Northwood vs Prescott

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dlenart

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Gets even more confusing now. My dad says my 3.0 GHZ on the 875 chipset is anemic by todays standards. So he offers me up 3.4GHZ 478 Northwood that he has laying around collecting dust for $300.00., So I go onto Ebay and see a 3.4 775 for $200 and yell at him for trying to rip off his son. Then he replies "That is not a Northwood, it is a piece of crap Prescott, worthless piece of crap" So First off the P4 3.4 GHZ comes in two socket types 478 and 775 and then it comes in Prescott or Northwood? Can someone please help explain this to me?

Are all 775's Prescotts?

Thanks.
 
A 3.4ghz Northwood is rare, they were the fastest official s478 processors. Prescott's are not as bad as he thinks they are, yes they are a little slower clock for clock. If Northwood is so much better than why did Intel abandon it in favor of the Prescott, and now Presler. You're 3.0C can probobly overclock to 3.4+, I wouldn't get that 3.4C, especially for $300. You could probobly get a 3.2EE for that kind of money.

Yes, all lga775's are Prescotts and Preslers(65nm Prescott)
 
Okay. Intel has two sockets, the old (s478) and the new (LGA775). Northwoods are the old cores, they run cool and are 130nm. They tend to overclock well, but have been known to suddenly die if overvolted too much. Prescotts are the new core, they run hotter and are 90nm. They overclock very well, but due to their hot nature you need some decent cooling to get a good overclock. Really, I wouldn't worry about it.

Oh yeah, don't buy that CPU from your dad. For $300 you could get a new 920 dual-core, which runs very cool at 65nm and overclocks like a demon. Your dad's CPU isn't worh more than $150 max.
 
My Prescott @ 3.36 GHz is not a "worthless piece of crap". Anyway, the Northwood is 478 only. The prescott is 478 and 775.
 
Since Northwoods became extinct after the 478's we've got 775's. I have only learned of the Prescott's being 775. Are there others? What is this Preslor you speak of?
 
I think a 3.4C is worth more than $150, I wouldn't pay more than $220-230 for one though. I paid $150 for my 2.4C a little over a year ago and overclocked to 3.4 its faster than a 3.4C :D

Alot of people were cynical about the Prescotts when they came out. My only experience with a Prescott is my Celeron D 2.4@3.8. Yes, it runs hot, but its fast as hell and I only paid $60 for the CPU.
 
dlenart said:
Since Northwoods became extinct after the 478's we've got 775's. I have only learned of the Prescott's being 775. Are there others? What is this Preslor you speak of?
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Presler is Intel's fairly new core. The dual core CPUs are based on it. It, of course, is an LGA775.
 
sac_tagg said:
Okay. Intel has two sockets, the old (s478) and the new (LGA775). Northwoods are the old cores, they run cool and are 130nm. They tend to overclock well, but have been known to suddenly die if overvolted too much. Prescotts are the new core, they run hotter and are 90nm. They overclock very well, but due to their hot nature you need some decent cooling to get a good overclock. Really, I wouldn't worry about it.

Oh yeah, don't buy that CPU from your dad. For $300 you could get a new 920 dual-core, which runs very cool at 65nm and overclocks like a demon. Your dad's CPU isn't worh more than $150 max.
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What chipset(s) does the dual core run on?
 
This is what my dad says: "Nobody likes the 775 "Pin" processor. They run to hot and are actually slower than the 478 conter part even if they have 512MB more level 2 cache. The only thing decent that Intel has is there flagship 995 dual core extreme edition which is $1100 but is still slower than a AMD FX4000."
Sounds like an AMD man to me..funny he use to be running Pentiums all the time, why do you think he switched after the Northwoods were done.

BTW. How do you post your system specs under your posts?
 
dlenart said:
This is what my dad says: "Nobody likes the 775 "Pin" processor. They run to hot and are actually slower than the 478 conter part even if they have 512MB more level 2 cache. The only thing decent that Intel has is there flagship 995 dual core extreme edition which is $1100 but is still slower than a AMD FX4000."
Sounds like an AMD man to me..funny he use to be running Pentiums all the time, why do you think he switched after the Northwoods were done.
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"Nobody likes the 775" It's newer! It runs cooler! It clocks higher! It's dual core (for the most part)! The majority of mobos for it support PCI-E! :rolleyes:
Go to User CP>edit signature.
 
dlenart said:
This is what my dad says: "Nobody likes the 775 "Pin" processor. They run to hot and are actually slower than the 478 conter part even if they have 512MB more level 2 cache. The only thing decent that Intel has is there flagship 995 dual core extreme edition which is $1100 but is still slower than a AMD FX4000."
Sounds like an AMD man to me..funny he use to be running Pentiums all the time, why do you think he switched after the Northwoods were done.
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S478, and Northwood are DEAD.

If he doesn't like lga775, fine...But isn't the next generation AMD socket going to a similar pin-less design like the lga775?

Northwood was killed for a reason, Intel had a difficult time scaling it beyond 3.4-3.6ghz.

It doesn't matter if a Northwood clock-for-clock is faster than a Prescott because you can only buy Prescott based processors. Anyone who builds a new S478 system now is stupid.
 
And you are extremely happy with the speed and stability of your system but the only reason you want to upgrade is for PCI-Express based graphics cards... Seriously my CPU does everything I ask and it even lets me OC her to 3.2.
I am looking at the Intel sites and see two chips that I can probably afford:
Pentium D - This is there Dual core line right?
Pentium 4 Hyper Threading- All Prescotts now?
Extreme edition looks nice, but I can't buy that.
 
dlenart said:
Pentium D - This is there Dual core line right?
Pentium 4 Hyper Threading- All Prescotts now?
Extreme edition looks nice, but I can't buy that.
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Pentium D
5xx: Single Core, 32-bit, 90nm
6xx: Single Core, 64-bit, 90nm
8xx: Dual Core, 64-bit, 90nm
9xx: Dual Core, 64-bit, 65nm
 
dlenart said:
And you are extremely happy with the speed and stability of your system but the only reason you want to upgrade is for PCI-Express based graphics cards...
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Your only option for keeping your 478 CPU and adding PCI-express is the 915 board from Albatron. but that was already answered in your other thread.


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sac_tagg said:
Okay. Intel has two sockets, the old (s478) and the new (LGA775). Northwoods are the old cores, they run cool and are 130nm. They tend to overclock well, but have been known to suddenly die if overvolted too much. Prescotts are the new core, they run hotter and are 90nm. They overclock very well, but due to their hot nature you need some decent cooling to get a good overclock. Really, I wouldn't worry about it.

Oh yeah, don't buy that CPU from your dad. For $300 you could get a new 920 dual-core, which runs very cool at 65nm and overclocks like a demon. Your dad's CPU isn't worh more than $150 max.
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I diasagree. 3.4Cs are extremly rare and thier price reflects it. While the one I had didnt overclock worth a damn, I still got over $300 for it on ebay. I have been looking for another one, mainly due to the fact that my wife's dell uses 478 and I wanted to max out her system.

I wouldnt pay over $225 for one either.

@acascianelli

Some people still use 478 systems for a varity of tasks. I prefer my encoding computers on socket 478, because the parts are extremly cheap relative to their performace, and they are an extremly mature platform. Just because some technology isnt top of the line doesnt mean its crap.
 
dlenart said:
This is what my dad says: "Nobody likes the 775 "Pin" processor. They run to hot and are actually slower than the 478 conter part even if they have 512MB more level 2 cache. The only thing decent that Intel has is there flagship 995 dual core extreme edition which is $1100 but is still slower than a AMD FX4000."
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your dad is ignorant.

they dont run that hot, and a 9XX series OCed (these things can hit 4ghz on STOCK air sometimes...) are plenty fast. sure, they might lose a few percentage points to AMD chips, but who cares? oh, and current single core prescotts have 2mb l2, not 1mb. the 9xx series has 2mb per core, so 4mb total.

i currently have an X2 based system. TBH, im getting quite fucking sick of NV's chipsets, nothing since NF2 has been able to run ghost, and it just hosed my entire windows install.
 
Hey spaz! I'll e-bay you my chip for $300. Pfffttthahahahahaaaaaaa

But seriously, I wouldn't ask for more than $150-175 for this thing. Old tech.
 
yea, seriously... don't get that. 300 bucks is a friggen rip off. get a 920 Pressler 2.8Ghz dual core.. I"ve seen people oc it up to about 5Ghz on air... for $266 at newegg... whatever your dad says about prescot... like what everyone else said, why would you buy old technology? Computers have new equipment everyday, and it's always a jump up. save those 88 bucks for a newer motherboard or a graphics card. That P4 Northwood ain't worth 300..... my 3.0Ghz 630 clocks to 3.4 easy
 
Spazilton said:
@acascianelli

Some people still use 478 systems for a varity of tasks. I prefer my encoding computers on socket 478, because the parts are extremly cheap relative to their performace, and they are an extremly mature platform. Just because some technology isnt top of the line doesnt mean its crap.
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I didn't mean to say it was crap, 2 of my systems are s478 and I totally agree that it is a mature platform. I think that just now with the i975 is lga775 becoming as mature as the i875 and i865 was. But, if I were to build a new system TODAY, I would not build a s478 system of any kind.
 
acascianelli said:
I didn't mean to say it was crap, 2 of my systems are s478 and I totally agree that it is a mature platform. I think that just now with the i975 is lga775 becoming as mature as the i875 and i865 was. But, if I were to build a new system TODAY, I would not build a s478 system of any kind.
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Gotcha now. When I find 478 parts for a really good deal, I still like to put together encoding systems with them. You would be amazed how many DVDs per day you can encode with 3 or 4 P4 at around 3.6 or higher :p
 
I have a Northwood, it has served me well, but it isn't the end all be all, granted, it as early release, but it OCs for shit, rated at 2.4 and craps out at 2.7.

Prescott isnt bad, yeah they run hotter, but at least you get HT. The place to be is Presler right right, a 920 will run you less than 300 and OC to 4.5 on air.
 
NulloModo said:
but it OCs for shit, rated at 2.4 and craps out at 2.7.
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To each his own...I'm running my 2.4C at 3.4, and that considered to be only a little above average for 2.4C's. I've seen many at 3.6 and above, and I've seen many 30cap 3.0C's at or above 4.0ghz.
 
Love my Northwood here and haven't been persuaded to upgrade by anything that has come out since. Conroe looks to be my next purchase but I will wait for some real world reviews first.
 
acascianelli said:
To each his own...I'm running my 2.4C at 3.4, and that considered to be only a little above average for 2.4C's. I've seen many at 3.6 and above, and I've seen many 30cap 3.0C's at or above 4.0ghz.
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Yeah. but that is 2.4b vs 2.4c can't remember which I have, but it is the one that sucks,
 
I wouldn't go as far as to say his Dad is ignorant; he's actually 2/3's right. The Northwoods are much better than their Prescott counterparts, of which the majority of the LGA775 processors are now. On the Presler, it might be a different story.
 
NulloModo said:
I have a Northwood, it has served me well, but it isn't the end all be all, granted, it as early release, but it OCs for shit, rated at 2.4 and craps out at 2.7.

Prescott isnt bad, yeah they run hotter, but at least you get HT. The place to be is Presler right right, a 920 will run you less than 300 and OC to 4.5 on air.
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Northwoods also had HT. The 3.06/533 had HT, and all the 800FSB versions had it also.
 
ajm786 said:
I wouldn't go as far as to say his Dad is ignorant; he's actually 2/3's right. The Northwoods are much better than their Prescott counterparts, of which the majority of the LGA775 processors are now. On the Presler, it might be a different story.
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much better? I really wish people would stop saying that. First off, the high end northwoods consumed just about as much power as a prescott did, even when they were first released. The reason the pressy ran so much hotter was the die size, which became a compltely *mute* point when the prescott 2m came out. the northwood core might have been better when prescott was introduced, which i will not argue because i think it was, but the prescott has now surpassed northwood.
 
lithium726 said:
2.4b is 533, 2.4C is 800/HT, vanilla 2.4 is 400, 2.4A is prescott 533/512/no HT.
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The Prescott 2.4A has 1mb of L2.

P4 2.4: Northwood 0.13nm / 400FSB / 512kb Cache
P4 2.4A: Prescott 0.09nm / 533FSB / 1mb Cache
P4 2.4B: Northwood 0.13nm / 533FSB / 512kb Cache
P4 2.4C: Northwood 0.13nm / 800FSB / 512kb Cacke / HT
 
$300 can buy so much more like a Presler 920 D ($260), thats dual core and can hit 4Ghz! (like the one in my sig)

But the 3.4C's are rare, & people like them for maxing out old 865/875 stock systems (IE: like an old Dell 4600) that don't have overclocking options, and they do run cooler than the equivalent socket 478 Prescott 3.4E.

But for $300, there's a lot better investments.
Like this combo:
Asus P5WD2 - $158 (or Refurb for $120)
+a Pentium 631 $189 (cedar mill 65nm) = will hit 4.5Ghz

Ok so its $350, but its a chip + motherboard & will be a MUCH MUCH faster system, that you could upgrade to dual core later when the 900's prices drop drastically in a few months. But with the refurbed motherboard its only $310.
 
acascianelli said:
The Prescott 2.4A has 1mb of L2.

P4 2.4: Northwood 0.13nm / 400FSB / 512kb Cache
P4 2.4A: Prescott 0.09nm / 533FSB / 1mb Cache
P4 2.4B: Northwood 0.13nm / 533FSB / 512kb Cache
P4 2.4C: Northwood 0.13nm / 800FSB / 512kb Cacke / HT
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doh, sorry. was thinking about the 2.26.
 
But the 3.4C's are rare, & people like them for maxing out old 865/875 stock systems (IE: like an old Dell 4600) that don't have overclocking options, and they do run cooler than the equivalent socket 478 Prescott 3.4E.
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You nailed it, thats why thier price is still high.
 
acascianelli said:
The Prescott 2.4A has 1mb of L2.

P4 2.4: Northwood 0.13nm / 400FSB / 512kb Cache
P4 2.4A: Prescott 0.09nm / 533FSB / 1mb Cache
P4 2.4B: Northwood 0.13nm / 533FSB / 512kb Cache
P4 2.4C: Northwood 0.13nm / 800FSB / 512kb Cacke / HT
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Doh upon second check I have a 2.4b, 512K cache, 533 NSB, no HT guess I bought a dog. Hell, it was a hell of lot faster than the K6-2 450 I had at the time.
 
Get the 775 setup. Grab either a 600 or 900 series proc. preferably 900 series.

==> Get a scythe ninja (plus a nice sanyo denki) or better yet get water cooling.

oc it > 4ghz.

The deal with the prescott design is that it was design to operate way over 4ghz hence the football field length pipeline which requires high clocks to keep itself feed. As soon as you go over roughly 4.1/4.2ghz with a precott it slams the northwood clock for clock.

This slaming gets better and better the more u oc it.

If you have a scythe ninja or water you will easy hit 4.5 to 4.8 on a 900 series. Then you can turn around and bitch slap ur dad for ne thing that makes you happy :)
 
NulloModo said:
Doh upon second check I have a 2.4b, 512K cache, 533 NSB, no HT guess I bought a dog. Hell, it was a hell of lot faster than the K6-2 450 I had at the time.
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i have a 2.4b running at 3.2G now but it's only limited by the damn agp clock which won't lock down. (i wish that someone would start a thread about how asus's supposedly agp/pci 'lock' doesn't lock).

the northwoods were pretty much all good overclockers esp compared with their willamette predecessors that couldn't even oc 100MHz.
 
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