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coffee33

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I have
3200+ 64 512 L2 cache
1g ram
saphire 9800pro (great card!)

I'm looking to get a new card that will give me about 20fps or more then my 9800pro in all games.
I play
farcy
BIA's
hl'2 css and other mods
bf2 when it comes out

My bugget $500.00 but if you can go lower while getting me a much better gaming experence that would rock.
 
I'm assuming you're on an AGP mobo? For 500 dollars, you can double the frames of your 9800 pro. Honestly though, if you've already got a 9800 pro, wait for the next gen cards.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
I'm assuming you're on an AGP mobo? For 500 dollars, you can double the frames of your 9800 pro. Honestly though, if you've already got a 9800 pro, wait for the next gen cards.
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yeap even better, wait.
 
I would caution against getting a massively awesome video card, since your CPU could bottleneck your system. I had that problem with my previous system, which paired a Radeon 8500 with a PIII 700 MHz. Every game ran, but every game ran poorly.

I, as well, would suggest waiting - even if you don't plan on getting an R520 or G70, you might be able to pick up a currently high end card at reduced prices. Your system should be able to play everything decently for awhile yet.
 
I had a sapphire 9800Pro on my system. It did bottleneck mine (even at 430/385), so I'd imagine it'd bottleneck yours a bit too, even if its not overclocked. My 6800GT is actually well matched with my system, maybe a little faster once overclocked. Playing HL2 on 1600x1200 with 4xAA and 8xAF looks great though :cool:
 
his cpu won't bottleneck anything, I am hearing so much of this bottleneck nonsense lately....gosh, I recommend:

1) wait for next-gen
2) grab a x800XL/6800gt for like under 300 bucks each.
3) go all out right now and grab a x850xtpe (I would not do this though)

and you're 3200+ won't bottleneck anything, don't worry. just pump up the resolution to 1600x1200+ and the diff. between ur 3200+ and fx-55 is 0 to nothing. 3 fps @ that resolution @ most.
 
bhw752k said:
I would caution against getting a massively awesome video card, since your CPU could bottleneck your system. I had that problem with my previous system, which paired a Radeon 8500 with a PIII 700 MHz. Every game ran, but every game ran poorly.

I, as well, would suggest waiting - even if you don't plan on getting an R520 or G70, you might be able to pick up a currently high end card at reduced prices. Your system should be able to play everything decently for awhile yet.
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I think that is more true of the high end ATI cards, but I went from a 9700Pro to a 6800GT on my xp2600 system and was pulling down 5500 on 3Dmark05 with that setup... my CPU was OC'd a little, but still in all, 6800 and 6600 series cards play well with slow(ish) CPUs as well as the fast ones...
 
aZn_plyR said:
his cpu won't bottleneck anything, I am hearing so much of this bottleneck nonsense lately....gosh, I recommend:
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Yup, an AMD 64 3200 won't bottleneck anything lol.

I've got a 3400 with an X800 XT PE and it plays Doom 3 maxed on Ultra and HL2 maxed as well.

If I were you I'd just buy an X850 XT PE as who knows when the next gen cards will come, and when they do you'll have to bend over to buy one.
 
aZn_plyR said:
his cpu won't bottleneck anything, I am hearing so much of this bottleneck nonsense lately....
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Because people have no idea what they're talking about. A bottleneck is a simple cap of how many frames a card can push placed on it by how fast a given CPU can send it information. But its really only effected by mhz and mem speeds of the card. On a slow CPU you can OC a high end graphics card and see absolutly no improvment. But what people seem to not understand is that most of todays CPU's do that. Not just ones someone might consider "slow". Ever notice that reviewers that overclock the cards by 15% may only yield an extra 1-5FPS in a game? CPU wasnt sending info fast enough before so the increase results are very poor. With the increase in vertex and pixel pipes as well as all the other new technologies on newer cards however you'd still massively benefit from a new card. So someone with a 2.4 or 2.8 intel///1.8 gig AMD can absolutly see a massive jump going from a 9800Pro to a 16pipe card with what they can enable and turn on in games. Obviously a faster CPU will yield more frames, thats a given. Anyones PC can benefit from this. But its amazing how much this:

"nope, your CPU is a bottleneck you wont notice a 9800/9600 XT/pro to any card" has become a common (and stupid) reply on all computer forums. Unless your CPU is exceptionally old, i mean really slow, saying you wont see a jump or benefit going from such a GPU difference is simply false. CPU bottlenecking is a real problem which is why graphics companies resort to boosting things other then memory and core speeds with each release. And because of what they are improving, just about anyone can see quite a boost going to a card double or triple the power.
 
I also think some people have serious misconnceptions about what is a "low end" CPU and what is not... hell, I have seen folks with Athlon 64 3200+'s (and 2800+'s for that matter) with insane overclocks which rival and surpass (in some cases I am sure) the performance of 4000+'s and such... even not overclocked it's a pretty good CPU. Personally I would consider an XP2100 or such low end... I am still running my XP2600 @ 2175 and it chews through frames on Doom3 with my 6800GT just fine. 1600X1200 high detail @ 50fps. Not bad... Anyways... to the thread starter, your system will rock if you add a 6800U (BFG or XFX) or if you want to really give it the knee shooters, go for the X850XTPE... that's a great card... whew...
 
First, I want to thank everyone for the replies and suggestions. I think I'm going to wait for the next gen and then buy this gens card. I mean I did that with the 9800pro and man I was happy as hell.
Ty all!
 
coffee33 said:
First, I want to thank everyone for the replies and suggestions. I think I'm going to wait for the next gen and then buy this gens card. I mean I did that with the 9800pro and man I was happy as hell.
Ty all!
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Sounds good and sensible.

Happy gaming :)
 
hes not going to have any bottle neck problems w/ a 3200 . LOL..

and even if he did.. it woulndt matter.

thats like saying that a car capable of 800 mph wont work on a street that can only push 200mph.

he will be fine.

heck.. im on a amd 2100xp paired w/ a bfg 6800 OC and granted i bottleneck a lot.. ive looked it up.. if i were to upgrade my cpu id get about a 50% boost in performance. but you know what..

i dont need to LOL.... my shits smoking at this rate and i can play doom3, hl2, desert combat just fine w/ the eye candy i need...
 
lol - I think it's more like saying, putting a turbo on an Altima (or similar class vehicle) is a waste... anyways - I think we're pretty much all on the same page now, though. :)
 
Buy the best you can get now, do not play the waiting game. When new comes out simply sell and buy another.
 
2Fresh said:
Buy the best you can get now, do not play the waiting game. When new comes out simply sell and buy another.
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QFT

Once you make the initial big purchase, it's always easy to sell an older generation high end card to get the newest generation at a cheap(er) price :cool:
 
2Fresh said:
Buy the best you can get now, do not play the waiting game. When new comes out simply sell and buy another.
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totally disagree. A 9800 pro is far from the level of being so decrepit you MUST upgrade now rather then wait 2-3 months to see the specs and benchmarks of the new cards. Absolutly no reason to rush as fast as you can. Not everyone has money they can just toss around.
 
I would definately wait. The 6000 series and 800 line-up have been out for a while. I would wait until the latest line-up is out (let's say for ATI the 1000 series and for nvidia the 7000 series... just as an example) Then the prices of the previous series should plummet a decent amount to where those high end cards are reasonable(ie after the 9800 pro had been out for a couple months i picked one up for 300, but after the next series came out, the prices dropped quite a bit). Your Radeon 9800 pro won't be obsolete by then, so waiting won't harm anything.
 
Mr. K6 said:
QFT

Once you make the initial big purchase, it's always easy to sell an older generation high end card to get the newest generation at a cheap(er) price :cool:
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So you would've sold a radeon 9800 pro @ about $150 for instance, and then bought an x850xt PE when it came out for like $600? What a whopper of savings :p
 
Oh4Sh0 said:
So you would've sold a radeon 9800 pro @ about $150 for instance, and then bought an x850xt PE when it came out for like $600? What a whopper of savings :p
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umm no, Here's the exact same thing I did as he suggested.....6800 ultra brand new just came out for like 1 month, my 9800xt sitting in my case, put it up for sale, 350 bucks, SOLD.
Got my brother, "lets go to compusa!" Asked for a 6800gt, sold out, 2 6800 ultra's left, grabbed one, and yah, I spent 150 bucks for a 6800ultra.
 
wow, I don't see who would buy a 9800xt off you for $350.. I mean damn, I spent <$300 on a 9800 pro shortly after they came out...
 
Oh4Sh0 said:
wow, I don't see who would buy a 9800xt off you for $350.. I mean damn, I spent <$300 on a 9800 pro shortly after they came out...
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well, this is when the 9800XT was top of the line and the buyer didn't know about the newer cards :)

but really, you can sell your card for a high price right b4 the launch of the new cards
 
aZn_plyR said:
well, this is when the 9800XT was top of the line and the buyer didn't know about the newer cards :)

but really, you can sell your card for a high price right b4 the launch of the new cards
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Bingo

I sold my 9800Pro for $175 and bought a 6800GT for $330, so I got a 6800GT for $155, not bad at all :cool:
 
No it wasn't. But I bought the 9800Pro for $200 (including an Arctic cooling VGA silencer) used it for 9 months, and sold it for $25 less. That's much cheaper than buying a card and then buying another. So I either got a 9800Pro for $25 or a 6800GT for $155, either one is a good deal IMHO. You know simple math right? :confused:
 
Mr. K6 said:
No it wasn't. But I bought the 9800Pro for $200 (including an Arctic cooling VGA silencer) used it for 9 months, and sold it for $25 less. That's much cheaper than buying a card and then buying another. So I either got a 9800Pro for $25 or a 6800GT for $155, either one is a good deal IMHO. You know simple math right? :confused:
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my point went completely over your head, nothing was free. You didnt have a coupon, you paid the whole cost for the card. It was entirely out of your pocket. Thats all. You didnt save anything. Infact you lost.
 
Mr. K6 said:
Bingo

I sold my 9800Pro for $175 and bought a 6800GT for $330, so I got a 6800GT for $155, not bad at all :cool:
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the point in hand here is that as the card ages, the difference in cost between the "next line" of cards will get smaller and smaller as they get older and older. (ie compare what gf2ti ultra was new when the gf4 ti4600 came out, versus what they are now) So whenever you get the latest card, it's an obvious fact that you'll lose more money than if you wait. The real question is, when does the performance make a great enough impact that you need to upgrade... to justify the cost difference.

That's why you'll never see me with a top-of-the-line card, unless money starts growing out of my ass :eek: [checks ass] bah! :( I'm on a 9600 pro AIW right now that I bought a few months ago.. for $120. It runs everything I want it to just fine. And when it no longer does so, I'll upgrade to the next tier of cards (something like a 6600gt) and you can see the price difference (Even now, with the 6600gt not being that old) is very slim, and where-as your spending $155 give/or take every time to upgrade to the top-of-the-line card, I'm spending not even $50 to upgrade to the card that gets everything done I want it to do everytime...

just depends on what type of person you are I suppose
 
Eh, I actually worked my ass off over vacation, hence I had the extra money. Also, I wanted to see what HL2 looked like at 1600x1200 4xAA and 4xAF, 3DMark05 at 20fps+, etc.

No, your point wasn't fanatic, I really dont think you understand math, so here you go:

Price of cards if bought brand new and not sold:
$200 (9800Pro w/ acces.) + $330 (6800GT) = $530
Now when I sold my 9800Pro:
$200 + $330 - $175 = $355, $530-355 = $175 saved! Now how about that? Must be magic.
The point is that by selling older hard ware and buying newer hardware, one can actually cut losses/save money. Out of my pocket at this present moment when I went to buy my 6800GT only went $155 extra; the rest had already been invested in the 9800Pro, which I got my use out of, and was then turned over to be used on the 6800GT. $155 is substantially LESS than $330, but I guess you didnt get that :confused:.
Now going from a 9800Pro to a X850XTPE would still have the same cash savings, but one would still have to dump out alot of cash. Going from a 9800Pro, to a 6800GT, to then maybe a X850XTPE allows the usage of better hardware while still putting money towards an even higher end card.
 
FanATIc said:
totally disagree. A 9800 pro is far from the level of being so decrepit you MUST upgrade now rather then wait 2-3 months to see the specs and benchmarks of the new cards. Absolutly no reason to rush as fast as you can. Not everyone has money they can just toss around.
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Well, those of us that do....It is not a problem ;)
 
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