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Nvidia and AMD preparing mining only cards

They would still use up GPU stock to sell these boards, so I have my doubts to how much these would affect supply.
 
Maybe they would be more energy efficient I seen someone on ebay selling Crypto currency rigs.
Granted the cards are not used for Graphics just to Mine data so maybe they could make them more efficient somehow.
 
Comixbooks said:
Maybe they would be more energy efficient I seen someone on ebay selling Crypto currency rigs.
Granted the cards are not used for Graphics just to Mine data so maybe they could make them more efficient somehow.
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They are not going to be more energy efficient or mining efficient than an equally fully working card would be.
 
Shintai said:
They are not going to be more energy efficient or mining efficient than an equally fully working card would be.
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The source said "redesigned" with no outputs. Not possible at all to be more efficient? I wouldn't be so sure with those absolutes
 
Shintai said:
They are not going to be more energy efficient or mining efficient than an equally fully working card would be.
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They could be, the TMU's and ROP's can be shut down. But these cards if they make them will have crap resale value.
 
razor1 said:
They could be, the TMU's and ROP's can be shut down. But these cards if they make them will have crap resale value.
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You cant shutdown those parts.

the cards will have crap resale value anyway, because they dont contain any connectors. They cant be used for displaying images.

Who is going to save 50$ or less on a card you essentially cant resell.
 
well if they are 50% less I would go for them cause that will cover the loss of selling a second item. But I doubt that will happen.

I think they might be able to shut them down, they are decoupled from the CU's.
 
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What if they used 30% less power? Ram timings are better? So you don't need to bios edit? etc. etc?
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If they are 50% cheaper and 50% faster then MAYBE (and that's a big maybe).
Power consumption is not an issue for me. But what am I going with a bunch of cards that are useless once they are outdated? Sure, they will pay themselves back, but I'm a hardware nerd and these cards are abominations!

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thebufenator said:
I guess the Stilt's modded bios's that actually cut down ROP's on the 290's were wrong then eh?

Certainly made a difference on power consumption/mining performance.
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ROPs are tied to the memory with Nvidia. TMUs are used for compute.

Different coins uses different methods as well. So whatever works for one type may not work for another.

What you as a home user does and what an AIB can do is quite the difference. Same includes undervolting and so on.
 
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So when you say, "You cant shutdown those parts.", there are caveats?

Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't always be talking with absolutes.
 
Will these even come through AIB's or will AMD/NVidia be supplying these direct? I don't think it's a bad idea. It let's the MFG's use parts which might not otherwise be able to make it to market, and it can help relieve the pressure on the market for cards that actual gamers want to buy. If people want to buy them, then let them be sold.
 
CombatChrisNC said:
Will these even come through AIB's or will AMD/NVidia be supplying these direct? I don't think it's a bad idea. It let's the MFG's use parts which might not otherwise be able to make it to market, and it can help relieve the pressure on the market for cards that actual gamers want to buy. If people want to buy them, then let them be sold.
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Mining isn't the reason why cards are missing. For AMD it's the change from Polaris 10/11 to 20/21. New batches of 500 series cards should hit the markets in 7-10 days.
 
Shintai said:
Mining isn't the reason why cards are missing. For AMD it's the change from Polaris 10/11 to 20/21. New batches of 500 series cards should hit the markets in 7-10 days.
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No, they are sold out :p even the 5xx cards are selling out right away. The new batches of 5xx cards that come in, they will also be sold out. Unless Ether takes a huge plunge.
 
it is so bad right now that even the r9 Fury stuff and all the way down to nvidia 970 are scarce or overpriced. i am only a mini miner (8 cards, 2 rigs) but even i would consider a few of these 'reject' cards for dedicated mining right now, and it would not have to be cheaper at all, it would just have to be in stock.
 
Shintai said:
Mining isn't the reason why cards are missing. For AMD it's the change from Polaris 10/11 to 20/21. New batches of 500 series cards should hit the markets in 7-10 days.
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Oh so that is why my 290x sold for 300 bucks, someone just needed it to tie them over while they wait 10 days for the 580's to come out. Man must be a ton of people waiting to buy those cards that needed a interm video card bad....
 
Gideon said:
Oh so that is why my 290x sold for 300 bucks, someone just needed it to tie them over while they wait 10 days for the 580's to come out. Man must be a ton of people waiting to buy those cards that needed a interm video card bad....
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Give Shintel/Shinvidia a break, he has to up his game to total nonsense when there is nothing else to troll with.
 
They could easily build a custom mining card with say three GPU's and lower latency but slower RAM per GPU, where each GPU had access to one or two PCIe lanes for communications. A Polaris based card like this could still sit under the 300W per slot spec and frankly no one using it would care if it didn't as long it made sense from an efficiency perspective. With advanced memory timing and voltage tweaking of said RAM, That would be a true value add.

But just blanking a regular graphics card? pffft.

My total load for card only on Polaris is around 110W per card. Pretty easy to tell when they're on their own PSU.
 
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Oh so that is why my 290x sold for 300 bucks, someone just needed it to tie them over while they wait 10 days for the 580's to come out. Man must be a ton of people waiting to buy those cards that needed a interm video card bad....
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Feel free to prove me wrong when Q2 results hit. Or will the excuse yet again be that AMD didn't make the money, only the retailers?
 
Shintai said:
Feel free to prove me wrong when Q2 results hit. Or will the excuse yet again be that AMD didn't make the money, only the retailers?
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If AMD didn't foresee a huge demand on their cards, and produced only 10 million cards, it sold 8.5 million to distributors, and had 1.5 million cards left, the extra 1.5 million sold for the quarter aren't going to make a huge impact.

It takes time to ramp up production , just because demand is high from mining now, it might not be in 3 months, they might not even increase production since there is significant risk for the price of ETH to come back down , and when demand goes down with it, AMD will be sitting on a lot of stock.
 
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A programmatic change could easily make a dedicated mining card obsolete and nearly worthless overnight, while a video card may not be the fastest but even if the mining suddenly becomes unprofitable on it the card can simply be used for its original purpose.

Why risk sitting on a bunch of useless/worthless hardware because someone came out with a new cryptocurrency when you can sell video cards for mining? If the floor falls out of that market you can recover at least some of your costs by selling them as cheap GPUs?

Mining-only cards only make sense if the GPU itself was for whatever reason defective enough to not display video (hence useless for its intended role) yet working enough to mine. That means they are recovering more costs associated with the bad wafers than they would selling off the silicon to be made into solar panels.
 
I'm interested but there has to be a compelling reason, such as better clocks for mining, better efficiency, price, etc.

However, the resale value would be less, so it may be a questionable proposition.
 
yeah they would definitely have to be cheap for miners to pick them up.

unless, nv + rtg think that mining is going to be the 'next big thing'

*shrug*
 
Drewis said:
yeah they would definitely have to be cheap for miners to pick them up.

unless, nv + rtg think that mining is going to be the 'next big thing'

*shrug*
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I really don't think the large scale use of consumer grade hardware for compute is going away... I mean CPU's have hung in there for a while and GPU's are just the new compute. The biggest things I've noted in new crypto is people get bitter when a currency is cornered by the whales and we're seeing the results of this at the moment.
 
So basically consumer Tesla and FirePro cards? Personally I don't see the point. Mining may be hot now, but I'm not sure whether it'll ever be sustainable.
 
Honestly.. Who knows...... I got into mining as a hobby and all I hear about are 'whales' 'pump, dump' etc........ IDK ..

But no, obviously large scale csm hardware is not going anywhere, if anything virtual currency and blockchains COULD be just the beginning.




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I really don't think the large scale use of consumer grade hardware for compute is going away... I mean CPU's have hung in there for a while and GPU's are just the new compute. The biggest things I've noted in new crypto is people get bitter when a currency is cornered by the whales and we're seeing the results of this at the moment.
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People were saying mining was dead 4 years ago, and I was a fool for listening. Look at the prices now.

I actually had $5 in Bitcoin someone sent me a few years back. Never did anything with it, checked last night at it was worth $28. Sure it's only $28 but the ROI would have been sick if I had invested.
 
Question is, what is the endgame?

cybereality said:
People were saying mining was dead 4 years ago, and I was a fool for listening. Look at the prices now.

I actually had $5 in Bitcoin someone sent me a few years back. Never did anything with it, checked last night at it was worth $28. Sure it's only $28 but the ROI would have been sick if I had invested.
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Drewis said:
Question is, what is the endgame?
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This mining thing looks hot. Not sure if it's overblown, but I want to give it a shot. Tried mining Ethereum last night, only made 7 cents, but I must have set it up wrong. There could be a LOT of money in this.
 
That's just silly. I mean, presumably you could probably readapt those for CUDA learning purposes, but really, it's pretty low value product.
 
Sweet! I will gladly buy some cheaper miner cards. I'm running BOINC + Gridcoin
 
it all depends on what you want to do, if you only want to loose 50% of you initial investment in hardware (upgrading regularly with new gens of cards) or don't want to be bothered with that and just buy the mining versions of the card, you loose the initial investment but you still make money.
 
cybereality said:
People were saying mining was dead 4 years ago, and I was a fool for listening. Look at the prices now.

I actually had $5 in Bitcoin someone sent me a few years back. Never did anything with it, checked last night at it was worth $28. Sure it's only $28 but the ROI would have been sick if I had invested.
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And it will crash again.. and it will go back up.. and it will crash again.. and it will go back up.
I can't even count how many cycles of this has happened already.
 
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