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new DC Rig suggestions

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Aat0l

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Hi, looking to start up a new DC rig again, figured I'd look into what changed, whats the most cost effective rig, and what projects is [H] focusing on? still @home?

thanks,
 
Let me give this a little bump here...

I know the Threadrippers are a favourite, but as far as cost comparison, I don't know. I am running a bunch of Haswells lol, so my opinion is kinda moot.
 
Threadripper rigs are the best bang for the buck for DC. I know we still have folks folding, but I believe most of the activity is now on BOINC related projects.
 
Threadripper is certainly a mean machine. Unless you can get some Intel boxes super cheap... I wouldn't mess with AMD rigs pre Threadripper unless you are getting a really good deal on multi socket setups. Even then, the performance will depend on the project.
 
Yes new blood. Will write up a report when I'm not driving.
 
You can get TR 1950x off eBay for 610-650. Hard to beat that. The other thing I like about X399 is the amount of GPUs you can drive. Hardest thing to swallow is ram at this point but that goes for any platform at the moment.
 
As others have suggested, Thread Ripper is the sweet spot for bang/buck in CPU crunching. It would help to know your budget though. What are you currently using as your daily rig?

We don't really fool around with F@H anymore. Most of the active members run various BOINC projects and we compete in http://formula-boinc.org/ which is pretty fun. You should join us. Currently we are in 1st place, but XtremeSystems is trying to take it from us.
 
So for BOINC projects is gpu or cpu more important? I'm a little behind on an upgrade so it will be a total replacement and i'll only be able to scrounge enough money for either a nice cpu or a nice video card atm.

my old box in my closet only has a Intel 920 with a 460 and i think i can get something all purchased and assembled in September in thinking.
 
If you plan on supporting multiple projects within BOINC, I would go with a better CPU. nVidia should have new GPU's out later this year according to rumors. No telling what those will perform like until there is something to test with. Also, not all projects support GPU processing.
 
If you decide to do F@H gpu is the way to go, for example a GTX 1070 will pull 600k PPD and a 1080ti around 1.3m. For older hardware a 970 is 300k and a 980ti 500k. For BOINC i'll let the other chime in as i haven't got a clue.

I'm tempted to try a TR2 build on F@H, just to see what it can do.....
 
Like Gilthanis said you'll be better off getting a really good CPU for BOINC projects as not many BOINC projects utilize GPUs, but they all just about support CPU work. Then you can get a good GPU at a later date.

That 920 would do pretty decent with most CPU projects. In fact, you should go ahead and get your feet wet with BOINC projects now. I suggest starting with World Community Grid. It's one of the easier projects to sign up for, join the team and crunch with plenty of work.

Use this link to join. It'll automatically put you on the [H] team.
https://join.worldcommunitygrid.org?recruiterId=993628&teamId=BP5XNJBR9N1

Download BOINC from here though, don't use the outdated WCG one.
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php

World Community Grid does not run on GPUs, so your 460 will be idle while running this project. It's a fairly old GPU anyway and I'm not sure which BOINC projects will support it. No need to worry though.


Nathan_P we have a few guys on the BOINC team that have TR rigs. I would imagine one of them wouldn't mind tossing F@H on it to see what kind of PPD it gets. phoenicis might be willing to or RFGuy_KCCO who just put two together over the weekend. I wish you were on our BOINC team and put F@H on the bottom of the priority list. We could use you in these Sprints.
 
Skillz I have a TR system but i haven't got any of the newer a7 based wu and i've seen PPD for a 16 core at 260k PPD. Since i want to run these wu and my dual xeons don't cut it efficency wise i'm looking for an upgrade:)

As for joining BOINC well once i have my rigs finally consolidated i may lob a few cores that way but F@H will remain my main focus. Besides it would be a shame if what was once the mightiest team in F@H stopped producing, yes i get the drama but there is a legacy to look after(y)
 
We only need ya 4 days at a time 21 times a year.

[H] might have been a mighty power house for F@H back the day, but even that team couldn't dominate BOINC. Teams are much, much larger in the BOINC world.
 
If you have a TR system why don't you populate all the pci-e slots with GPUs? Doesn't F@H like GPUs? Add 4 GPUs, bam!
 
Suprised that an old bloomfield would still be worth running.
I'll pull it out of my closet this weekend and see if i can get it back up and in a working condition with what parts i got laying around.
 
Well it wont generate much points on WCG, but it'll help get your feet wet with the BOINC manager and setting up projects within' it. There are some projects that you can earn some decent points with, but we'll cover those later.
 
that i7 can still get quite a bit of work done with its 8 threads. Even if you only run it during contests due to efficiency, every bit add up.
 
And to be fair up front, you can't really compare points between projects anyways. So, best to focus on comparing what you are doing at that project compared to others at that project. Some projects grossly over pay credits while others grossly under pay. You will find that the 3 largest BOINC supported projects are also 3 of the lowest paying projects....
 
Looking into the threadripper so 650 for the proc, 300 for the board, 320 for the ram if i only put in DDR-2400 (might be a bad idea) , 50 for an ssd and hopefully can reused my old psu. (have to see if i have another eps modular cable.) So 1320 before a gpu and a cpu cooler. How much cooling do you need running it at 100% all the time?
 
I've read multiple posts about ThreadRipper taking advantage of the faster speed ram where-as many of the Intel offerings don't. You may want to consider going with the faster speeds for a few bucks more rather than over pay for the slower speeds. Ram prices are slowly coming down. Just my $.02.
 
Aat0l said:
Looking into the threadripper so 650 for the proc, 300 for the board, 320 for the ram if i only put in DDR-2400 (might be a bad idea) , 50 for an ssd and hopefully can reused my old psu. (have to see if i have another eps modular cable.) So 1320 before a gpu and a cpu cooler. How much cooling do you need running it at 100% all the time?
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What motherboard are you looking at?
 
tayunz said:
If you have a TR system why don't you populate all the pci-e slots with GPUs? Doesn't F@H like GPUs? Add 4 GPUs, bam!
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My TR system is my daily driver so only very occasional DC'ing on that. Plans currently are for a 3 gpu system with either a 4 core xeon or dual 12 core xeons (depends on power drawer) and a 32 core TR system. Run F@H on the GPU@S and TR2 and some BOINC on the other cpu(s).

For those looking at TR the faster the RAM the better, 3000 should be the minimum.
 
maybe could get DDR4-3200 if i drop my total memory down to 16GB 4x4, for $210. And probably should wait for the release of TR2 anyway.
 
I've yet to find a quad channel 16GB kit that is compatible with TR, all the 16GB kits i have found are intel only and not guaranteed to work. If i find any i'll let you know.
 
Don't buy a 4x4 kit. Buy a 2x8 kit so you can add more later without having to replace all the modules.
 
Question: (I know the [H]-answer is: 2x1950 )

1x1950 or 2x1900 for TR ?
1900 run 3.8; core count would be same ? Wonder what is smarter ?
 
ChristianVirtual said:
Question: (I know the [H]-answer is: 2x1950 )

1x1950 or 2x1900 for TR ?
1900 run 3.8; core count would be same ? Wonder what is smarter ?
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Depends on how many GPUs you need to run... 2 separate systems means moar GPUs...
 
How many watts a TR system pull from the wall under full load ? No GPU. Just 100% cores without OC
 
The TRs all appear to be 180w fully* cranked from the wall.

I would imagine really no more than 500w full system load sans any GPUs.

Edit: 180w stock. Like anyone would run that thing stock :D
 
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Aat0l said:
Suprised that an old bloomfield would still be worth running.
I'll pull it out of my closet this weekend and see if i can get it back up and in a working condition with what parts i got laying around.
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So pulled it out and dusted it out and tried to start it up but it will not POST. should have some time to figure it out tomorrow i'm thinking.
 
Aat0l said:
Isn't it quad channel wouldn't you take a performance hit without the 4 modules?
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Not as much as running slower RAM. I would plan to upgrade the RAM to more in the immediate future though. With 32 threads some BOINC tasks can consume 1GB per task so 32GB is the minimum i would go.
 
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