New computer slower than old one??

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wynnwalk

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Since graduating from college and getting married 2 years, ago I have not kept up with computers as much as I would have liked. About 9 months ago I built a computer that I thought would kick ass but on startup its slower than my old computer. The computer seems as fast and probably faster (I can tell a difference in Photoshop) than my old one. But the startup time is soooo annoying! The very first time I installed I remember it being fast but after loading software it slowed down to the way it is now. I have reinstalled 2 or 3 times and its always the same ... SLOW. I wanted to get some help from you guys. Here are the 2 computers I am using:


NEW ONE:
AMD64 3000+
MSI K8TNEO
3 Samsung SATA 160GB 7200rpm
1GB OCZ PC3500
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
DVD/RW, CD

OLD ONE:
IWILL KK266
AMD T-bird 1Ghz (OC'd 1.3)
MISC WD & Maxtor HD's
512mb Generic
ATI Radeon 9600
 
How much time are we talking? My sytem (A64 3000, MSI K8T Neo, 1gb DDR333, 9800 Pro 256mb) takes a about 1 minute to boot up (2 if you include the fact that I have to boot it twice to get into Windoes casue my BIOS battery is crap and will soon be replaced). I don't think it would take too long.
 
Are the HDDs in RAID? If so what kind.. Also disable unneeded bootup features in BIOS such as RAID controllers, sound drivers, etc that you arnt using. Your new one should be MUCH faster, I wouldnt worry to much about bootup as opposed to program speed, game speed, etc.
 
Bootup time is 1:10 to login page of which 28 seconds is getting to the Windows XP bootup logo. Old computer didnt have 2nd HD controller to load or the stupid gigabit ethernet thingy. When i first installed XP it only took like 3 or 4 scrolls of the windows blue scroll bar to get to login page but now it takes like 10. :(

No, RAIDS. I currently have my OS and programs on an IDE WD 30gb 7200rpm and I keep my data on a removable SATA Samsung 160gb 7200rpm. I would like to do RAID 0 but I cannot afford any data loss due to hardware malfunctions and I am not thrilled about RAID 1. I have considered buying a RAID 5 card but dont really want to spend the money. I may use 2 of the SATA drives for RAID 0 and then use the 3rd for image backups are something. Any ideas?

Sc0rched you are right, bootup time doesnt really mean anything, running programs is what counts. What would you recommend I use to test this?
 
by chance is the raid controller turned on in the bios that would slow down boot times while it searches for drives that dont exist.
 
Turn off uneeded devices such as the RAID controller. Kill network boot option. Ditch that 30GB drive. It's going to be much slower than any newer drive, despite it's small size. In HDD's oddly enough smaller doesn't always mean faster.

Next make sure your system is free of Spyware/Adware and remove any uneeded items from msconfig. Type msconfig in the run menu to do that.

That should get your system operating correctly.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Turn off uneeded devices such as the RAID controller. Kill network boot option. Ditch that 30GB drive. It's going to be much slower than any newer drive, despite it's small size. In HDD's oddly enough smaller doesn't always mean faster.

Next make sure your system is free of Spyware/Adware and remove any uneeded items from msconfig. Type msconfig in the run menu to do that.

That should get your system operating correctly.
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I think this will be your best bet, “msconfig”. Run that and uncheck everything you really don’t need at startup, which is really about everything.

For some reason every program you put on a computer wants to own and take over every resource for itself. It’s one of the first things I do for a customer bringing in a unit for bad performance.
 
You might also consider using Microsoft Bootvis. It will tell you about driver delays, cpu usage, etc.... It can then be used to decrease boot time.
 
That 30GB HD is killing boot up speed.
not only is it 2mb cache(if it isn't only 1mb), but the platter density is probably only 15gb's.

Believe me, get a modern HD for you your system drive and your box will boot much much faster.

Today's drives are 80GB platters, if you have 5 times the amount of data in the same space then when spun at the same speed it will xfer data 5x faster.
 
Ok, ok, ok ... I will ditch my trusty WD 30gb and install XP on one of the Samsung SATA's. Just seems like such a waste of space. Any comments about running RAID 1 or 0???

I have run msconfig and removed what I can, only 3 active in startup.

I have disabled one of the HD controllers that I am not using, still using 2 (IDE, SATA). And I thought I disabled the network boot option but I will check.

Never used bootvis ... http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/sysperf/fastboot/bootvis.mspx

Thanks for the help. I cant say I am excited about reinstalling again but oh well.
 
raid 0 does help signifigantly with boot time.

aside from that it provides little benefit to most apps, where seek time becomes the most important influence on perfomance.
 
obiwansotti said:
raid 0 does help signifigantly with boot time.

aside from that it provides little benefit to most apps, where seek time becomes the most important influence on perfomance.
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agree it normally slows it down due to the raid bios iniatlizing and it searches for the drives.
 
I'm experiencing a slow startup also. On other computers I've used with P4 processors the startup from the log in screen takes about 20 seconds at most to finish loading programs. With my AMD 64 3700+ san Diego, however, it takes about 1-2 minutes to finish loading all the startup programs. I've reformated my computer a few times, and only installed an anti-virus program, and it still has the same problem. If a CPU can't handle loading just an anti-virus program at startup quickly, then something must be wrong. I had the same slow startup problem with my old AMD 1800+ also, and my cousins AMD 3000+. I think either AMD's are slow in startups compared to P4's or I'm not setting them correctly. After the startup, I have no problems, it's fast. Except for when I run too many programs at once, it lags a little. Any suggestions? or overclocking suggestions? I got it running at about 2.46GHz.
 
Ditch that 30GB drive. It's going to be much slower than any newer drive, despite it's small size. In HDD's oddly enough smaller doesn't always mean faster.
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Unless it's a 36gb Raptor drive! :D

Anyone with a slow startup time should use Bootvis. It will tell you what's taking so long to boot up. Could be a device driver or some startup program.

Try running the normal stuff as well...run a virus scan and check for adware, also do a defrag! Good luck :D
 
Talonz said:
It's very likely that the boottime is due to a network connection/card.
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Im gonna agree with this as well as the older hard drive.
my system is a x2 @ 2.4ghz from turned off to the desktop it takes me maybe 20 seconds.
once i hit my desktop my mcafee antivirus and antispyware is up and running as well as my yahoo messenger, my game theater XPs control panel and volume control and motherboard monitor...the longest thing to start is my network connection.
but that takes maybe 5-10 seconds to come up after everything else is done.
this is the fastest system i have built to date and its a NIC card that gives me a SLIGHT slow down.
 
Apart from all that's mentioned above (ie NICs, unused RAID controllers etc), I discovered that after installing one of Intervideo's programs - I think it's the DVD backup software, not the player - my second rig boots a couple of seconds slower.

This is likely due to the virtual DVD drive that the program creates. I can turn it off when in Windows, but everytime I reboot it turns itself back on. I know a virtual drive can be useful, but it just seems silly to not be able to switch it off for your next reboot.

Specs:

#1 : Athlon64 3000+ (Venice) : ABIT AN8 Ultra (Bios #18, nForce v6.70) : 1GB Mushkin : Galaxy GeForce 6600GT : SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme : WD 200GB SATA2 : Dell 2005FPW : Thermaltake Shark : Thermaltake TWV 430W

#2 : P4 2.4B (Northwood) : ABIT BH7 : 1GB Mushkin : MSI GeForce4 Ti 4200 : WD 80GB SATA : Dell 1704 FPT
 
My system takes less than 20 seconds to fully boot into windows, its not AMD in reply to cu2cool.
 
from my experience, slow bootup times from newer machines is a result of the onboard lan driver or any networking devices or networks you have.
 
since people have saying that it has to do with my onboard LAN driver, should I be getting a new NIC then? I just updated my video card driver and installed Catalyst 1.6 Control Center too. It seems like a slows down my startup even more. :(
 
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