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First off, I want to list a few problems my computer has under gone.

1. Sata harddrive erased itself when I tried a OC on the CPU
2. 2nd harddrive (IDE) started not wanting to boot and just hanging on the windowsXP load screen with the green passing over and over.
3. 3rd harddrive (IDE) started doing random clicks followed by 20-30sec periods of screen freezes but it would always come out of it but back to doing shortly after.

I thought maybe PSU cause 3 harddrives gone bad isn't common, but then I found the IDE cable when wiggled would recreate the problem. So I replaced the IDE cable.
Days go by and no problems until today when I finally turn my puter off for a fresh reboot. The first thing I noticed was my monitor was out of sync and then I heard the HD clicking (I think fuck, not again).
After 2 attempts I booted into windows with no further problems besides me having to push power on my gateway 2185W to get it to sync from DVI.

I have no way to test PSU right now but from what I have tried to convey so far, what would be your BEST guess to what my problem would be?

(SPECS)
3200+ 64-bit
ASUS K8V SE Deluxe
1-gig corsair value
windowsxp pro
430watt POS power supply (worked great for 2 years)

All drivers up to date. :confused:

Ty for taking the time to read this.
 
This happened to me when I tried to overclock with my SATA drives on the chipset's SATA controllers. Moving them to the secondary controller and locking the PCI to 33MHz fixed everything.
 
sac_tagg said:
This happened to me when I tried to overclock with my SATA drives on the chipset's SATA controllers. Moving them to the secondary controller and locking the PCI to 33MHz fixed everything.
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Sweet...I don't plan to do that anymore heh.
So what do you think is the problem with the IDE drive? Bad PSU, bad MB? :(
 
Ran SMART for my hard drive a WD and went for a quick test.

Heres what I got right away:
Quick test on drive 1 did not complete
Status Code=07 (failed read test element) Failure Checkpoint=65 (error log test)
SMART Self-Test did not compete on drive 1 !!

Whatcha all think?
 
ValeX said:
Well, the data on the drive is all crapped anyways right? format it and do a chkdsk -f .....then try the test again to make sure its nothing physically damaged..


ValeX
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No, this is a freshly formated (different) drive. :)
 
Ok, made it through extended test with a bad sector and I repaired it. I hope its ok now hehe.
Ty all.
 
Ice Czar said:
welcome to the power supplies forum ;)

you need a new one
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Ah man...you sure? :(
I don't even know what a good power suppy would be these days cause I'm about to upgrade and this new PSU will be used in a single 7800gt/gtx. 2 raptors. So what one would you suggest for the best price?

Ty much for the help! :)
 
sounds like classic symptoms to me
in addition a POS 430 that is a few years old is going to be woefully short in the +12V department, the power consumptions needs not only have increased, but have switched from the combined +3.3V\+5V rail to the +12V rail
also it was likely rated at 21>25C while your operating temperature is likely 40>50C and your loosing upto a third of its rated capacity, the rest is likely not being employed anyway being on the +3.3V\+5V rail leading to overtaxing the +12V rail and shortening its life expectancy

1. list everything youll be powering (including fans and size\speed)
2. list everything your currently powerng
3. list what that POS is and is rated for in amps (see sticker) on the main rails (+3.3V, +5V, +12V)
 
1. list everything youll be powering (including fans and size\speed)
4400+
7800gtx
Dvd Burner
2-10,000 RPM raptors
ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe Socket 939
4 fans=zailman (new one), 3-case fans (Not sure about size or speed yet but really powerful)
2. list everything your currently powerng
3200+
9800Pro
7200 rpm HD
Asus K8V SE Deluxe

3. list what that POS is and is rated for in amps (see sticker) on the main rails (+3.3V, +5V, +12V)
It's a raidmax and I will post specs this afternoone for you.


I was looking into this PSU, would this be good enough for my new machine?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153023
 
LhasaCM said:
While waiting for the experts to weigh in with a positive recommendation of what to buy, it's safe to say that, no, this PSU will not be good enough. It is an older model, and so is overpowered on the 3.3v/5v rail but underpowered on the 12v rail.
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Doh, ok...how about this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103931

Would that older one be good for my old set-up? Then I can just get a better one for my new set-up.
Ty for taking the time to respond! :)
 
ehh?? what? oh yeh, errr... just a few minutes I havent had my coffee yet :p
Im sort of "starting" my day
 
still working on it


................................................................12V requirements
(this isnt strictly additive, you dont need it all at the same time)

4400+.......................................................9.1A (110W) stockclock
7800gtx.....................................................7.8A per (94.7W per) stockclock
Dvd Burner.................................................2A whenever you use it dropping to 0.5 post spinup
2-10,000 RPM raptors.................................2.5A per for spinup dropping to 0.4 post
ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe Socket 939...........0.5A>1A
4 fans........................................................0.5A per or 2A to spinup 0.5A post

the runtime draw would vastly exceed any spinup draw so we wont bother with that
assuming dual SLi a worse case senerio with CPU\GPUs pegged and everything already spinning (but no optical) would see this around 27.2A
or 326Watts worth of +12V capacity
not counting draw for +3.3V and +5V needs (any supply would have enough of those)


2. list everything your currently powerng
3200+
9800Pro
7200 rpm HD
Asus K8V SE Deluxe
 
I'll finish the rest once I run down that RAIDmax

as far as SLI high power PSUs
check this thread

Power issues on high-end SLI builds

its not "just" the rated amps, sometimes its also how tightly the are regulated, how clean they are and what the supply was rated at in temperature, personally if you go the SLi route with the 7800GTX's Id say you need as good a supply as you really cant afford
 
Hey Ice Czar,

Now you've got me worried. I've got the Enermax EG701AX with 2 7800GTX's in SLI :eek:

I haven't had any problems...but I'm not opposed to upgrading either. Do you have any thoughts/advice?
 
if your not having issues I wouldnt do anything more than start to log the voltage fluctuation and try to calibrate the reading your getting in software to what the supply is actually doing (usng a multimeter)

when it starts to get hot Id pay closer attention and then decide if an upgrade was warranted

a few things to consider
ATX12V is likely to adopt the same physical connectors that EPS12V has
meaning that instead of an auxillary 4 pin mobo connector some gaming boards are already employ a double of that, the 8 pin you see on EPS12V

looking into the crystal ball its unlikely we will be seeing a overall decrease in power consumpution but exactly what type of investement you might want to make to see you through the next couple of years (or less) would be highly dependent on what your planning on shoehorning into a box.

It pays to invest in high quality supplies, but in a manner that sees their useful lifetime employed

as an example. someon buying a PCP&C 510 4 years ago would with a repin be golden with your SLi config to this day, meanwhile others may have bought 3 or 4 PSUs totalling far more in actual money.

There is immediate need and then there is infrastructure investment
I dont see immediate need right this instant and investment might cost more than youd imagine based on a bet of where you'll go.

Buy a good UPS now ;)
that make the job of a any PSU that much easier

and control your environment, save up for a beefy AC for the summer
 
Right. It's funny you mention the word 'shoehorning'.

Maybe I should have brought you up to speed on the rest of the system -

MSI K8N Diamond Plus (the one with 2 16x PCI-E slots)
Asetek Vapochill LS (phase change) cooling
Opteron 175 that I'm just breaking in (currently 255x11, but it's got a lot left in it: -41 C under load)
2 x 7800GTX in SLI
2 x WD Raptor 1500 10,000 RPM
Plextor PX-16A
Toshiba DVD-ROM
2 x case fans

I'll put my multimeter on the 12V rail and see what that says under load, but I gotta tell you, I'm not real happy after reading that article. I'm thinking it's time for the PC P&C 1KW.

Edit: Multimeter was 12.05 on the 12V rail with 2 instances of Prime95 (one per core) and rthdribl running at the same time (to load the video cards). Makes me feel a little better - but not much.
 
that was the "upgrade" path I was thinking :p
its rather pricey but owning a 510 that has powered dual 244s, K8W, 10 drives, SX6000, FX3000 and 4GB without so much as a flicker to the +12V rail,
Id say they are worth the peace of mind

of course the AC and UPS are still a good idea ;)
 
Thnx guys for your help...I should have it narrowed down soon hehe
My raidmax is 10.98v on the 12.

I don't understand all this talk but I'm trying to learn.
 
2. list everything your currently powerng
3200+..................................................7.4A (89W)
9800Pro...............................................0.15A
7200 rpm HD........................................2A / 0.5A (spinup\run)
Asus K8V SE Deluxe............................0.5A

assuming the same fans and the 2nd HDD you mentioned
worsecase runtime draw is 9.05A or 108W +12V capacity
which would be fine for that RAIDmax if they had actually rated it at a reasonable operating temperature, which they didnt likely being some 21>25C for rating and your operating temperature exhausting the CPU heatsink and case closer to 40>50C depending on a few other variabes (room temp, cas airflow) while your AGP is still chewing on the +3.3V\+5V rail your CPU isnt, Id say that over time the supply has degraded do to how much load its been pulling at the higher temperature and just because your right they are POS supplies, and that now your drives are experiencing instablility on the +12V rail and are in danger of at the least corrupting your data at worse frying the HDD circuit boards.

Id put its actual amp capacity +12V @ 40C somewhere around 8.25A
and whenever you draw too much power which is dependent on what your doing, the +12V rail sags

Its intermittent but its also likely inevitable, considering what your thinking of powering that supply doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell of even a minor upgrade. so if your really headed to SLi country Id check the other thread linked ;)

Id assume your current supply is dangerously overtaxed, and get rid of it ASAP IMO
and reduce its load and improve its environment in the meantime (cooler w\ stable AC power) Ive personally seen RAIDmax fry boards, and the tales of them doing that in this forum are endless
 
Ice Czar said:
2. list everything your currently powerng
3200+..................................................7.4A (89W)
9800Pro...............................................0.15A
7200 rpm HD........................................2A / 0.5A (spinup\run)
Asus K8V SE Deluxe............................0.5A

assuming the same fans and the 2nd HDD you mentioned
worsecase runtime draw is 9.05A or 108W +12V capacity
which would be fine for that RAIDmax if they had actually rated it at a reasonable operating temperature, which they didnt likely being some 21>25C for rating and your operating temperature exhausting the CPU heatsink and case closer to 40>50C depending on a few other variabes (room temp, cas airflow) while your AGP is still chewing on the +3.3V\+5V rail your CPU isnt, Id say that over time the supply has degraded do to how much load its been pulling at the higher temperature and just because your right they are POS supplies, and that now your drives are experiencing instablility on the +12V rail and are in danger of at the least corrupting your data at worse frying the HDD circuit boards.

Id put its actual amp capacity +12V @ 40C somewhere around 8.25A
and whenever you draw too much power which is dependent on what your doing, the +12V rail sags

Its intermittent but its also likely inevitable, considering what your thinking of powering that supply doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell of even a minor upgrade. so if your really headed to SLi country Id check the other thread linked ;)

Id assume your current supply is dangerously overtaxed, and get rid of it ASAP IMO
and reduce its load and improve its environment in the meantime (cooler w\ stable AC power) Ive personally seen RAIDmax fry boards, and the tales of them doing that in this forum are endless
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Wow, you know your stuff and I ty for taking the time to help me!
I'm going to check out the other thread as I'm trying to find a PSU thats under 100$, cause I wont be running SLI anytime soon but I want the option hehe
 
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