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New PC? or iBook?

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USMC2Hard4U

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Now before you just answer and say "get a new PC dummeh apple is teh suck" - Like i would say
Listen up for a min


I have abouts 2000$ to spend on computer related items...

should I upgrade my pc ( current rig below ) with LGZ775 Stuffs etc....

OR


Should I get a iBook instead...

I do not want a PC notebook before anyone says anything about it....
 
tell us what this is going to be used for?? gaming? school? etc. cant give you any hints unless you tell us what you want it for?

if its for gaming upgrade your pc.
do you need portability??
 
Well i am in the Marine Corps and I travel alot sorta...

but

Its for everything including playing some sort of game for entertainment.... even if its War Craft III

Or would a powerbook be better?


I play games on my current sysytem.. but is it that old and slow i need a upgrade within the next say 6 - 8 months? or could I wait till christmas?

Mobility would be nice... its just for everything... music, movis, AIM... etc... i guess. you know...
 
i'm all for the ibook
personally in a laptop i want a laptop, not a desktop that looks like a laptop. so to me, 12" is the only option. in which case, apple is fucked up the ass. the cheaper ibook has much more powerful graphics, but a stripped G4 (256kb verse 512kb L2 and 200MHz less). however, apples are no better than linux for gaming, if not worse, so that processor difference isn't going to make a huge difference. nor is the graphics card. a 600MHz G3 still works semiwell with 10.3, so the superior G4 would do fine, esp with upgraded speed. i would for sure upgrade to atleast 512MB/s memory, but i wouldn't buy it through apple - overpriced bastards.
>expect to pay for a shit load of bug fixes and minor version bumps cause aqua sucks and isn't backwards compatible at all :confused:

since you're obv not affraid of *nix systems, would you even consider linux to be an option? if so, you might look into an ibm centrino based notebook. or, get an ibook and put linux on it :D.
 
iBook definitely. Your desktop rig is pretty cool and should be fine for awhile.

The biggest difference between the iBook and the PowerBook is processor speeds, bus speed (PowerBook has faster bus), and PowerBooks go up to bigger screens. Both iBooks and PowerBooks start out with 12" monitors for the smallest ones.

Memory upgrades, through any computer manufacturer, is horrible. You could buy twice the amount of memory for the same price as the upgrade costs. Definitely do it aftermarket.


I would look at what games are available on Mac if you are considering using it for games. Macs, traditionally, don't have as many games available as you probably know.

I've actually considered getting a iBook for a new laptop. My current laptop is a PII266 Dell Latitude and is ready for trade in(though I can still play Total Annihilation on it, woot!!). I got to play around with one buddy's eMac and the operating system is interesting for the little time I used it. I'd go for the 12" monitor because, like MTB2Live, I like something small and extremely portable.

Mr.Dearthian
 
can the 1Ghz I Book run most of the Apple applications (at a fast speed) right now?



Cuz im a PC guy... i think 1Ghz... and im thinking 1999 - 2000

and its 2004.... you know what im sayin?
 
Originally posted by USMC2Hard4U
Cuz im a PC guy... i think 1Ghz... and im thinking 1999 - 2000
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Then why don't you just get a PC notebook?
 
So let me get this straight, you want something powerful enough to play games, but won't entertain the concept of an x86 based mobile? Just what is it that draws you to the iBook? Let's face it, the iBook and PowerBook are good for general use, but gaming? Or is gaming only a secondary consideration for you?
 
Gaming is like a 3rd thing on the list


#1 is Internet... chat, email... etc Office applications

#2 is pics, music, music making and DVD watching / burning CDs

#3 is games...
 
Well I guess you could go with iBook, but a nice Centrino or Pentium M notebook will do all that for less, plus you can run all the Windows based applications you want.
 
I would go for the ibook. Your current box is plenty fast, and all you will need is new video card for it when the next gens come out.
 
ppc architecture is pretty impressive, and when you pair that with the robust qualities of *nix, you come up with a solid fast system often regardless of the processor behind it. for your purposes, an 800 or 1GHz chip is enough. it's not gonna be impressive my any means, but it's not sluggish either.
<random tangent>
my second machine is a 300MHz p2 with 128MBs RAM. the UI looks much more polished than windows (3.1-XP), and yet the system is still snappy. i don't mean "it works" but actually responsive and quick. yes i've tuned it to be that way, but it's still on code from 2003/4. try putting the latest windows/applications onto it and it's a complete joke, even when visual-everything is turned way down and the registry tweaked.
</random tangent>
apple takes a lot of pride in their products (it's declining quickly tho, or atleast their respect for the customer base seems to be), and hence will work to keep you happy. do you pay for it? yeah. but i wouldn't have any reservations because it's "1GHz and i trashed my p3 lonnnnnnngggg ago." however, your p4 will still own the laptop any day :p
 
Comparing laptops and desktops seem kinda dumb, if you ask me. A desktop will always be more powerful (but don't quote me on that twenty years from now).


Originally posted by USMC2Hard4U
Cuz im a PC guy... i think 1Ghz... and im thinking 1999 - 2000
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I cannot stress this enough. The clock frequency means nothing unless you're comparing two processors with the same architecture that are used for the same things.


Anyhow, I'd say, go with the iBook. They're nice.
 
e-machine Athlon 64 mobile.. cna't go wrong with it. better then some mac. software is the main thing..
 
You asked this in Apple and didn't listen to any of the advice we gave you did you? :rolleyes:

I'd say if you get an Apple notebook go with the iBook, its nearly as capable as the powerbook but much less expensive. It's also more durable. For what the powerbook costs I expect better construction, higher performance and a better screen, however the iBook balances out well. It's a much better deal than the powerbooks are.

Your system looks pretty damn good, I don't know what you think you need to upgrade, maybe the video card but even that's pretty good.

As far as what you have against PC laptops, I don't know. The best laptops out there are PC laptops. For example IBM.
 
Originally posted by Unoid
e-machine Athlon 64 mobile.. cna't go wrong with it. better then some mac. software is the main thing..
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And which is best, software wise, for him, might be Mac rather than Windows. You don't really know what he intends to use it for, or his personal preference, and that's what it all boils down to in the end. There's pretty much nothing you can do on Windows that you can't do on a Mac, and vice versa. You just do them differently.


And from what I've heard, IBM makes the best laptops. Good battery time, incredibly sturdy, no-nonsense case, etc etc.
http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/003/t40/t40-1.html
 
nothing beats an iBooks stability. it will run forever without having to be formatted, re-installed, etc. they're quick as hell too. gaming is the only thing that is sub-par with them. other than that, awesome notebooks.

go for it man! :D
 
Originally posted by Black Morty Rackham
And which is best, software wise, for him, might be Mac rather than Windows. You don't really know what he intends to use it for, or his personal preference, and that's what it all boils down to in the end. There's pretty much nothing you can do on Windows that you can't do on a Mac, and vice versa. You just do them differently.


And from what I've heard, IBM makes the best laptops. Good battery time, incredibly sturdy, no-nonsense case, etc etc.
http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/003/t40/t40-1.html
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IBM -> yes and no. Best? Yes. Best for the price? No. WAY too much for most people. That new eMachine rocks for the dollar.
 
Originally posted by Unoid
e-machine Athlon 64 mobile.. cna't go wrong with it. better then some mac. software is the main thing..
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Some mac?

I'm one of the biggest supporters of the eMachine, and I STILL recommend the iBook for a lot of things. Get your stories straight before you start recommending things.
 
Most people who say "some mac" or "some PC" or whatever usually have NO clue about the system they're talking about.
Most people who think Macs are useless or that Windows crashes all the time has not used the system they're judging.
 
Originally posted by Black Morty Rackham
Most people who think Macs are useless or that Windows crashes all the time has not used the system they're judging.
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NOT trying to start a flame war or an argument here, this is a serious question:

What can a Mac do that a PC can't?
 
Originally posted by EnderW
NOT trying to start a flame war or an argument here, this is a serious question:

What can a Mac do that a PC can't?
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honestly Nothing. and neither can the PC do anything that a Mac can't.

It's all relative to what you want to do.
They both can check e-mail, watch movies, etc.

And yes, Macs can even play games. Just not as good as their PC counterparts, and there are less games available.
 
well you said not to say it, but for $2000 you could get a pretty good laptop thatd play WCIII and modern games at playable speeds
 
Originally posted by kronchev
well you said not to say it, but for $2000 you could get a pretty good laptop thatd play WCIII and modern games at playable speeds
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Are you talking Mac or PC? Because $2000 can get considerably more PC laptop than it can Mac.

Not saying this to put down Apple, I'd love an iBook for a little note taker/email thing to carry around (at least until i graduate/go to grad school and get an IBM T), but their laptops aren't the cheapest given the power.
 
Originally posted by EnderW
NOT trying to start a flame war or an argument here, this is a serious question:

What can a Mac do that a PC can't?
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Nothing, but they make a damn fine, ultra portable (ibook 12"). and for only $1000 starting price (With student discount).
 
Originally posted by EnderW
NOT trying to start a flame war or an argument here, this is a serious question:

What can a Mac do that a PC can't?
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(Assuming that by "PC" you mean a computer running Windows.)

It can run *nix software without rebooting. Personally, I prefer OpenOffice over Microsoft Office... but that's just me. I've had too many bad experiences with MS Office to want to use it again. Ever.

Some "pro" stuff... Shake, for instance, is MOSX exclusive. Not a big deal, either.

And some more stuff like this. No big deals. And there are some stuff like this that you can do on Windows that you can't do on MOSX. But again, the key word is it's no big deal, unless you intend to use it for something extremely specific.

For generic usage, there is nothing a Mac can do that a "PC" can't, and nothing a "PC" can do that a Mac can't.
 
I just don't see why I would spend $1000 on a Mac, when the same $1000 on a PC would get me more.

I think their iBooks and PowerBooks are nice stylsh, but other than that....?
 
Originally posted by EnderW
I just don't see why I would spend $1000 on a Mac, when the same $1000 on a PC would get me more.

I think their iBooks and PowerBooks are nice stylsh, but other than that....?
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The "more" is relative. Unless you actually NEED extreme clock speeds, why would you buy that? Higher clock speeds waste more power, too.
 
Centrino/Pentium M comes to mind. It has all of the "power" of the better Pentium 4-M solutions, but consumes much less actual power than the P4-M.
 
Why not a Transmeta, then? Or a G4, I suppose. They're both very low-power.


Anyhow, unless you're held back by an unresponsive system or something such (or you do heavy calculations such as games or 3d renderings or such), how fast you can work and how enjoyable it is is really the important thing. I work faster on a "slower" Mac than on the fastest Windows computer in the world, because the GUI is more compatible with me. It's just that damn simple, and anyone who tries to tell you anything else, you shouldn't listen to. :D
 
Yeah, pick the UI you're comfortable with. If I were picking a powerful but portable right now, I'd go for a centrino since i'm indifferent about the OS mainly. Better power and battery life than the g4 in my experience.

They're more powerful for reasons beyond having a higher mhz. Mhz for mhz, G4s, G5s, Centrinos and AMD processors do more than a P4 can. But the P4 has the higher clocks to make up for it basically.
 
I can understand the OS aspect of it. I've been using Windows since I was 12 years old, and a few weeks ago I was in the computer lab here at school and the had a Mac setup. I thought I would check it out, but it was incredibly slow just to boot up, and I didn't know how to do anything on it. Wheres the start button?!?!? So I logged off ASAP.
 
Originally posted by xonik
Centrino/Pentium M comes to mind. It has all of the "power" of the better Pentium 4-M solutions, but consumes much less actual power than the P4-M.
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For $1000? Good luck.
 
Originally posted by EnderW
I just don't see why I would spend $1000 on a Mac, when the same $1000 on a PC would get me more.

I think their iBooks and PowerBooks are nice stylsh, but other than that....?
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Like what? What are you going to get that is "more" for $1000?

Certainly not Centrino. Not battery life, then... Portability? Good luck.
 
Anyone know how that Music making program for the mac is? and how it runs?

Thanks...
 
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