just trying to start a flame.
This issue has been long debated, and currently most people agree that ATI has better image quality. If this guy didn't like the image quaility he was getting, yes he would be really trying to get some answers or a new card.
Over the years I've seen people debate this issue, I can honestly say that my eyes must not be that good, because I have to study a picture usually to see what they are talking about, so to me, IQ is an issue of perception that I usually don't notice.
This issue has been long debated, and currently most people agree that ATI has better image quality. If this guy didn't like the image quaility he was getting, yes he would be really trying to get some answers or a new card.
Over the years I've seen people debate this issue, I can honestly say that my eyes must not be that good, because I have to study a picture usually to see what they are talking about, so to me, IQ is an issue of perception that I usually don't notice.