nv40 Launch Announced!!!!!

[Vagrant Zero]

Originally posted by merlin704
You are 18 and still live at home? Maybe instead of blowing $500 on a video card you should save that money, move out and quit mooching off your parents.

Not everyone has had the American dream raped down their throats.

 

[Visable-assassin]

Originally posted by ati_azn
where do you get all that money????!!!

a job possibly man?
Shit I know my job allows me to play the hardware game as often as id like...however I mainly "upgrade" in small jumps...and most of my money is in the bank....shit im probably the only person here who spends $105 on a barbell for my tongue
But I'll probably be in the same boat at cornelious0_0 but no way in hell will I buy it on launch...unless its better than what was advertised

 

[grimey]

Originally posted by Bad_Boy
im pretty sure that image is fake.

*cough*it-was-sarcasm*cough*

 

[cornelious0_0]

I wouldn't say FAN persay, more like a stalker! Just Kidding

Meh.....either way.

When ATI puts out is hardware so Nvidia can see how bad they have to fubar IQ and driver code to keep up.

Not funny dude. We all have to take this launch seriously and with a clean mind.....there can be no pre-judging if we're hoping to get the most out of these next couple releases.

But I'll probably be in the same boat at cornelious0_0 but no way in hell will I buy it on launch...unless its better than what was advertised

I can see where you're coming from with that, but I can't afford NOT to have one. It's partially my own problem but like I said, even if it was "only" 30% faster (which it most likely will be, at least) or less, I'd jump on it. If I was just straight out buying the card for another $700+ then that'd be a problem but I'm gonna be able to sell off my 9800XT to make up for more then half of the new cards cost, so I'm not TOO worried.

 

[THE JEW (RaVeN)]

Don't take it personally, Cornelious, but I would've hated to have been your parents Christmas Eve.

 

[VIOLENCE FACTOR]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0
Not funny dude.

You'll get over it. Or don't. Like I give a crap.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Don't take it personally, Cornelious, but I would've hated to have been your parents Christmas Eve.

What for??? All this has come out of my own pocket. My parents refuse to ever lend/borrow/give me cash for my computer.....and with just cause.

You'll get over it. Or don't. Like I give a crap.

Dude, I wasn't being serious.....don't sound so pissy.

 

[Particleman]

According to Tom's Hardware it sounds like ATi is going to launch at the exact same time.

"The "secret services" have apparently done their work and so both manufacturers have set dates for important press conferences - of course completely coincidentally - for the exact same time next month. Therefore, journalists are faced with the question of whether to go to ATI or to NVIDIA! Because it is normally rather difficult to divide editors in half, at least in a practical way, the decision will inevitably be a wrong one. It remains to be seen if both parties will come to an agreement and put an end to these childish games. So far, both of them have been asserting: "we were first," or, for example, "he started it". The only ray of hope is that the e-mail invitations did not turn up exactly at the same time."

http://www.tomshardware.com/business/20040323/cebit2004_1-15.html

 

[Bennyb]

cornelious0_0, what do you do that is lacking in performance that is going to force you to NEED a new card by august? Its a damn shame so many people keep upgrading everytime something new and shiny comes up.
I just bought a 9800pro, and i cannot find a game, besides BF:V which is fucked up, that will not let me play on 4xAA and 8xAF at a resonable frame rate and resolution...

Prometia...3.2c...

Please tell my you have just reasons for upgrading...

Intel Pentium 4 2.6C @ 3.3GHz
Asus P4C800-E DLX
OCZ 2x512MB PC4000EL @ 508MHz DDR 3-4-4-8
ATI Radeon 9800XT @ 442/810
Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM SATA

3DMark2001: 20,747
3DMark03: 7,184
Aquamark3: 50,263
PCMark2002: CPU - 8,109 / Memory - 11,413 / HDD - 1,147

Oh wait, you DONT... why dont you buy some etheopians food for a few months or something... JESUS.

Edit: Reply REQUESTED and dont gimme the Doom3 hl2 BS please

 

[THE JEW (RaVeN)]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0
What for??? All this has come out of my own pocket. My parents refuse to ever lend/borrow/give me cash for my computer.....and with just cause.


Dude, it's not because of the money. It's because if you're this excited before a video card launch, you woulda been bouncing off the walls before Christmas. One of those kids who stays up all night and continually asks their parents on the hour, every hour after midnight whether they can open their presents or not.


Not that I'm saying I did that.

 

[pistola]

ATI + PCI Express = nVidia can kiss my white Arse


haha. Thats just right around the corner.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Dude, it's not because of the money. It's because if you're this excited before a video card launch, you woulda been bouncing off the walls before Christmas. One of those kids who stays up all night and continually asks their parents on the hour, every hour after midnight whether they can open their presents or not.

Heh, never.

ATI + PCI Express = nVidia can kiss my white Arse

haha. Thats just right around the corner.

I hope so too but lets not be too one sided about anything yet. ATI's sure doing a great job of keeping their card under wraps so we really have no idea of knowing just how good/bad the thing really is.

 

[ZenOps]

Well, CeBIT has come and gone and no sign of either the NV40 or R420/423.

So it looks like at least another three months of waiting... ATi can afford to wait, the longer Nvidia takes to get a competing product the more time ATi has to sell the 9XXX line of cards.

Me, I can't wait that long... This Radeon 8500 is just too slow for high res gaming now. I'm looking to a 9800pro now that it seems to have dropped in the last few weeks (was going for $300Cdn on a retail BBA)

 

[pistola]

http://www.ati.com/products/PCIexpress/index.html

 

[Visable-assassin]

Originally posted by pistola
ATI + PCI Express = nVidia can kiss my white Arse


haha. Thats just right around the corner.

yeah because you know Nvidia is just gonna stay with AGP forever....
stop being one sided and wait to see what the offerings are before speaking

 

[mcryptic]

does ati still plan on releasing the r42x cards on AGP as well as pci-express? It just seems weird that all the pics i've seen on their new cards are on pci-express...

 

[Cows Milk Thrown @ U]

Originally posted by pistola
ATI + PCI Express = nVidia can kiss my white Arse


haha. Thats just right around the corner.

only an idiot fanboy like yourself would blind themselvs with stupidity like that.

let me guess, you were at a lan and one of your punker buddies mentioned something he heard on "da intarnet"?

rookies...

 

[Vonkhan]

cornelious0_0, n/m the have-nots

my rig:

P4 3.2 @ 3.8
IC7-Max3
9800XT
2 x 512mb HyperX pc3500
2 x 74gb Raptors RAID-0
160gb WD SE
Audigy2 ZS
Dell 2001FP



Yep, I'm gonna upgrade to whichever video card is faster and I'm buying a 3.4EE and no, those hungry ethernopians can kiss my mocha ass

Two molex connectors on nv40 and none on r420 ... ? Thats just wierd. Wanna see the cooling solution on the nv40, another dustbuster?

 

[KINgGh0sT]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0
Meh.....either way.



Not funny dude. We all have to take this launch seriously and with a clean mind.....there can be no pre-judging if we're hoping to get the most out of these next couple releases.



I can see where you're coming from with that, but I can't afford NOT to have one. It's partially my own problem but like I said, even if it was "only" 30% faster (which it most likely will be, at least) or less, I'd jump on it. If I was just straight out buying the card for another $700+ then that'd be a problem but I'm gonna be able to sell off my 9800XT to make up for more then half of the new cards cost, so I'm not TOO worried.

You don't even know how pissed off I am at myself for buying a 9600XT, It's so slow, but it was quite the upgrade from my Geforce 4 MX 440. I wish I could sell this for anywhere near what I bought it for. I can get a 128meg 9800 PRO for like 350, I purchased my 9600XT for close to 300 If I remember correctly. I might ebay it, or be a nice son and donate it to my father.

 

[pistola]

Originally posted by Cows Milk Thrown @ U
only an idiot fanboy like yourself would blind themselvs with stupidity like that.

let me guess, you were at a lan and one of your punker buddies mentioned something he heard on "da intarnet"?

rookies...

Don't be a hater. Your obviously not secure enough with your self and your knowledge to attack my post with some proof, so you rather attack the person who said it. Now wheres the stupidity at?

 

[Vagrant Zero]

Originally posted by pistola
Don't be a hater. Your obviously not secure enough with your self and your knowledge to attack my post with some proof, so you rather attack the person who said it. Now wheres the stupidity at?

The AGP bus isn't anywhere near saturated. The move to PCI-E will effect mainly PCI periphs and not your 8x pro video card. And like someone else mentioned, the NV45 has native PCI-E support. So in other words you must HUMP Mr.

Do the forums a favor and shoot the person who informed you of 'da intarnet'.

 

[Cows Milk Thrown @ U]

Originally posted by pistola
Don't be a hater. Your obviously not secure enough with your self and your knowledge to attack my post with some proof, so you rather attack the person who said it. Now wheres the stupidity at?

uh, i do apologize, but i cannot compute the stupidity that is coming out of your fingers.

errr?

hmm...definitely.

 

[pistola]

Originally posted by Cows Milk Thrown @ U
uh, i do apologize, but i cannot compute the stupidity that is coming out of your fingers.

errr?

hmm...definitely.

Whats stupid? The fact that nVidia has said nothing about their next card being PCI Express where has ATI has? Or that PCI-Express is double the bandwidth @ 4.0GB/s compared to 8x AGP @ 2.1 GB/s?

 

[pistola]

Originally posted by Vagrant Zero
The AGP bus isn't anywhere near saturated. The move to PCI-E will effect mainly PCI periphs and not your 8x pro video card. And like someone else mentioned, the NV45 has native PCI-E support. So in other words you must HUMP Mr.

Do the forums a favor and shoot the person who informed you of 'da intarnet'.

Native "PCI-Express Support" does that mean it is a PCI Express card? If not there will be a convertion taking place which then it wounldn't matter, because the bandwidth would get bottlenecked because the card would still be AGP, and unable to get to that 4.0GB/s. And AGP Is saturated, its been around for a very looong time, and needs a replacement as well as the ol' 32-bit PCI.

 

[DiscoStu]

The AGP bus needs to go ... it cannot deliver anywhere near enough power for today's and tomorrow's vid cards ... PCI-Express will remedy that and hopefully there will be no more need for external power ...

 

[Vagrant Zero]

Originally posted by pistola
Native "PCI-Express Support" does that mean it is a PCI Express card?

Yes. That is what native means. NV40 will be a bridged solution. NV45 will be native.

And AGP Is saturated, its been around for a very looong time, and needs a replacement as well as the ol' 32-bit PCI.

Prove it. All the benchs I saw back when 8x hit were showing no real performance gain from the jump.

The only viable reason PCI-E for vid cards is the external power issue [well it's a non-issue for me, I'll just get a 550W PS instead of bitching about it]. Regardless, it has nothing to do with performance.

 

[pistola]

Originally posted by Vagrant Zero
Yes. That is what native means. NV40 will be a bridged solution. NV45 will be native.



Prove it. All the benchs I saw back when 8x hit were showing no real performance gain from the jump.

The only viable reason PCI-E for vid cards is the external power issue [well it's a non-issue for me, I'll just get a 550W PS instead of bitching about it]. Regardless, it has nothing to do with performance.

Thats exactly what I thought, the bridge solution will definitly show no improvment, because its a conversion. That means its not getting the 4.0GB/s it should rather its gets only as high as the card will output which is 8x AGP 2.1GB/s. Where as the next ATI will be a true PCI-Express card getting the full 4.0GB/s and will most definitly get a performance boost.

 

[Merlin45]

the only time that the agp8x bus is ever saturated is when uncompressed HDTV is run over it. that is one thing that ATI is ecstatic about, because they have already announced that they are making a pci-e HDTV card for hdtv editing purposes. unless you are editing hdtv video you will really see no advantage to more bandwidth. yes agp is old, but it has been revised over the years, agp 1.0 which was 2x and 3.3volt, agp 2.0 doubled the bandwidth with agp4x and moved to 1.5 volt. and agp 3.0 doubles the bandwidth again to 8x and .8 volts. they are different standards, and agp 8x is fairly new.

 

[Merlin45]

Originally posted by pistola
Thats exactly what I thought, the bridge solution will definitly show no improvment, because its a conversion. That means its not getting the 4.0GB/s it should rather its gets only as high as the card will output which is 8x AGP 2.1GB/s. Where as the next ATI will be a true PCI-Express card getting the full 4.0GB/s and will most definitly get a performance boost.

nvidia is running agp 16x between the bridge and the gpu, so the only way the briged solution will be inferior will be in the fact that it can only do 4GB/s in one direction at a time due to the parallel nature of agp, as opposed to serial pci-e that can do reads and writes in both directions at the same time.

 

[Vagrant Zero]

Originally posted by pistola
Where as the next ATI will be a true PCI-Express card getting the full 4.0GB/s and will most definitly get a performance boost.

No. The following was taken from HardOCP's frontpage today:

Kyle's Note: We might be seeing the beginning of PCI-Express but we are hardly seeing the end of AGP8X. You will continue to see AGP cards on the market through 2006 and probably farther out than that. (Think of how long PCI VGA cards have been around and are still sold daily.) What is the question is how long AGP8X will be supported on high end and mainstream cards. Currently there is hardly any gaming software that even pushes AGP8X bandwidth abilities. I think it will be a good while till we see 3.2GB of actual data being used simultaneously in each direction on the PCI-Express bus. That being said, and AMD not even announcing PCI-Express chipsets, AGP4X and AGP8X interfaces are not going anywhere for a while.

Satisfied?

 

[obs]

PCI-E is just another bandwidth upgrade except this time it breaks backward compatibility. Nothing to get excited about. The extra bandwidth will most likely not be touched for at least a year.

People don't seem to understand that when you have a 2 cars going down a 4 lane road, the cars wouldn't move any faster going down an 8 lane road.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by obs
PCI-E is just another bandwidth upgrade except this time it breaks backward compatibility. Nothing to get excited about. The extra bandwidth will most likely not be touched for at least a year.

People don't seem to understand that when you have a 2 cars going down a 4 lane road, the cars wouldn't move any faster going down an 8 lane road.

Exactly, you're dead wrong if you think that your games are gonna start running faster just 'cus of the PCI express bus. Hell, when 8x AGP came out the GeForce4 Ti's were the first cards (i think) to support both 4x and 8x.....and there was next to no gain. Seeing as 8x is still barely being taken advantage of, I highly doubt that the slot alone and extra bandwidth will bump up your fps any great deal.

I can still hardly wait for the new technology(s) to roll out but just becuase they are just that.....new technology. Not necessarily better in ever way shape or from.....just new and exciting.

 

[Merlin45]

you have to realize that there is more to pci-e than more bandwidth. the removal of the gart means that the system can process information faster with less latency. plus the whole thing is serial so that independent reads/writes don't have to wait and can be done simultaneously. also pci-e provides 75 watts of power, as opposed to agp that provides a measely 35 watts. finally pci-e will eventually replace the aging pci bus which is great.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by Merlin45
you have to realize that there is more to pci-e than more bandwidth. the removal of the gart means that the system can process information faster with less latency. plus the whole thing is serial so that independent reads/writes don't have to wait and can be done simultaneously. also pci-e provides 75 watts of power, as opposed to agp that provides a measely 35 watts. finally pci-e will eventually replace the aging pci bus which is great.

Yeah, I'm afraid that a lot of people probably just don't know about all that's being done to help it out. The Wattage increase will definitely be nice though.....and always a big fan of change in the hardware scene..............just 'cus it gives me another "excuse" to upgrade.

 

[Vagrant Zero]

Good for PCI-E. For the end consumer it doesn't mean much, at least not yet. I was going to wait for PCI-E mobos for the FXs, but if they don't come out by May/June I'm not going to bother waiting anymore.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by Vagrant Zero
Good for PCI-E. For the end consumer it doesn't mean much, at least not yet. I was going to wait for PCI-E mobos for the FXs, but if they don't come out by May/June I'm not going to bother waiting anymore.

Depending on what the time line's looking like, I might just very well do that. Seeing as I've got a fairly decent system to "hold me over" until then.....I'd say it's a very viable option.

I fully realise that not everyone can do that and that not everyone is in my position, but I don't expect them to be. As long as a person is getting as much for their money as they possibly can and they're making decisions wisely (something I've kinda skipped) they're good to go.

Game on my brothas.

 

[Vagrant Zero]

Originally posted by cornelious0_0
As long as a person is getting as much for their money as they possibly can and they're making decisions wisely (something I've kinda skipped) they're good to go.

Heh you're not alone on that money wasting thing, I'm planning on sinking $3500 on the new system.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by Vagrant Zero
Heh you're not alone on that money wasting thing, I'm planning on sinking $3500 on the new system.

Man, I'd have so much fun doing that all at once. Truth is that once I drop nearly a grand (CDN) into my Prometia it's gonna be pushin' my entire setup close to the $4,000 mark. I mean, its cool in it's own right, but kind of pathetic. Especially for how much/little I actually make use of all these fancy, flashy things in my computer.

 

[pistola]

When nVidia's ready, IM thinking ATI is sitting on their card waiting for nVidia to catch up.

 

[cornelious0_0]

Originally posted by pistola
When nVidia's ready, IM thinking ATI is sitting on their card waiting for nVidia to catch up.

That wouldn't be completely out of the question either.....and would make for an awsome release.