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Neverwinter Nights 2

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Is this game and it's expansions worth picking up?

Is it anything like Dragon Age Origins?

I like DA: O and it's making me want to play previous games that are in the same vein as it. I tried Mass Effect and while I liked the story, I didn't like the actual gameplay. I like games like Oblivion, but didn't like Fallout 3 as much as I liked Oblivion.

So . . . with that in mind, can you recommend me a game that's like DA: O?
 
Honestly, I wouldn't go near NWN2 if you don't know D&D well. I never played D&D and knew NOTHING about it and tried playing this game and I didn't even know how to create a character correctly. It's way too complicated for me.
 
I enjoyed it, and the first expansion MOTB was good too, though the second expansion was a waste of time.

Alot of people said the game wasn't that good...well it was good enough for me to want to play through more than twice.

Similar to DA:O, yes.
 
I liked it. It uses D&D ruleset instead of Bioware's original ruleset, other than that, It's a lot like DA:O.
 
ok, so this ruleset won't fuck me up will it? Otherwise, I should expect the same experience I got with DA: O, yes?

I have only played D and D once, and I understand how the system works for the most part, that's the only negative, right?

Is the story good? I've read the Forgotten Realms books and love them. I was just reminded about this game when I looked on D2D's sales and it has it listed with NWN2 Gold + the expansions for $30

thinking of grabbing it at that price point unless it can be found cheaper?
 
Great game. The character creation and progression can be intimidating to some however.
 
fornarmr said:
Honestly, I wouldn't go near NWN2 if you don't know D&D well. I never played D&D and knew NOTHING about it and tried playing this game and I didn't even know how to create a character correctly. It's way too complicated for me.
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I've never played D&D, heck I don't even understand it.

But Bioware's RPGs have always made sense to me. Like any other complicated RPG you can just go read a gamefaq on character builds if you are so confused. I ended up a little too powerful after managing my levelling. Was a Paladin -> Wizard -> Red Dragon Disciple multiclass. Basically a warrior tank with healing/restoration, an offensive spell-caster, and the blood of a dragon all rolled into one at the end. Didn't even need Rogue skills as I had knock spells and could walk right through traps with my heavy armor and dragon skin. That's typically not something you would want in an real "role-playing" game as I ended up creating an everyman He-Man that could do everything.
 
If you understand D&D then you'll be fine. I don't think the D&D ruleset should be considered a negative because it's a much deeper and prolific ruleset than Bioware's. The D&D ruleset itself adds a lot of breadth to the mechanics of the game, where Bioware's seems to dumb itself down for the casual audience. The D&D ruleset is different but not better or worse.

Yea the story and single player campaign is very good and that's mostly what i enjoyed about the game. It's very much like DA:O in that regard, except it doesn't have the over-the-top epicness and polish that DA:O has, but still very good in it's own right. The voice acting is good, and the story has a very well progressed arc and similar climax to DA:O. At some parts, you will think that Bioware was blatantly copying Obsidian because of some of the content that it seems like DA:O pulls from directly.
 
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ok, so this ruleset won't fuck me up will it? Otherwise, I should expect the same experience I got with DA: O, yes?

I have only played D and D once, and I understand how the system works for the most part, that's the only negative, right?

Is the story good? I've read the Forgotten Realms books and love them. I was just reminded about this game when I looked on D2D's sales and it has it listed with NWN2 Gold + the expansions for $30

thinking of grabbing it at that price point unless it can be found cheaper?
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The ruleset is not really a negative to me, it is a bit more technical than Dragon Age, but it can make character progression challenging and fun.

The story is also pretty good, well worth it
 
I will take these comments seriously, I think I will purchase this from D2D unless anybody sees or knows of any cheaper alternatives?
 
Character creation isn't too terrible for non D&D fans. Just remember that things are typically scored out of 18 and bonuses are given for even numbers. Each class has 1-2 scores that they should focus on, and constitution is important for everyone since it governs your hit points. There's more to it than that, but that's pretty much the story for getting started.
As for the game, it's a little like DA:O. I'm not really a fan of the interface (the radial menus from the first were better), but the story is okay.
One weird thing is that the UI does a weird job of scaling. 1920x1080 has tiny fonts, however 1280x720 has a UI that looks copied over and stretched from 640x480. In other words, not every resolution looks good.
 
Hmmm.... haven't looked at NWN2 in a while. Played it when it first came out. How many expansions have there been and how much playtime do each offer on top of the original?

After all this time, is the original NWN still worth looking at? That one passed me by.
 
Mask of the Betrayer (expansion #1) was great, probably looking at another 25+ hours or more. Storm of Zehir was awful, they tried to reinvent the wheel only to end up with an anchor. Mysteries of Westgate was OK, but nothing special.
 
Tzzird said:
Hmmm.... haven't looked at NWN2 in a while. Played it when it first came out. How many expansions have there been and how much playtime do each offer on top of the original?

After all this time, is the original NWN still worth looking at? That one passed me by.
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I like NWN #1 better than #2. Not only was it a good game with a good interface, the two expansions were both wonderful. In particular I really like the first expansion as it had lots of Rogue-specific items and plots.
You can probably get the pack with the game and both expansions for $15 these days. It's a little dated looking, but NWN2 never looked all that good either. The game has support for large UI fonts and widescreen, though.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Mask of the Betrayer (expansion #1) was great, probably looking at another 25+ hours or more. Storm of Zehir was awful, they tried to reinvent the wheel only to end up with an anchor. Mysteries of Westgate was OK, but nothing special.
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I checked up prices and it looks like the Gold pack (NWN2 and the mask expansion) are going for $40, which seems high at this point in time. But it seems like I won't be missing much without the last 2 expansions.

Domingo said:
I like NWN #1 better than #2. Not only was it a good game with a good interface, the two expansions were both wonderful. In particular I really like the first expansion as it had lots of Rogue-specific items and plots.
You can probably get the pack with the game and both expansions for $15 these days. It's a little dated looking, but NWN2 never looked all that good either. The game has support for large UI fonts and widescreen, though.
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Maybe I'll take a lookt at NWN1 then. That game came out at a time in my life where I only played console games.
 
NWN2 is a lot of fun. It's kind of like the precursor to DA:O in a lot of ways - it's when they started to make the game more cinematic and immersive (in terms of voice acting, music, sound, camera/graphics, etc).

One huge point - you can play NWN2 and MotB cooperatively with a friend. I played through with my roomie about a year ago through the original game. I ordered the MotB expansion on Amazon yesterday and we'll be starting from scratch and working from start of NWN2 through the end of MotB. Many many hours of co-op fun :)
 
Yeah, NWN2 feels a lot like DA:O in most ways. So much so infact that I keep forgetting that NWN2 is Obsidian, instead of Bioware. DA:O seems like a polished NWN2 to me. I enjoyed NWN2 a lot more than reviews gave it, though I hadn't played it during the pre-patched buggy days. I think early bugs hurt the sales. Plus, if you wish you could play DA:O with cooperative, persistent worlds, PVP, etc... then NWN2 is what you want.

I don't care for the DnD system, but really, it's not a big deal. Bioware's system is quite similar. Main difference being, in NWN2 you have to rest in order to regenerate your spells. Other than that, the differences are almost superficial.
 
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I would say its around as good as dragons age. On the other hand I think nwn 1 is much better than both of them. It wont have the replay value of Dragons age, but the first play through is fun.
Only thing that will really bug you is at the start of the game you will miss like 30 times in a row when swinging your weapon, this can get really annoying, but seems to go away as your stats increase.
 
NWN 2 is a good game. The party control is not as good as DA though. NWN 2 is also more difficult I think. DA plays a lot like NWN 2 since it's based on the same engine/gameplay.
 
bigdogchris said:
NWN 2 is a good game. The party control is not as good as DA though. NWN 2 is also more difficult I think. DA plays a lot like NWN 2 since it's based on the same engine/gameplay.
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DA:O is not on the Aurora engine like NWN2 is, though the gameplay is similar.
 
I liked NWN over NWN2 but *many* people hated the OC for NWN. The writing and dialogue get really weak in the latter stages of the game. I disliked the first expansion and never got far into the second (but I heard HotU was great, and pretty tough.)

Rogues are >>>>OVERPOWERED>>>> in NWN1 - Backstab with a 2H greatsword pwns nearly everything (but you do run into things with natural true sight.)

NWN2 was... Well, I just reinstalled it again, maybe I can make it all the way through.
 
I enjoyed Storm of Zehir personally. Overall a good game, especially the core game without expansions. The rulesets are not that complex, I mean, I never played a day of D&D in my life and I played NWN 1 and 2 without any issues. DA uses a different ruleset they created, but pretty much all RPGs are similar.
 
eggrock said:
NWN2 was... Well, I just reinstalled it again, maybe I can make it all the way through.
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This was my problem could never make it through the game. I would onyl get 1/5 of the way through it before getting bored. Played it with my room8 all the way through and never got bored though. Having someone there to laugh about the dialog with helps lol.
 
The NWN2 single-player campaign has high and low moments. The story starts off very slowly but after the first Act it gets really fun. After that its fun all the way to the end. The slow first Act has significance from the overall story perspective, but its hard to tell when you are first starting out.

The similarities to DA:O are definitely there. Lots of interesting NPCs and interaction with them.

The first expansion, MOTB, is simply awesome. Its worth playing even if you have to force yourself to finish vanilla NWN2. And it continues your NWN2 character. The second expansion, Zehir, is entirely unrelated and doesnt even use your NWN2 character.

NWN1 is also fun but showing its age now. HOTU expansion is a must-play.
 
Where do you download patches for the game? I tried to use the launcher, but it only gets me to version 1.20 before it errors out. IGN doesn't seem to host the files nowadays.

Also for some reason it asks me to insert a CD into my computer to play it. I'm hoping that whenever I can find the patches it will fix this as I have a digital copy from Direct2Drive. I haven't manually patched the game yet so not sure why it is doing that.

Kinda tempted to buy the GOG.com version as I bet it works as they keep their stuff up to date. But I already legally bought this copy and it seems like a waste to purchase the same digital game twice.

I own the base game and 2 expansion. I see that FileFront has some files, but I don't see anything higher than 1.02.
 
Good place to find information on the game.
http://neverwintervault.org/

Well I finally figured it out! Before you install the patches you HAVE TO DISCONNECT YOUR INTERNET. Otherwise the launcher will delete the patches from the folder and try to get them from the internet.

Where to get patches?
ftp://ftp.atari.com/patches/nwn2/

How to install the patches?
ftp://ftp.atari.com/patches/nwn2/NWN2_Patching_READ_ME.txt

These updates will take a copy of Neverwinter Nights 2 Gold from v.1.10.1115 to v.1.23.1765. Do note that ALL of these files will be deleted by the autoupdate patcher so if you do not wish to lose your files make sure to only copy them and not move them.

Steps to installation:

1. Choose the appropriate folder for the correct patches:

a. If you Have Neverwinter Nights 2, with no expansions installed, use the NWN2_only_no_Expansions folder

b. If you have Neverwinter Nights 2 Gold or Neverwinter Nights 2 plus Mask of the Betrayer use the NWN2_gold folder

c. If you have Neverwinter Nights Platinum, Neverwinter Nights 2 Gold and Storm of Zehir, or Neverwinter Nights 2, Mask of the Betrayer, and Storm of Zehir use the NWN2_gold_plus_Zehir folder


2. Copy all of the files ending in .zip into the C:\Program Files\Atari\Neverwinter Nights 2\ folder making sure not to move the files

3. Make sure to disconnect your internet connection before taking the next step otherwise the auto-update tool will attempt to connect to the internet in order to begin the patch process, and will delete any files located in the folder, the files you just copied into the C:\Program Files\Atari\Neverwinter Nights 2\ folder

4. Once copied start the Neverwinter Nights 2 Update tool which should then begin the update process

5. Once patched you should be able to launch the game normally
 
Ritorix said:
The NWN2 single-player campaign has high and low moments. The story starts off very slowly but after the first Act it gets really fun. After that its fun all the way to the end. The slow first Act has significance from the overall story perspective, but its hard to tell when you are first starting out.

The similarities to DA:O are definitely there. Lots of interesting NPCs and interaction with them.

The first expansion, MOTB, is simply awesome. Its worth playing even if you have to force yourself to finish vanilla NWN2. And it continues your NWN2 character. The second expansion, Zehir, is entirely unrelated and doesnt even use your NWN2 character.
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exactly! the mechanics are just not that fun and the beginning was slow and dull as dogs. Then the rest of the OC story surprises you, then the expansion just took off from there. If you want a great single player story, NWN2 + expansion or a total must. By the time you get sucked into the story, the shortfalls of the combat mechanics can easily be ignored, and no longer detract from the game.

Great memories, I can't wait til these guys release Pillars of Eternity now.
 
I prefer NWN1 and NWN2 over DAO. Both are excellent games. NWN2 gets even better once you get to the expansion pack. Part of the reason I like the games are because of the D&D ruleset. DAO was more dumbed down but still cool in its own way.

For the NWN games, a cleric is the most newb friendly character- they can wear the best armor, are good at melee combat, have healing, excellent defensive spells, and good offensive spells. Add in a few fighter levels depending what feats you want, and you will steamroll through everything. I think the only character that might be more powerful than a cleric would be a wizard but they are a bit harder to play.
 
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