Net Neutrality Rules Officially Repealed and Now the Legal Fight Begins

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Effective yesterday the 2015 net neutrality rules were officially repealed in the federal register. The Electonic Frontier Foundation, 22 Attorneys General and others, are now going to court to fight this repeal. Individual states are contemplating their own net neutrality laws as well. This is going to be an interesting fight.

First, under the Congressional Review Act (CRA), Congress can reverse a change in regulation with a simple majority vote. That would bring the 2015 Open Internet Order back into effect. Congress has 60 working days—starting from when the rule is published in the official record - to do this. So those 60 days start now.
 
Glass half empty or half full?
At this point there are some options for improvement, in my area some folks can't get cable internet on one side of the street while the other side has it (they are stuck with a slower AT&T monopoly). These monopolies have been keeping prices up and eliminating innovation (I still have copper running to the house).
 
but I thought FCC ruling was going to allow far more competition at a more reasonable price for the service as the old laws were preventing the ISP from keeping costs in check and getting more folks to have a service in the first place, as well as the "spying" net neutrality allowed the "government" was totally against the idea in the first place (according to them)

Yet turns into as soon as the initial ruling was made to repeal NN the various ISP (from what I have seen) jacked prices, and started spying of their own accord (if use service X Y or Z could be blocked outright, or you could choose to pay extra for priority service..i.e they could make you pay for everything EXTRA instead of it being included in the fact you are paying for the internet service at X down X up speed in the first place.

Would be asking to much for these mega corps etc to be transparent on what they say or plan on doing huh?
 
Yeah, what happened to all the hype a few years back about much higher speeds over existing telephone wires? My DSL 3Mbps plan rarely even hits 2Mpbs -- it has gone down over the past few years.

I don't remember seeing too much info from any of the big dsl players touting G.fast. But apparently Frontier and AT&T are in fact using it. The main catch is the distance limitation is so small they are really only using it in MDUs.

https://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/frontier-says-gfast-creates-speed-equality-fios-footprint
http://about.att.com/story/att_g_fast_on_sale_now_to_apartment_and_condominium_properties.html

Verizon's themselves and naturally said we're not going to do that, we'll do fiber instead.
http://www.telecompetitor.com/veriz...tegy-well-pass-on-g-fast-and-stick-with-fttp/

So if you're not in an apartment complex, I wouldn't expect to see G.fast at all. AT&T is actually rolling out fiber, so there is a chance you might get that at some point. Frontier and Verizon I wouldn't be so sure you'd ever be on the roadmap.
 
The dark ages of 2015....how is the internet possibly going to survive......
This fucking horse is so dead, it became a zombie, it was killed again, then the ashes arose in ghostly cloudy thing, and that was killed YET again, then only sounds of the dying tortured horse soul remained, and that was finally cleansed.
Please don't bring back this dead horse!!!.
 
I will be VERY happy if net neutrality becomes a disjointed piece of costly regulation and litigation. That will be awesome.. I mean ISP can leave the state if they don't like it after-all.
Live with it or GTFO.
 
I will be VERY happy if net neutrality becomes a disjointed piece of costly regulation and litigation. That will be awesome.. I mean ISP can leave the state if they don't like it after-all.
Live with it or GTFO.
im sorry but are you for or against it?
 
This fucking horse is so dead, it became a zombie, it was killed again, then the ashes arose in ghostly cloudy thing, and that was killed YET again, then only sounds of the dying tortured horse soul remained, and that was finally cleansed.
Please don't bring back this dead horse!!!.
You said you want me to kick the horse more?
 
im sorry but are you for or against it?
Oh, I am for Net Neutrality 100%. Ajit Pai is a piece of work.
But, since the states are taking this into their hands, it WILL become disjointed, and it WILL affect ISPs with litigation.. and it will open ISPs to call kinds of liabilities in different ways in different states.
Of course there will be the corporation ass-kissing republican states that will make it easy for the ISPs, but then you may have big, and populous 'blue' states doing things different (hopefully better), so ISPs will no longer have a uniform playground.
 
Obama's economic policies gave us economic stagnation largely because he held an anti-business bias. Reversing all his economic policies will result in growth and prosperity. Net Neutrality is an Obama economic policy and needed to be reversed. Sorry but the "all corporations are evil" argument is not going to fly...
 
You said you want me to kick the horse more?
No, you should beat it with a bat. People these days using their feat and not their hands.

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Obama's economic policies gave us economic stagnation largely because he held an anti-business bias. Reversing all his economic policies will result in growth and prosperity. Net Neutrality is an Obama economic policy and needed to be reversed. Sorry but the "all corporations are evil" argument is not going to fly...

how long until you bring up Hillary?
 
Yesterday is the day Americans realized that capitalism has effectively destroyed our democracy.

lol - that is so breathtakingly ignorant I don't even know where to start.

Bandwidth isn't free. Network infrastructure has costs - the more bandwidth you have to push, the higher priced gear you have to have, more transit capacity you need, etc. Go read up on peering arrangements - you want to talk messy. I have no problem detangling regulations around traffic shaping.

However, many people only have one viable choice for high speed internet due to a whole host of other often completely BS regulations (some federal but many at the local level).

If they really wanted to level the playing field and unlock the free market as they claim, they should also force the last mile connections to be accessible to any ISP to have access and lease capacity. When Ma Bell was broken up long distance companies could access me over my local carrier. Then if one ISP wants to go nuts with prioritizing traffic but there's another that chooses to compete by not doing that, I can decide and then the market will indeed act as a natural moderator of people being jerks. But as long as the last mile is held hostage by government sanctioned monopolies we don't have a free market.

It boggles my mind why we don't the same with Internet as we did with the phone company.

Except I already know why - as others have pointed out there isn't real interest from multiple camps on really fixing anything since problems can be used as political bludgeons to try to gain leverage over your opponents :confused:
 
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Yesterday is the day Americans realized that capitalism has effectively destroyed our democracy.

Old news... More and more American's are realizing that progressive Marxism almost destroyed our Republic. Returning to American Capitalism is reviving our stagnant economy. The fat lady is singing her song for the progressive movement; it's over...
 
Got a solution leave it way it was. Big Corps wanting to control all content. Control of profits. I can see total disaster if each state controls it and confusion it will ensure.
 
Old news... More and more American's are realizing that progressive Marxism almost destroyed our Republic. Returning to American Capitalism is reviving our stagnant economy. The fat lady is singing her song for the progressive movement; it's over...

Well, your name is appropriate at least.

Meanwhile, demographics are not your friend.
 
Obama's economic policies gave us economic stagnation largely because he held an anti-business bias. Reversing all his economic policies will result in growth and prosperity. Net Neutrality is an Obama economic policy and needed to be reversed. Sorry but the "all corporations are evil" argument is not going to fly...

So you want to be like china, where they have so much pollution they can barely breathe or even see the fucking sun? Corporations only care about money, and will do whatever they can to make more. They don't give a shit about what it does to the environment, local wildlife, or even the fucking people, as long as they make more money. Without regulations limiting how bad they can fuck us and the environment, we're going to end up competing with China/India on being the most polluted shit hole on earth.....

And it's not like these corporations are suffering from these regulations, they are still making insane proffits, they just don't want to cut into their bottom line doing shit like properly disposing of toxic waste (that's what streams are for right?), cleaning up spills, not dumping pollution into the air.....

But if you truly think all those 'obama regulations' are hurting these poor giant corporations so much they can't even operate..... Well enjoy regurgitating F(au)X news corporate talking points with the rest of the mindless tards. And before you jump right to 'but... but... teh fake news CNN and MSNBC is teh fakest", I don't watch any of that garbage either
 
Obama's economic policies gave us economic stagnation largely because he held an anti-business bias. Reversing all his economic policies will result in growth and prosperity. Net Neutrality is an Obama economic policy and needed to be reversed. Sorry but the "all corporations are evil" argument is not going to fly...

-200 DKP for polititrolling.
 
The GOVERNMENT WILL SAVE US.

Cause the .Gov is always the smartest, brightest, and most efficient.

It's a balance. Go too far one way (businessed/corporations rule) it becomes a plutocracy/corporatocracy vs too strong a government authoritarian/communism.

(small d) democracies (ie republics, democracies, socialist countries) are scattered in the middle and sway with public opinion.


IMO we, the US, have swung too far toward the business/corporate side and we, the nation as a whole, will be making a correction in the next few election cycles. It's a pendulum in my mind that will swing back and forth for as long as democracies exist.
 
I hope the CRA rollback fails and the many state NN laws are enacted and found lawful. When the ISP and media companies that were gleefully looking forward to having free reign with the demise of Federal NN, instead have to deal with 50+ versions of state and local NN, they will be begging Congress to "Please Make It Stop!"
 
I hope the CRA rollback fails and the many state NN laws are enacted and found lawful. When the ISP and media companies that were gleefully looking forward to having free reign with the demise of Federal NN, instead have to deal with 50+ versions of state and local NN, they will be begging Congress to "Please Make It Stop!"

The problem is, their solution will be to lobby the fed government to nullify the states regulations, because they are making business too hard..... Which is the same argument they used to get rid of NN in the first place.
 
I hope the CRA rollback fails and the many state NN laws are enacted and found lawful. When the ISP and media companies that were gleefully looking forward to having free reign with the demise of Federal NN, instead have to deal with 50+ versions of state and local NN, they will be begging Congress to "Please Make It Stop!"

Several state net neutrality laws already exist. They are lawful, because for the most part the only people who can take them to court are either a) regulated as a utility or b) Operating under a regional monopoly under the guise of a franchise contract, which if they don't like the terms, they are free to not renew and let someone else, or no one else service.
 
The problem is, their solution will be to lobby the fed government to nullify the states regulations, because they are making business too hard..... Which is the same argument they used to get rid of NN in the first place.

Funny how "state's rights!" is so conveniently discarded, no?
 
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