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nforce 4 / sli comes to intel

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so is there ever gona be an Intel SLI option for us DDR users that have way way too much $$ invested in performance DDR and refuse to sell it and buy that DDR2 with way way way too high of timings...????
 
In a perfect world yes, but I doubt they would make a model supporting "outdated" ram now that DDR2 is out, depsite its timings :rolleyes:
 
personally, if i were to go SLI, i would go with AMD hands down. becuase SLI = pure gaming goodness. and AMD's are better for games, as where Intels are much better for multitasking.
 
Yea I was thinking same thing, unless your getting SLI for long term benifits... and going Intel for desktop speeds
 
well... i already have an AMD 64 3200+ system with an SLI board...
but ive got too much time and money invested in my primary computer (P4 3.4ghz) to give up on intel....
before this rig... my primary rig was AMD for 2 years.... amd had its time in the sun.... now its intel time again... ;-)
 
Vapor1000 said:
well... i already have an AMD 64 3200+ system with an SLI board...
but ive got too much time and money invested in my primary computer (P4 3.4ghz) to give up on intel....
before this rig... my primary rig was AMD for 2 years.... amd had its time in the sun.... now its intel time again... ;-)
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lol hehe, yeah i think intel is really coming back strong.
 
if they manage to make a combination with the best of dothan (low power, efficient) with northwood (good clocks, strong in media) they would have an unstoppable chip in their hands.. however being strong in media apps means you have to be less efficient elsewhere, and more clocks means more power, so sadly eveythign is a tradeoff.
but if they manage to do that and keep prices down, i just may consider switching over to a dual core intel rig.. price/performance is key for me though :eek:
 
Very cool actually, although I highly doubt that nVIDIA's SLI option is going to be worth a damn. Every time that has been attempted after Voodoo 2 days it has been screwed up, with drivers inevitably being the problem. Seeing as how nVIDIA has an incredibly poor driver kit record I think they are going to botch this every bit as much as they botched the FX series and 3DFX botched the Voodoo 5 (and I had one of those).

I have no doubt nVIDIA put their 200 3DFX engineers to work on this project and I give it one chance in a thousand of being successful.
 
Hate_Bot said:
is that board BTX?
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Nope, looks like ATX to me. The PCI-Express and other slots are on the same side as the socket, and the RAM and power/ide connectors are on the opposite side. That's ATX, unless I'm badly mistaken.
 
n64man120 said:
Yea I was thinking same thing, unless your getting SLI for long term benifits... and going Intel for desktop speeds
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How is going with an Intel SLI setup going to be better than an AMD SLI setup for "long term benefits"?

or did I not understand you
 
n64man120 said:
Yea I was thinking same thing, unless your getting SLI for long term benifits... and going Intel for desktop speeds
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Think you'll be able to afford Dual Core Athlons? If one 2.4 with 1MB costs ______ then how much do you think a Dual Core or two 2.4GHz will cost?

Dual 2.8GHz MSRP of $240, from the INQ.

Donnie27
 
needmorecarnitine said:
How is going with an Intel SLI setup going to be better than an AMD SLI setup for "long term benefits"?

or did I not understand you
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Well since your going Intel you get more snappyness @ desktop level alot of people prefer. As far as long term goes, there's 2 theorys now about how to look at SLI. Either to have the sickest rig out there, or the following... You buy 1 decent card now, a year or 2 from now rather than shelling out a ton of cash for a whole new card, you get a second of the original which is down in price by now. Hence yielding you around a 70% performance boost for alot less cost.
 
n64man120 said:
Well since your going Intel you get more snappyness @ desktop level alot of people prefer.
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but you would get that with or without SLI

n64man120 said:
As far as long term goes, there's 2 theorys now about how to look at SLI. Either to have the sickest rig out there, or the following... You buy 1 decent card now, a year or 2 from now rather than shelling out a ton of cash for a whole new card, you get a second of the original which is down in price by now. Hence yielding you around a 70% performance boost for alot less cost.
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I don't see how that has anything to do with Intel
 
needmorecarnitine said:
How is going with an Intel SLI setup going to be better than an AMD SLI setup for "long term benefits"?

or did I not understand you
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AMD Socket 939 will be compat Dual Core Athlon64s, Socket 775 i925s will not. Even the next 65nm Dothan based Dual Core chips are rumored to have Socket 771, Socket 775 and the new Intel nForce 4 and i955X becomes dead ended as well. The Inquirer had rumors of AMD with new sockets. Intel showed slides of Socket 771.

Yonah and its Desktop Brother are the real Intel Dual Core smart geeks are waiting on.

Donnie27
 
Donnie27 said:
AMD Socket 939 will be compat Dual Core Athlon64s, Socket 775 i925s will not. Even the next 65nm Dothan based Dual Core chips are rumored to have Socket 771, Socket 775 and the new Intel nForce 4 and i955X becomes dead ended as well. The Inquirer had rumors of AMD with new sockets. Intel showed slides of Socket 771.

Yonah and its Desktop Brother are the real Intel Dual Core smart geeks are waiting on.

Donnie27
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OK. But that means that AMD would be better for "long term benefits" because you don't have to change motherboards
 
needmorecarnitine said:
OK. But that means that AMD would be better for "long term benefits" because you don't have to change motherboards
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No, you did have to changed boards, chipset weren't always compatible even when the socket stayed the same. That makes that whole thing about "AMD stuck to the same socket" moot! Same goes for Intel, they seem to match eachother's steps pretty well.

Donnie
 
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21929

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And the latest roadmaps show Intel is sticking to its last on the 840, the 830 and the 820 microprocessors, which aren't enabled for hyperthreading, do have two sets of 1MB cache, and will cost $530, $315, and $240 respectively. These Intel will call the Pentium D - for Different, with a new logo to Distinguish them from the others.

These have 800MHz front side buses, like the 840 Pentium Extreme Edition - without the number four, you will note. Intel is now projecting the launch of its 670 Pentium 4, which is HT enabled, and clocks at 3.8GHz for the second quarter too, at a price of $850.

It is projecting price cuts for the 6XX family during the third quarter of this year, with the 670 falling to $600 or so then. Other 6XX members will also see a price drop in August.
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820 = 2.8GHz that Anand got pretty good results with it.

Donnie
 
Donnie27 said:
No, you did have to changed boards, chipset weren't always compatible even when the socket stayed the same. That makes that whole thing about "AMD stuck to the same socket" moot! Same goes for Intel, they seem to match eachother's steps pretty well.

Donnie
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What are you talking about? Did AMD say that you have to switch to a new motherboard to use a dual core cpu?
 
Donnie27 said:
No, you did have to changed boards, chipset weren't always compatible even when the socket stayed the same. That makes that whole thing about "AMD stuck to the same socket" moot! Same goes for Intel, they seem to match eachother's steps pretty well.

Donnie
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nForce4 will support dual core. Sorry, but you're wrong here. The K8 was made from the beginning to ultimately be a dual core CPU. The prescott, sadly, was not.
 
robberbaron said:
nForce4 will support dual core. Sorry, but you're wrong here. The K8 was made from the beginning to ultimately be a dual core CPU. The prescott, sadly, was not.
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your wrong, thats why the XE is 2 prescotts :rolleyes:
 
Redefined said:
your wrong, thats why the XE is 2 prescotts :rolleyes:
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Hahahahaha.

They glued two prescotts together to make dual core. If its really just two basic prescotts that were always able to do dual core, then why doesnt 925XE support dual core?
 
robberbaron said:
Hahahahaha.

They glued two prescotts together to make dual core. If its really just two basic prescotts that were always able to do dual core, then why doesnt 925XE support dual core?
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umm cuz thats how intel make all the money. see intel is way smarter than amd. they acually make new things. like chipsets etc...... when the first P4 came out, amd was fucked. so they had to come up with a 64bit cpu to beat intel :rolleyes:
 
Redefined said:
umm cuz thats how intel make all the money. see intel is way smarter than amd. they acually make new things. like chipsets etc...... when the first P4 came out, amd was fucked. so they had to come up with a 64bit cpu to beat intel :rolleyes:
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If you think 64 bit capability is all there is to the K8, then you need to do some more research. Actually, you need to do some research PERIOD.

Now, could you please try to answer my question? You went way off topic.
 
hahaha, that made me laugh

baron is right. everything in k8 has been in place for dual core, except the extra core. it appears that the link that would connect the two processors is already there... thus all we need is another core and an updated bios so the mobo doesn't to freak out.
 
needmorecarnitine said:
What are you talking about? Did AMD say that you have to switch to a new motherboard to use a dual core cpu?
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What the phuck you talkin' about? He said "Always" socket A/462 so are you going to run Dual Cores on a Socket A motherboards? How about those folks with Sc-754? I have a two year old system and there's no way I'd use that two year old board for a new build. New Board, wow, BFD!

Donnie27
 
robberbaron said:
nForce4 will support dual core. Sorry, but you're wrong here. The K8 was made from the beginning to ultimately be a dual core CPU. The prescott, sadly, was not.
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BFD, nForce4 Intel Edition will support Dual Core as well, Whoopty Doo! This whole AMD was built to be Dual Core from the beginning is nothing but a bunch of Fan Boi crap that stinks more than Cat Poop! The end result is not much different than Intel's, two A64's slapped together, not truely Dual Cores Blended into the Die as one using the same L2. Or even both taking orders from one L1.

Meanwhile, I'm waiting on Venice, so I'll need new a new motherboard anyway LOL! I didn't want to post that in the "Intel" side of the forum. I see many AMD Fans here who don't have any......., oh well.

Donnie
 
Donnie27 said:
BFD, nForce4 Intel Edition will support Dual Core as well, Whoopty Doo! This whole AMD was built to be Dual Core from the beginning is nothing but a bunch of Fan Boi crap that stinks more than Cat Poop! The end result is not much different than Intel's, two A64's slapped together, not truely Dual Cores Blended into the Die as one using the same L2. Or even both taking orders from one L1.

Meanwhile, I'm waiting on Venice, so I'll need new a new motherboard anyway LOL! I didn't want to post that in the "Intel" side of the forum. I see many AMD Fans here who don't have any......., oh well.

Donnie
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It makes no difference to me really. It's just amusing that people get 925XE for a great upgrade path, and, oh, Intel didnt put dual core support in it. Meanwhile, people on 939 dont have to buy new motherboards for dual core. EVERYONE on 775 will. Once both are out in the mainstream, we will see which one was better for the task of multicores.
 
Donnie27 said:
What the phuck you talkin' about? He said "Always" socket A/462 so are you going to run Dual Cores on a Socket A motherboards? How about those folks with Sc-754?
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though i don't know if any mobo's will ever support it, amd plans to make a dual core turion. at the moment, turion is a s754 part.
as for socketA.. hehe, if you have one of those, you need a new mobo anyway
 
Basicly, 925 is Intel's current chipset for Presscots but it will not support Dual Core. The upcomming 955 will support Dual Core. Also the new Nforce4 chipset will support dual core as well, correct? Just wanted to confirm all the information I have gathered. It seems that with the Nforce4 out now, getting a 925 is not a wise upgrade path.
 
n64man120 said:
Basicly, 925 is Intel's current chipset for Presscots but it will not support Dual Core. The upcomming 955 will support Dual Core. Also the new Nforce4 chipset will support dual core as well, correct? Just wanted to confirm all the information I have gathered. It seems that with the Nforce4 out now, getting a 925 is not a wise upgrade path.
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I agree 90%! The other 10%? There are a few exceptions though. There are cheaper i925 and 915's out there. There are also 915's that are more flexible. There's one DFI I looked at that used DDR1, one even used APG and yet another that shipped with DDR1 and 2 slots. So folks who aren't interested in Dual Core for whatever reason, could still used this, I wouldn't though. IMHO, it should have had 478 Northwood support.

This could be directed at both of these companies as they fly through chipsets and sockets. Who still wants to hold on to their nForce3 (any of the 4 within this line) while nForce4 (at least 3 levels) is out there? It's said that 85% of DIYers upgrade mobo and processor anyway, 70% even update RAM. I don't like DDR2 in its current form. nForce 3 was updated to 4 in less time than Socket 423's 1 year. Then we'll see socket M2, 771 and the march continues.

Last but not least, i945 and i955 ship with improvements, they're not the same as i925X/XE (a joke as well). These ship with an improved memory controller, ICH-7, slightly improve integrated sound, and etc...

Donnie27
 
robberbaron said:
It makes no difference to me really. It's just amusing that people get 925XE for a great upgrade path, and, oh, Intel didnt put dual core support in it. Meanwhile, people on 939 dont have to buy new motherboards for dual core. EVERYONE on 775 will. Once both are out in the mainstream, we will see which one was better for the task of multicores.
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Unless you've been under a rock, you'd know that there aren't that many folks running out and buying 925. Then see my other post about older mobos? Example, there's NO SLI support on nForce3 150 or 250. Should we trash nVidia for not having this feature at that time*? i955 will ship with SLI as well. Do you think it is also wrong for i925XE to not have SLI support as well? Features are Features and they're time released for profits, all companies are doing it! If they sold you the absolute best for the long term, they'd loose Billions, that includes AMD as well=P

Donnie27
 
wow.... this has turned into quite the flame thread....
now why dont the amd people go back to their corner (forum), and the intel people stay in their corner (forum)... and we will all be 1 big happy famaly...
 
Redefined said:
umm cuz thats how intel make all the money. see intel is way smarter than amd. they acually make new things. like chipsets etc...... when the first P4 came out, amd was fucked. so they had to come up with a 64bit cpu to beat intel :rolleyes:
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:p

the Willamette (the first P4) was regarded as inferior to the Pentium 3 and Athlon by almost everyone.
 
Donnie27 said:
What the phuck you talkin' about? He said "Always" socket A/462 so are you going to run Dual Cores on a Socket A motherboards? How about those folks with Sc-754? I have a two year old system and there's no way I'd use that two year old board for a new build. New Board, wow, BFD!

Donnie27
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We are talking about what to get now, you dummy. Why would someone think that a dual core Opteron will run on their socket 7 board? If Intel's current boards support dc cpus then you could say they are on equal footing (at least in terms of having to upgrade motherboards for dual core) with AMD's boards
 
needmorecarnitine said:
We are talking about what to get now, you dummy. Why would someone think that a dual core Opteron will run on their socket 7 board? If Intel's current boards support dc cpus then you could say they are on equal footing (at least in terms of having to upgrade motherboards for dual core) with AMD's boards
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First of all you Dumbass, it was an A and B conversation, why don't you see your way the hell out of it, geesh!

Donnie27
 
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