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Next Generation Gaming: Fight Night. *pics*
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Yeah it does, LOLrcf1987 said:
I bet 5 bucks, thats not even a screen shot from the game engine... its most likley a screen shot of a 3d cut scene. That is way to high ploy for any console system, and even PC for that matter, thats gotta be a at least 10,000 ploys in there which is over the limit of most full models, body and all. In the ear alone, theres gotta be 300 triangles alone. Don't get your hopes up.
its all speculation, but from what ive seen in the Unreal engine 3 stuff, i dont see why this stuf wouldnt be possible.pistola said:
about the polies, they could have used some form of normal mapping to make it look more detailed than it actually is.
take this for example:
aprox 5k polies
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/character_creation2.jpg
with a source mesh of 2mil. polies
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/character_creation1.jpg
making it look more detailed w/ normal mapping
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/character_creation3.jpg
developers have been using this method for a while now so i dont see why they couldnt use it for next gen hardware. taking the above pics in consideration, and that they ran on current day hardware in real time (low fps i know, but it still ran), i dont see why its not possible on next generation hardware/consoles..
another example..
http://www.nofrag.com/screenshots/actualite/2004-08-03_2.jpg
i really dont see why it couldnt happen.
but like i said, its just all speculation until these companies start saying somthing
Bad_Boy said:its all speculation, but from what ive seen in the Unreal engine 3 stuff, i dont see why this stuf wouldnt be possible.
about the polies, they could have used some form of normal mapping to make it look more detailed than it actually is.
take this for example:
aprox 5k polies
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/character_creation2.jpg
with a source mesh of 2mil. polies
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/character_creation1.jpg
making it look more detailed w/ normal mapping
http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/character_creation3.jpg
developers have been using this method for a while now so i dont see why they couldnt use it for next gen hardware. taking the above pics in consideration, and that they ran on current day hardware in real time (low fps i know, but it still ran), i dont see why its not possible on next generation hardware/consoles..
another example..
http://www.nofrag.com/screenshots/actualite/2004-08-03_2.jpg
i really dont see why it couldnt happen.
but like i said, its just all speculation until these companies start saying somthing
Im a 3d animator/modeler, so I got a well trianed eye, and I know what I see. Those shots are high ploy count, not normal maped, although they are using some bump mapping to get that nice skin texture. As for the Unreal 3.0 engine, that is low ploy with normal maps from a high ploy referance model, it looks good, but I can see that its low ploy. That unreal 3.0 engine is gonna blow the head off of game graphics.
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Maybe a little, but its still too smoothed out to fit in the low ploy category, and its certainly not normal mapped.omega-x said:
This is from unreal 3.0, you can see that in the higy ploy ref model that shoulder peice is a pretty hard edge shaped, on the low ploy game model, the shape is much less coplex and not nearly as hard edged. When you see the final product, you see that the shape is there even with the normal map, thats cause normal maps fake ploys in essance and try to affect light accordingly. Normal maps are not perfect, they can't make something out of nothing which is why that shoulder peice doen't work out correctly.
Now on this model, in order to be a low ploy game model with normal mapping, that ear would have look much differant that it does. That is with out a doubt high ploy model, the way that ear effects the light, that tells me its all model and not normal maps. Thats my opinion.
What im saying is, i still dont see why you say thats not possible to be shots from a in game/engine rendering. Like i said if they are able to put that level of detail in the unreal engine i dont see why its not possible for next gen. I know what normal mapping is, i was just giving and example of how it would be possible to have high detail in something low poly (as you said the head model had to be 10k polies). its speculation on the number of polies but i know they wouldnt just waste them when they could use them in other places. We dont even know what the engine is capable of so why say it cant run it?
like i said from this example
this doesnt par up with that "fight night head" but it is certainly impressive, anyway..
the ear isnt really different from the head from the "fight night test render", just the one from the "fight night test render" is a bit higher poly it looks, so i dont really get your point on the ear. I never said it HAD to be normal mapped but it is possible to make normal mapping look that good if you know how to use it correctly. I just said that normal mapping techniques have been used alot recently so i wouldnt be surprized if they are using them in future generation of games to save polies. there could have been normal mapping used around the mouth, the eye area, bumps in his face, or not used at all, we dont know, i was just giving an example.
You are the one who said
or those videos from microsoft a while back with the car crashing into the wall like 20 times for example. All im saying is, that its possible.
I've modeled in the past also, so i have an eye for things too.
btw, nice circles + arrows
like i said from this example
this doesnt par up with that "fight night head" but it is certainly impressive, anyway..
the ear isnt really different from the head from the "fight night test render", just the one from the "fight night test render" is a bit higher poly it looks, so i dont really get your point on the ear. I never said it HAD to be normal mapped but it is possible to make normal mapping look that good if you know how to use it correctly. I just said that normal mapping techniques have been used alot recently so i wouldnt be surprized if they are using them in future generation of games to save polies. there could have been normal mapping used around the mouth, the eye area, bumps in his face, or not used at all, we dont know, i was just giving an example.
You are the one who said
, and i was just arguing to that statment. We really dont know what next generation consoles are capable of. I'll admit the possibility of it being a 3d pre-render from some nice program and not an engine, but i also admit it could be in real time in some future game engine. It could be either, we just dont know, but im just saying that model looks about as complex as the ones shown by Epic games at the nvidia conference with a few differences. for all we know this could be another render from EA on what they "think" next gen games will look like. remember the madden one that came out a while back....
I've modeled in the past also, so i have an eye for things too.
btw, nice circles + arrows
Bad_Boy said:I've modeled in the past also, so i have an eye for things too.
btw, nice circles + arrows
HaHa, thanks quick photohoping, right thurrr. You have a point, I really didn't take into consideration that this would be next gen consoles, my bad. But I'm still skeptical about it, I don't understand how the "next-gen hardware" would be able to render characters that are that high res. Guess we will see, I hope im wrong.
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That most likely a high poly model used for generating normal maps, no way thats something in game.