Nvidia 9000 series GPU's

My feeling is the GX2 is allot faster than a 3870x2...

As far as which is faster between an Ultra and a GX2, i believe you will be hard pressed to find any game that the GX2 won't run faster than an 8800 Ultra.

In the 9 Series.... the GX2 is the Ultra. This card will the single fastest GPU until the new tech cards gat released later this year...
 
TalonMan said:
My feeling is the GX2 is allot faster than a 3870x2...

As far as wich is faster between an Ultra and a GX2, i believe you will be hard pressed to find any game that the GX2 won't run faster than an 8800 Ultra.

In the 9 Series.... the GX2 is the Ultra. This card will the single fastest GPU until the new tech cards gat released later this year...
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I think you mean single fastest card, as it is really two GPUs in SLI (and not the two fastest GPUs either)
 
2 GPU's can be used in 2 PC at once. The GX2 can't. It is a single GPU and being sold as such. Try to convivce nVidia to sell them as 2 GPU's, and you will be in for a battle.... :)

Split it apart and both cards won't work. It's one or none...
 
NKDietrich said:
You're the one who came in here asking extremely innane questions. In other sub-forums I have seen you post the same thread asking the the same question 3 or 4 times. That guy tries to help you and you say this bizarre shit? Come on dude.



The problem with all this data we're getting is that its all so dependent on drivers and games playing nice with SLI and Crossfire. God multi-GPU frustrates me.
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i don't ask extremely innane questions. my questions are simple and direct you just don't know how to read and have no social skills.
 
Draziom said:
Dan_d already proved you wrong so what you say now is irrelevant.
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I don't think I proved anyone wrong. All I have done is used simple logic and reasoning combined with some educated guesses to take a stab at the performance we should expect from the 9800GX2 cards. Really it is all conjecture, but if the specs that are generally accepted to be correct are true then what I've said makes quite a bit of sense and should be close to the mark.
 
owkia said:
It seems to me like this guy is borderline trolling. He asks a question, argues with the people trying to answer him, finally admits that the people answering him know more about graphics cards than he does, then procedes to argue some more with them.

It's kinda difficult to argue against facts though.
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your the one trolling. and encouraging others to do so. its quite obvious. 1 person says something about a card thats he thinks is correct and then gets corrected by another poster. i mean cmon. if you don't know anything don't say anything at all!
 
NKDietrich said:
He was doing the same in the Displays subforum a couple weeks ago. I don't know what his problem is. He asks a question claiming he doesn't know anything, gets some good advice, then he starts arguing with the person and tells them they don't know what they are talking about.

For example he would run asking what type of LCD panel to get, then go picking fights saying that there was no such thing as input lag. But at the same time it didn't seem quite intentional. I've cut him some slack in the past and defended him against people bashing him because I suspected he may be somewhat mentally handicapped, but now I'm leaning towards thinking he's just a troll.
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your the one who kept giving me wrong answers in the display section. saying input lag was more of an issue than slow pixel response time and ghosting on an IPS panel. the truth is input lag is very very minor to a huge problem with ghosting and very slow response time with an IPS panel. and you wont admit to this fact. i mean are you retarded or something?

i would rather pick a monitor with input lag than a monitor with slow response time and ghosting. use ur head cmon man. use rationality.
 
Dan_D said:
I don't think I proved anyone wrong. All I have done is used simple logic and reasoning combined with some educated guesses to take a stab at the performance we should expect from the 9800GX2 cards. Really it is all conjecture, but if the specs that are generally accepted to be correct are true then what I've said makes quite a bit of sense and should be close to the mark.
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exactly the facts state what they state. the other guy with a reading problem doesnt want to accept these facts.
 
I think he really is mental. I will make a note not to bother helping this guy out in the future.
 
Blahman said:
I think he really is mental. I will make a note not to bother helping this guy out in the future.
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i dont need ur help, you don't know what your talking about and make no sense whatsoever. i'll get help from experienced users.
 
This and other threads that discuss Nvidia's 9000 series have taught me something very important: There's no overwhelming benefit to be gained from upgrading my 8800 GTS G92 512MB to either 9800 card.
 
Draziom said:
your the one who kept giving me wrong answers in the display section. saying input lag was more of an issue than slow pixel response time and ghosting on an IPS panel. the truth is input lag is very very minor to a huge problem with ghosting and very slow response time with an IPS panel. and you wont admit to this fact. i mean are you retarded or something?

i would rather pick a monitor with input lag than a monitor with slow response time and ghosting. use ur head cmon man. use rationality.
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Actually I completely disagree here. Ghosting is terrible for image quality and pixel response is an issue but most monitors should be pretty good at both of these things by now. I haven't seen very many modern monitors that have really bad ghosting issues and the few I have seen were generally extremely cheap no-name brand monitors found in floor stacks at your local computer retailer. Pixel response is also pretty good on most monitors these days. At least on anything worth looking at. However input lag is a very large problem for gamers. That's why people generally don't care for PVA panels. PVA panels are often stricken with terrible input lag. TN doesn't generally if ever have this problem, but TN panels have poor viewing angles and poor color reproduction. S-IPS generally delivers the best of both worlds ad then some, but the response times are the slowest out of all the technologies. However they have become "fast enough" for gamers and other users. So the weakness that used to plague traditional IPS panels is pretty much a moot point. The drawback of S-IPS happens to be cost at this point.
 
TN panels are best for video games. but the new S-PVA panels by samsung are also excellent for games. the response time is only 6ms which is very fast and there is no ghosting or slow down. IPS panels on the other hand have a nice crisp picture for graphics and photographs but not good for motion video. its ghosting and response time is much to slow. i would recommend S-PVA panels by Samsung they are number 1.
 
Dan_D said:
Actually I completely disagree here. Ghosting is terrible for image quality and pixel response is an issue but most monitors should be pretty good at both of these things by now. I haven't seen very many modern monitors that have really bad ghosting issues and the few I have seen were generally extremely cheap no-name brand monitors found in floor stacks at your local computer retailer. Pixel response is also pretty good on most monitors these days. At least on anything worth looking at. However input lag is a very large problem for gamers. That's why people generally don't care for PVA panels. PVA panels are often stricken with terrible input lag. TN doesn't generally if ever have this problem, but TN panels have poor viewing angles and poor color reproduction. S-IPS generally delivers the best of both worlds ad then some, but the response times are the slowest out of all the technologies. However they have become "fast enough" for gamers and other users. So the weakness that used to plague traditional IPS panels is pretty much a moot point. The drawback of S-IPS happens to be cost at this point.
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Input lag is pretty horrible on some of the newest S-PVA panels, and it seems to be getting worse, not better. Not sure why that is. S-IPS, like you said Dan, is a best of both worlds situation, but you forgot one other problem besides price:

The fact that there are so few models available and so little choice. Of course that is true for all non-TN panels. They just keep getting more and more rare. I have to wonder why this is. Maybe they assume most consumers are too stupid or blind to notice the difference between TN and PVA/IPS
 
Draziom said:
TN panels are best for video games. but the new S-PVA panels by samsung are also excellent for games. the response time is only 6ms which is very fast and there is no ghosting or slow down. IPS panels on the other hand have a nice crisp picture for graphics and photographs but not good for motion video. its ghosting and response time is much to slow. i would recommend S-PVA panels by Samsung they are number 1.
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You obviously have never used a high end S-IPS panel then. Hell I've got an old Viewsonic VP201s and it uses an S-IPS panel and I've got to tell you that its' fine for full motion video (not the best) but it isn't too slow for video games.

However there is a difference between that panel and my Dell 3007WFP. The latter is good for virtually any usage scenario.
 
TalonMan said:
2 GPU's can be used in 2 PC at once. The GX2 can't. It is a single GPU and being sold as such. Try to convivce nVidia to sell them as 2 GPU's, and you will be in for a battle.... :)

Split it apart and both cards won't work. It's one or none...
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No, the GPU is the actual chip, like the CPU. The GX2 is dual-GPU, but single card. You really can't argue with that unless you decide to ignore the definition of a GPU and make up your own...
 
I'm a bit curious why Nvidia does not like to put more than 1 GPU on a card. Maybe its cheaper/simpler to make the sandwich cards?

Lord knows 3dfx was never shy about it, though those were simpler cards by comparison, and ATI seems to have put two 3870s on a single PCB without much issue.
 
NKDietrich said:
I'm a bit curious why Nvidia does not like to put more than 1 GPU on a card. Maybe its cheaper/simpler to make the sandwich cards?

Lord knows 3dfx was never shy about it, though those were simpler cards by comparison, and ATI seems to have put two 3870s on a single PCB without much issue.
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It probably is cheaper. They can use thinner PCB and use less complicated traces on each PCB. Plus the card is probably a little shorter than a single PCB solution would be.
 
kllrnohj said:
No, the GPU is the actual chip, like the CPU. The GX2 is dual-GPU, but single card. You really can't argue with that unless you decide to ignore the definition of a GPU and make up your own...
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You are correct... My bad! It is officially considered a single card, but dual GPU.

Thanks for the lesson. :D
 
TalonMan said:
You are correct... My bad! It is officially considered a single card, but dual GPU.

Thanks for the lesson. :D
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More accurate would be single-slot... since it is two "cards" (PCBs). :p Not to nitpick or anything.
 
NKDietrich said:
More accurate would be single-slot... since it is two "cards" (PCBs). :p Not to nitpick or anything.
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But its really a dual-slot "card" since it takes up two slots due to the second PCB and fan ;) Not to nitpick or anything :p I think the term card should refer to the total package, not the number of PCBs
 
Dan_D said:
It probably is cheaper. They can use thinner PCB and use less complicated traces on each PCB. Plus the card is probably a little shorter than a single PCB solution would be.
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Also using two PCB's makes the card run cooler supposedly.
 
I know it has been said a million times, but if you can't run SLI (like me), I just gotta believe it will be a decent amount faster than any other single GPU I could plug in...

I know it's not the wonder card, but I probably would go down to a single 9600 GT, or 8800 GTS, if I didn't get a GX2. I think they are both fine cards, but just one of either won't run with a GX2...

I don't really like the 3870's near as much as the 9 series...

If it runs cool, is fast, and can deal with 1920 x 1200 and high settings in Crysis, it's going to be hard to ignore. I don't think a single 9800 GTX will geve me that, nor a 3870x2.

I would rather have the new tech cards out soon myself, but actually believe the GX2 will be the fastest 'single card' (taking 2 spots ;) ), that I can plug in until next year. I further believe that it will be at least 30% faster than it's nearest 'single card' rival.
 
TalonMan said:
I know it has been said a million times, but if you can't run SLI (like me), I just gotta believe it will be a decent amount faster than any other single GPU I could plug in...

I know it's not the wonder card, but I probably would go down to a single 9600 GT, or 8800 GTS, if I didn't get a GX2. I think they are both fine cards, but just one of either won't run with a GX2...

I don't really like the 3870's near as much as the 9 series...

If it runs cool, is fast, and can deal with 1920 x 1200 and high settings in Crysis, it's going to be hard to ignore. I don't think a single 9800 GTX will geve me that, nor a 3870x2.

I would rather have the new tech cards out soon myself, but actually believe the GX2 will be the fastest 'single card' (taking 2 spots ;) ), that I can plug in until next year. I further believe that it will be at least 30% faster than it's nearest 'single card' rival.
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I think people are expecting too much. Don't expect Crysis to run on anything but super high end SLI rigs at 1920x1200 with all settings on Very High. A single card just doesn't seem likely to do it.
 
Thanks for the warning... ;)

How far do you believe the next single card's performance will be, under the GX2?
 
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