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NV40 on April 13th...

This seems like solid info from cebit. r420 to be launched at almost exactly the same time too.
 
Not at all unlikely. I do not however believe that nv40 will reach consumers until late august/early september (based on what I've heard on the rumour front). r420 should be out no later than july. All speculation of course.
 
Originally posted by pakotlar
Not at all unlikely. I do not however believe that nv40 will reach consumers until late august/early september (based on what I've heard on the rumour front). r420 should be out no later than july. All speculation of course.
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What exactly does "launch" mean then? I was planning on getting a new computer in the next few months. Please don't tell me these cards are that far off :mad:
 
Originally posted by splooger
What exactly does "launch" mean then? I was planning on getting a new computer in the next few months. Please don't tell me these cards are that far off :mad:
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"Launch" is when they officially introduce the product to the consumers. But it's usually not shipped to retailers 'till some time later.
 
Originally posted by pakotlar
Not at all unlikely. I do not however believe that nv40 will reach consumers until late august/early september (based on what I've heard on the rumour front). r420 should be out no later than july. All speculation of course.
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isnt nv40 supposed to come before the r420? or do you mean july of 2005? lol...i doubt that far away.
 
Why do so many people think that the R420 will be a lot better then this card? Has anyone seen any preliminary benches to suggest that or do people believe that ATi will continue to dominate for the end of time? Give me a break. The R300 chip was better then the FX chip, big deal. Nvidia can come back at any time.
 
The 5700 ultras that they "launched" with ddr3 were supposed to be available by mid march. Well that has come and gone, and still no 5700u's with ddr3.
 
So is "launching" the equivalent to going gold in the software industry? How soon do cards usually come out after being launched? How soon do reviews usually come out after launch? Can you tell I'm anxious?
 
Originally posted by Bad_Boy
isnt nv40 supposed to come before the r420? or do you mean july of 2005? lol...i doubt that far away.
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According to some people who claim to have some inside knowledge (mufu, uttar, etc) nv40 will come out significantly later than the r420. They "probably" retooled the nv40 and added an extra 50 million transistors to the design (added something like 4-8 extra pipeline stages, though this number isn't fixed depending on the situation) to stay competetitive with ATI. According to Uttar I believe, it is even doubtful that nvidia has working silicon yet, though I'm sure they are doing everything they can to get it working (I believe the design taped out, and the first sample was not funcutional).

On an interesting side note, the original design called for 175 million transistors. That would have been only a ~30% transistor increase over the NV35. the r420 has a ~45- 50% transistor increase from 107-110 to 160 million. At 210 million transistors the nv40 design calls for 55% more transistors than nv35. most of that will go pipelines/increased vertex throughput, as the nv35 architecture is already reportedly very close to ps3.0 spec, which nvidia will most likely aim for. This generation will be very interesting.

On side note 2, according to Dave Bauman (I believe?) nvidia may be inflating its transistor count (they count caches and such, while ATI does not).

This is mostly what I have been hearing at beyond3d.com. I'm an everyday lurker over there :).
 
Originally posted by Staples
Why do so many people think that the R420 will be a lot better then this card? Has anyone seen any preliminary benches to suggest that or do people believe that ATi will continue to dominate for the end of time? Give me a break. The R300 chip was better then the FX chip, big deal. Nvidia can come back at any time.
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Don't you understand? If Nvidia has one bad product launch, they're dead. Never able to come back, lets forget that ATi was second to nvidia for nearly 5 years straight, but look..they came back after consistant lossage for half a decade, but nvidia doesn't hold market share for a year: BANKRUPT
 
Originally posted by WalteRr
Don't you understand? If Nvidia has one bad product launch, they're dead. Never able to come back, lets forget that ATi was second to nvidia for nearly 5 years straight, but look..they came back after consistant lossage for half a decade, but nvidia doesn't hold market share for a year: BANKRUPT
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umm.. Even if Nvidia has another bad product launch, they won't die.

[1] Nvidia doesn't make money just off of video cards. They've had great sales figures for their chipsets as well.

[2] Large corporations such as nVidia are usually prepared for such a thing and have secondary plans to react to a mediocre product launch. Even if they don't, it won't hurt them too much. Of course they won't be making the millions and millions of dollars in revenues (from graphic cards), still they won't go bankrupt.

[3] Majority of graphic card sales are from mainstream (low-mid range (e.g. geforce MX series).) products. So in that aspect, nvidia wins hands down. Most casual users don't go out and purchase $400 video cards. And a large portion of computer users are the "casual" users.
 
Originally posted by WalteRr
Don't you understand? If Nvidia has one bad product launch, they're dead. Never able to come back, lets forget that ATi was second to nvidia for nearly 5 years straight, but look..they came back after consistant lossage for half a decade, but nvidia doesn't hold market share for a year: BANKRUPT
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pretty misinformed man
thats like sayin if a car company makes a bad model, their whole company is down the tube.

people will still buy other styles of cars from the same company
money will still be made, just maybe not as much as their competition
better models will come, maybe worse, but its definately not the end of the line.

ill wait till they are both out to judge the r420 + nv40, insted of speculating on their lifespan :\
 
Do either of you know what sarcasm is? I was being sarcastic towards the moronic ATi fanboys.
 
Originally posted by WalteRr
Do either of you know what sarcasm is? I was being sarcastic towards the moronic ATi fanboys.
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Well, you're not too good at phrasing it as a sarcasm. ;)
 
dont worry dudes, I knew he was being sarcastic. Last time I was being sarcastic, I was sarcastically mocking a mod, and even though I thought the all caps would give it away, I was banned :(.


Moral: sarcasm kills puppies
 
Originally posted by pakotlar
Not at all unlikely. I do not however believe that nv40 will reach consumers until late august/early september (based on what I've heard on the rumour front). r420 should be out no later than july. All speculation of course.
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No.

Manufacturers of NVIDIA based graphics solutions told our rerpresentative at the CeBIT show, Anton Shilov, that they were going to start mass production of NV40 based cards in May.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040318062830.html
 
So is "launching" the equivalent to going gold in the software industry?
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Errr....sometimes?

Sometimes, 'launching' is more akin to announcing a new product. Like, say, if you had a big press party for Duke Nukem Forever and announced what features were going to be in it, what graphics engine was powering it, etc.

That's a launch.

It doesn't mean anything, though. It is entirely possible that the hardware doesn't exist in any form at a 'launch'. That's generally bad form, as it means what you announce tends to be false when (if) the product ever ships. See the recent 'Phantom' console as an example.

In the past, large companies that are traded publicly (AMD, Intel, ATI, nVidia) tend to not 'launch' a product until at least engineering samples are done. Depending on the complexity of the product, that MAY still be months before we see it on retail shelves.

So, no, it's usually not anything like 'going gold' for software.
 
Originally posted by Vagrant Zero
No.

Manufacturers of NVIDIA based graphics solutions told our rerpresentative at the CeBIT show, Anton Shilov, that they were going to start mass production of NV40 based cards in May.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040318062830.html
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agreed, the cards will be on shelves in late May (or maybe early June). I've heard that from quite a few people.

And yes, a "launch" is just an announcement of the chip. Depending on the company, the cards using the chip may be available any time after it. The GF2 took only 3 days to hit shelves after launch, but lately nV has slipped quite a bit. So count on being able to buy the card about a month(ish) after launch.
 
Well, it seems that Nvidia is going to be giving away some cards based on the chip at launch...
 
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