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Nexus 10
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Erasmus354
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You will not see a microSD slot on any Apple, Amazon or Google tablets anytime soon. They are all in the cloud content business. They don't want people off loading lots of content, they want to drive people into their ecosystem and consume their content from the cloud. That is where their true profit margins are, and how they plan/hope to keep long term customers by integrating them into the ecosystem.
Front camera yes (video chat), rear camera perhaps, HD screen yes (requirement now that KF 8.9" has it), GPS perhaps, JellyBean no (Android 4.2 Key Lime Pie is coming soon).
Some info about Key Lime Pie (two links).
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...e-Nexus-7-already-running-Android-4.2_id35244
http://www.phonearena.com/news/5.2-...-outed-including-battery-improvements_id35241
+1.
Some info about Key Lime Pie (two links).
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...e-Nexus-7-already-running-Android-4.2_id35244
http://www.phonearena.com/news/5.2-...-outed-including-battery-improvements_id35241
You will not see a microSD slot on any Apple, Amazon or Google tablets anytime soon. They are all in the cloud content business. They don't want people off loading lots of content, they want to drive people into their ecosystem and consume their content from the cloud. That is where their true profit margins are, and how they plan/hope to keep long term customers by integrating them into the ecosystem.
+1.
Drawmonster
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What's the rumored release date for this? Ready to sell my Ipad 2 angle get one.
Nook is where you should be looking if you want an SD slot. HD+ Slate looks sweet and has the highest resolution behind the iPad. No camera, but I'd rather have the SD anyway.
Looks like no BT or GPS, either. It does look nice at that price, but I want BT and GPS as well. Also, the heavy skin is an issue. I'd rather have a 9-inch Nexus without the slot if I can get more of the features I want without the need to root and install rom.
Drawmonster
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9"-10" Nexus with AOKP. Can't wait.
Looks like no BT or GPS, either. It does look nice at that price, but I want BT and GPS as well. Also, the heavy skin is an issue. I'd rather have a 9-inch Nexus without the slot if I can get more of the features I want without the need to root and install rom.
It has BT, but no GPS.
Am I the only one hoping that there is no Nexus 10? I mean, the last thing Android needs is yet another zero-profit device torpedoing all the other OEMs. We've already had the entirely-mediocre Kindle Fire displace half of the Android tablet market -- and probably just about all of the 7" device market.
Much as I like getting gadgets on the cheap, I'd much rather see Google partner with the OEMs to release dev editions of their tablets with AOSP firmware.
Much as I like getting gadgets on the cheap, I'd much rather see Google partner with the OEMs to release dev editions of their tablets with AOSP firmware.
Then the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 walks away with the show.
Maybe. But the way to combat that isn't to go, "How are we going to deal with Amazon dumping product to shoehorn their way into the market and destroying profit margins? By dumping more product onto the market with even less profit margin!"
Compete on features. Compete on functionality. Compete on marketing. Compete on culture. Just don't jump head-first into the same race-to-the-bottom that turned the consumer computer market into the roiling shit-storm that it's become.
If making OEMs give a shit means padding their per-unit profit out, then I'm all for it. Let Amazon turn into the bargain brand with the crappy UI. I want to be able to walk into the tablet section of a brick-and-mortar store and be able to say, "You know, some of these tablets look decent enough that I'd be willing to buy them." I can't say that when I walk into the laptop section of the local Best Buy -- there's nothing to be seen but plasticky Dell/HP/Toshiba garbage with terrible TN panels.
Am I the only one hoping that there is no Nexus 10? I mean, the last thing Android needs is yet another zero-profit device torpedoing all the other OEMs. We've already had the entirely-mediocre Kindle Fire displace half of the Android tablet market -- and probably just about all of the 7" device market.
Much as I like getting gadgets on the cheap, I'd much rather see Google partner with the OEMs to release dev editions of their tablets with AOSP firmware.
Because anyone willing to pay more than about $300 for a tablet already has an iPad. Since these platforms are like video game consoles (conduits by which to sell more software) companies have realized they don't need to make profit on the device if they can make profit from the digital goods sold. It's only Apple right now that can have their cake and eat it too as they continue to rake in massive profits on both the devices and the software sales as a result of their incredibly strong software ecosystem. No OEM can compete without having a digital store to go along with the device, which is why Amazon, B&N and Google are all fighting each other for the same territory and the other OEMs without their own software stores continue to release overpriced and under-featured devices. Microsoft wants to mimic Apple's approach with the Surface (profit on both the hardware and software) so if you are looking for a high end device that's not Apple, that's where your eyes should be.
Because anyone willing to pay more than about $300 for a tablet already has an iPad. Since these platforms are like video game consoles (conduits by which to sell more software) companies have realized they don't need to make profit on the device if they can make profit from the digital goods sold. It's only Apple right now that can have their cake and eat it too as they continue to rake in massive profits on both the devices and the software sales as a result of their incredibly strong software ecosystem. No OEM can compete without having a digital store to go along with the device, which is why Amazon, B&N and Google are all fighting each other for the same territory and the other OEMs without their own software stores continue to release overpriced and under-featured devices. Microsoft wants to mimic Apple's approach with the Surface (profit on both the hardware and software) so if you are looking for a high end device that's not Apple, that's where your eyes should be.
Someday people are going to finally get that there is no real money in app stores -- not even Apple's.
According to Apple's latest earnings, they paid $5.5 billion to app devs last quarter. That puts total revenue from their app store at $8 billion, of which Apple's gross cut is $2.4 billion. From that comes credit card processing fees, infrastructure, and hosting -- as well as subsidized hosting for all of the free apps. Apple's said that their app store runs barely north of break-even, but let's say that they were understating that for public good will. If they got to keep even $1 billion of that in the end, I'd be incredibly surprised.
And at the end of the day, that'd still merely be beer money to Apple, because their revenue from iOS devices and accessories is about $26 billion, of which I roughly calculated a while ago that their net profit is 30% -- somewhere around $8 billion.
Google's app store isn't terribly impressive, as numbers that I can find put its revenue at less than half of Apple's. Judging by relative app prices and culture, the relative percentage of Google's cut eaten by costs is likely higher than Apple's, which means their profits on their app store are probably a third of Apple's at best. Google no-doubt makes more from in-app Adsense advertising than they do on the actual sale of said apps -- which is the point. They make their money from people peddling cheap Canadian Viagra and "this one easy weight loss trick found by a mom." (Anyone else want to just slap that "mom"? And her "child"? Of course, that'd mean actually touching the skeevy basement-dwelling man-child pretending to be said "mom".)
The only other player of significance would be Amazon. Since they appear to do their damnedest to avoid turning a profit, I can't see that doing much more than breaking even,. Honestly, beyond gobbling up market share, I don't know what the hell Amazon's doing. They don't seem to be gaining anything from it, besides girth.
Well. Long story short, app stores make no profit -- or at least, not the kind of profit that keeps multinationals afloat. Devices make profit. And if Google helps Amazon torpedo all of its OEMs with no-profit devices, then the tablet space will turn into a retread of the consumer computer space.
App stores make no profit, yet developers got $5.5 billion, and Apple got $8+ on devices. Right.
What good is a device, without apps, and content?
Correct. App store also ignores iTunes sales which are measured in billions of dollars as well. Google is barely hanging on to developers due to their fragmented ecosystem (especially for high-end software like games) and Microsoft isn't even trying to court them (many MS certified partners should have been sent free WinRT tablets months ago). Until an affordable tablet comes along that runs ARM Linux or x86 Windows, they need custom software written for them.
Also, there's plenty of money in app stores and that money gets spread around. Apple can't hire $8 billion dollars worth of developers, but they effectively have an $8 billion workforce churning out software for them. That's more than most video game consoles, and those have been operating on this model for years.
Does Asus or Samsung manufacture the devices in their own factories or they contract them out to others?
I ask because the Nexus 7 seems to be in short supply (at least here in Tokyo, where it's always out of stock in retail stores). And if Asus is hard pressed to satisfy demand for the Nexus 7, adding the Nexus 10 to their load wouldn't be a good idea.
I ask because the Nexus 7 seems to be in short supply (at least here in Tokyo, where it's always out of stock in retail stores). And if Asus is hard pressed to satisfy demand for the Nexus 7, adding the Nexus 10 to their load wouldn't be a good idea.