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sovay

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Well, first off, I'd like to preface my questions with a little information about myself. I am heading off to university (first year) in September. My computer I own right now is about four years old and obnoxiously slow at times. I cannot game on any newer games due to video card and processor limits. Recently, I decided that I needed a new computer for University. I was coaxed into custom building by my friends, but unfortunately, I have no idea what I'm doing. I have heard quite a few good things about Intel's new Conroe chipset, so I'm fairly set on getting a conroe. Basicly, I need information about building a custom PC. What parts do I need to get exactly? How do I figure out if my system will be fully compatable or not? Are there important things I should note in terms of cooling/cases/power supplies? Should I go dual core or solo core (or, what are the advantages of each)? Or, alternatively, could someone suggest a really nice conroe build?
Keep in mind that I have a budget, but it's pretty lenient (I'm thinking anything under $4000 Canadian should be fine, but I'm not exactly looking to spend it all).
Oh, and I'm quite sorry if this is in the wrong section, but this seemed like a logical place to drop this.

Thanks in advance,
-sovay
 
basic needed for pc build:
-- cpu (conroe) conroe is dual core
-- memory (corsair)
-- hdd (Western digital)
-- psu (seasonic, pc power n cooling)
-- case (lian li, antec-- i prefer lian li)
-- optical drive (plextor- if you can afford it, i prefer sony)
-- video card (nvidia or ati, i prefer nvidia)

most retail cpu comes w/ heatsink and fan, most cases comes w/ psu(a(i suggest get a better psu),
 
alik4041 said:
What's up with the 965chipset?!?!? 975 will do. Can't justify the price for 965 if 975 is priced similar.
I just don't like this setup all together. Just feels like too random.
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If you can find a better priced 975X motherboard that supports Core 2 Duo, why don't you say what it is?

What's random about the setup? Did you want a dissertation as to why I felt that build would work well?
 
454Casull said:
If you can find a better priced 975X motherboard that supports Core 2 Duo, why don't you mention it?

What's random about the setup? Did you want a dissertation as to why I felt that build would work well?
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Performance of the 975 beats the 965 too greatly to justify paying for 965.
Hmmm...4000CAD...I'm thinking he wants a system that will last him a long time and will also have the top performance, yet still be upgradable.

I would recommend:

Motherboard- Asus P5W HD Deluxe

CPU- Intel Conroe E6600

Memory- Varies but I would go with Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C3

Graphics Card- Whatever suits you best. If you want to play 1280x1024 with all the bells and whistles, then x1900xt or xtx. Just remember that ATI is coming out with x1950xt with features GDDR4 capable of reaching really high speeds. If I were you in this situation, I would go in the FS/FT forum and pickup a good ATI graphics card for about $300 and then sell it when you get the 1950xt.

Sound Card- X-fi Xtreme Music (if you really want to, then go Fatal1ty. X-ram already being used)

HDD- 2X WD740ADFD (make sure to get the ADFD ones as they are they have the same exact features as the 150GB raptor including 16mb cache and all but cheaper)

PSU- This is the component that you especially want to go Brand over power. I would recommend PC Power and cooling you wanna pay for the price tag, or FSP, Enermax, Seasonic, OCZ (gamexstream), Ultra (x-finity). I would recommend 700+ watts (this shold not be the peak). If you would like to upgrade in the future, this will be necessary just to be safe.

As for your coolers, etc.

CPU Cooler - CNPS9500LED
VGA Cooler- Vf-900 cu led
And you will need some case fans as you need good airflow. I recommend 2 fans takein at the front, 2 rear exhaust, 1 top of the case exhaust.
 
Hey, thanks for the replies and help~

Yea, I'm looking for a high-end system that will last me quite some time, yet still be upgradable should I choose to do so. And yes, I need everything, including a case of suitable size.
Another thing: should I spend money on speakers or should I just get some high-end headphones which would probably be put to use more often?
 
alik4041 said:
Performance of the 975 beats the 965 too greatly to justify paying for 965.
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Explain yourself. How much does the P5W DH Deluxe cost? How much better does it perform than the GA-965P-DS3? Thanks. Justify paying for 965 my ass.
Memory- Varies but I would go with Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C3
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Spending money for the sake of spending money? This is stupid.
HDD- 2X WD740ADFD (make sure to get the ADFD ones as they are they have the same exact features as the 150GB raptor including 16mb cache and all but cheaper)
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The WD1500ADFD is faster than the WD740 (any version). And why get two of them?
PSU- This is the component that you especially want to go Brand over power. I would recommend PC Power and cooling you wanna pay for the price tag, or FSP, Enermax, Seasonic, OCZ (gamexstream), Ultra (x-finity). I would recommend 700+ watts (this shold not be the peak). If you would like to upgrade in the future, this will be necessary just to be safe.
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700W+... Jesus Christ.

Listen, even if he's got $4000 to spend, it doesn't mean you should find a way to waste all of it. $550+ for memory, holy God.
 
sovay said:
Hey, thanks for the replies and help~

Yea, I'm looking for a high-end system that will last me quite some time, yet still be upgradable should I choose to do so. And yes, I need everything, including a case of suitable size.
Another thing: should I spend money on speakers or should I just get some high-end headphones which would probably be put to use more often?
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Both the AM2 and Socket T (supporting Core 2 Duo) platforms will be upgradeable. At the nonce, Core 2 Duo is significantly faster than A64 X2/Opteron, both before and after OCing, considering price/performance, considering max performance, etc. That's why C2D is the better choice right now. If the most strenuous apps you'll be running are games, the C2D will likely be fast enough to keep the video card as the bottleneck at least through the next generation of video cards (at which point you can replace the video card).

It'll be easier to select a case for you if you go through Newegg.com and look at the cases they have. Tell us which ones you like, what you're looking for, what you don't want, etc.

You could get both speakers and headphones. This is one area (monitors, too) where I don't have any problem with spending lots of cash, since these things last basically forever. If you get headphones you can take them on the road, and if you get speakers you'll enjoy more realistic imaging. Headphones do provide more bang for your buck, especially if the room and position the speakers will be placed in is acoustically inadequate. You'll want an amp for high-end cans.

Are you handy at woodworking? If you are, you could put together a great set of speakers whose price/performance would best anything on the market.
 
Ok, I'm fairly set on the E6600, and as for the motherboard, is there any specific comparison between the Asus P5W DH Deluxe and the 965? I like the P5W, but if the 965 is very similar performance-wise, I might as well save myself a bit of money.

EDIT And yes, I have access to all sorts of woodworking supplies, so if you have a suggestion for some neat wooden speakers, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks again,
-sovay
 
454Casull said:
Explain yourself. How much does the P5W DH Deluxe cost? How much better does it perform than the GA-965P-DS3? Thanks. Justify paying for 965 my ass.

Spending money for the sake of spending money? This is stupid.

The WD1500ADFD is faster than the WD740 (any version). And why get two of them?

700W+... Jesus Christ.

Listen, even if he's got $4000 to spend, it doesn't mean you should find a way to waste all of it. $550+ for memory, holy God.
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The best top of the line motherboard currently available is what I would suggest. Overcock of almost 450FSB is more than enough.
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=19
I said it's all up to him on the ram. The ram I suggested is probably the best overclocking ram out today:
http://legitreviews.com/article/364/1/

The ADFD 150gb raptor is rated faster than the wd740gd. I agree. But the 74gb ADFD is built exactly the same from top to bottom as the 150gb with half the size. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. There is 2 different 74gb raptors. If you want we I'll post a new thread on this and we'll see whose right. Infact, a 36gb ADFD would probably be the same speed, if not faster because there is only one platter. I have a cousin who works at WD, I would know. I suggested two of them so he can put them in RAID 0.

Your saying 700+ watts is too much...
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/21/the_graphics_state_of_the_union/

Again thought, I chose the best memory he can possibly get for DDR2 for overclocking. If you can find better, plz do tell. This system should have no problems getting past 3ghz on air, even 3.5 .
 
sovay said:
Ok, I'm fairly set on the E6600, and as for the motherboard, is there any specific comparison between the Asus P5W DH Deluxe and the 965? I like the P5W, but if the 965 is very similar performance-wise, I might as well save myself a bit of money.

EDIT And yes, I have access to all sorts of woodworking supplies, so if you have a suggestion for some neat wooden speakers, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks again,
-sovay
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http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=19
 
alik4041 said:
The best top of the line motherboard currently available is what I would suggest. Overcock of almost 450FSB is more than enough.
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Typo aside, here's something to think about:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106685
The ADFD 150gb raptor is rated faster than the wd740gd. I agree. But the 74gb ADFD is built exactly the same from top to bottom as the 150gb with half the size. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
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You're right. Somehow I was thinking that the platter used in the WD1500ADFD was twice as dense. In any case, I don't think any desktop users should use RAID 0 (or anybody, for that matter).

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2101&p=11
Your saying 700+ watts is too much...
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/21/the_graphics_state_of_the_union/
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What am I supposed to get from that? That the next gen of video cards will use more power? Does that justify a 700W+ PSU? Let me tell you now: the build I specced earlier in this thread uses less than 10A without the video card. Let's say that the rumors about the new cards taking 300W are true - this would be from the 12V rail, so that's 25A there. ~35A total... which corresponds to a PSU of 600W. Worst case analysis. I, for one, don't think the new cards will need 300W, although if they're anywhere near that number it's probably wise to go with a single-rail supply.
Again thought, I chose the best memory he can possibly get for DDR2 for overclocking. If you can find better, plz do tell. This system should have no problems getting past 3ghz on air, even 3.5 .
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Even with value DDR2-667, he could take an E6600 to 4GHz, CPU permitting.
 
ROFL, two advisers quarreling!!!
Wars happen that way.

Here's what i think OP! for $4000 this is what i'll get if it were me.

CPU = Intel Core 2 EXtreme x6800 ($1,000)
Conroe

MOBO = nVidia nForce 590 Intel Edition ($250)
Still in Beta, but this is the only mobo that can run conroe w/ SLI

VIDEOCARD = 2x XFX 7900GTX XXX Edition($800)
this config beats a 7950 GX2 except no HDPC

MEMORY = 2x 1GB Corsair DDR2/800 ($190)
why 2Gb instead of 4GB? because it doesn't yield any performance increase for the cost.

PSU = PC Power and Cooling Silencer or Seasonic S12 Series ($170)
I recommend a 600Watt minimum.

HDD = WD Raptor X 150 ($230)
2x WD 250GB in RAID ($130)

COOLING = Zalman 9500

CASE = Lian Li ($200)


I'd get the headphones instead of the speakers, I do have a 5.1 JBL sorround sound speaker but i have a sennheiser RS100 wireless headphone and i used 90% the headphone because my wife complains a lot when i use the speakers during games and music-we dont have the same like in music, my musics are aerosmith, van halen, America, TOto, Queen, eagles etc..i am old so don't ask!!.


THIS RIG WAS BUILT BY MAXIMUM PC, a benchmark was run against Intel Extreme Edition 965 (beaten by 48%), Athlon 64 Fx 60 (beaten by 25%) on all becnhmarks!
 
Why pay $1000 for a cpu if for $300 and a little overclocking, he can get the same exact performance?

I honestly don't think he need an sli system right now. I think he needs one solid card. Also I dont think he should go out and buy a new card, but save some money and buy a used highend card. There are people selling x1900xtx's and 7900gtx's for $100 less than wat they cost. Grab one and when it's time to upgrade, then sell. 2007 is near and all the rumors are turning into product releases. New graphics cards will be far more advanced.
454Casull said:
Typo aside, here's something to think about:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...ad.php?t=106685
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Not bad, again though, I was just looking for the best of the best.
 
alik4041 said:
Why pay $1000 for a cpu if for $300 and a little overclocking, he can get the same exact performance?
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overclock what? he doesnt even know how to build a system! he was coaxed into custom building.
ur saying buy a a64 3800 and let it run like an fx 62??? when would u newbs understand that they would never be the same? clock speedwise yes they are the same, but peformance, HELL NO! run benchmarks on it and see!
 
rysher said:
overclock what? he doesnt even know how to build a system! he was coaxed into custom building.
ur saying buy a a64 3800 and let it run like an fx 62??? when would u newbs understand that they would never be the same? clock speedwise yes they are the same, but peformance, HELL NO! run benchmarks on it and see!
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They have the same exact specs even cache wise...running it at 2.93ghz would give you almost the same exact performance. I think you need to visit anandtech, extrememtech, etc. Look at the benchmarks and the difference. They look pretty similar, only difference is clock speed. And from the benchmarks, as the clock speed is raised, and becomes more equal to the x6800, performance is almost identical.
 
rysher said:
basic needed for pc build:
-- cpu (conroe) conroe is dual core
-- memory (corsair)
-- hdd (Western digital)
-- psu (seasonic, pc power n cooling)
-- case (lian li, antec-- i prefer lian li)
-- optical drive (plextor- if you can afford it, i prefer sony)
-- video card (nvidia or ati, i prefer nvidia)

most retail cpu comes w/ heatsink and fan, most cases comes w/ psu(a(i suggest get a better psu),
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I agree on your list except if you existing case is good use it. My Antec case is like 10years old and, has had the guts change alot. Assembly is a no-brainer for the most part. Its pretty much slot A to slot B shit. Except for connecting the power button and, such and, that can make you nuts if they are put on backwards. :D I have done it before.
 
alik4041 said:
Why pay $1000 for a cpu if for $300 and a little overclocking, he can get the same exact performance?

I honestly don't think he need an sli system right now. I think he needs one solid card. Also I dont think he should go out and buy a new card, but save some money and buy a used highend card. There are people selling x1900xtx's and 7900gtx's for $100 less than wat they cost. Grab one and when it's time to upgrade, then sell. 2007 is near and all the rumors are turning into product releases. New graphics cards will be far more advanced.

Not bad, again though, I was just looking for the best of the best.
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So what does the Asus board have that the Gigabyte doesn't, that sovay will use? And is it worth $100?
 
alik4041 said:
They have the same exact specs even cache wise...running it at 2.93ghz would give you almost the same exact performance. I think you need to visit anandtech, extrememtech, etc. Look at the benchmarks and the difference. They look pretty similar, only difference is clock speed. And from the benchmarks, as the clock speed is raised, and becomes more equal to the x6800, performance is almost identical.
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keyword = almost the same exact performance
keyword = performance is almost identical
i think u need to visit anandtech, extremetech, etc...urself!
when are you newbs gonna get it? they'll never be the same!! ALMOST! he ALMOST got run over by a car is not the same as he was run over by the car.!!!


 
Is going for a SLI mobo worth it? Also, with an SLI mobo, can I solo GPU, or do I have to get two?

Also, I've decided on the G15 keyboard and the G7 mouse. I need a good moniter and a nice pair of headphones still.

thanks,
-sovay
 
headphones- go w/ sennheiser rs100- it's wireless and w/ good good attenuation and range, cost about $50.
monitor- go w/ viewsonic 2025vxm ws or dell 2007wfp $369, dell have it on sale
About the SLI, your computer will run in a single video card or sli set-up. having an sli mobo is an advantage. always leave urself room to upgrade, having an SLI mobo gives you the option to go SLI later on if you decide to go that way.
example, you buy a video card worth $300 now, down the road maybe in 6-8 months that video card would cost $100. Don't you want to go SLI?
 
454Casull said:
You're right. Somehow I was thinking that the platter used in the WD1500ADFD was twice as dense. In any case, I don't think any desktop users should use RAID 0 (or anybody, for that matter).
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The 740ADFD is a single 74GB platter. The 1500ADFD is two 74GB platters. There should be a minimal performance difference, and the seeks on the 74Gb are actually slightly faster due to the single platter design.

To the OP, I would go with a single-card GPU solution rather than SLI, unless you really like spending your money. People who bought 2 6800GTs for $400+ apiece were disappointed when the 7900 series came out and offered the same performance in a single card.
 
sovay said:
Is going for a SLI mobo worth it? Also, with an SLI mobo, can I solo GPU, or do I have to get two?

Also, I've decided on the G15 keyboard and the G7 mouse. I need a good moniter and a nice pair of headphones still.

thanks,
-sovay
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Well, first you have to spring for an SLI mobo which is usually more expensive, and the initial cost of two video cards is quite high. I believe selling your current video card and buying a single next-gen card would get you better bang for the buck compared to getting two and then having to replace both. You can use one video card in an SLI motherboard.

The Viewsonic VX2025WM is quite popular, although if you have the space CRTs still beat LCDs in some departments.

It's hard to recommend headphones without knowing what you like. Test-driving them is great if you have that option... but at the very least, read at head-fi.org.

Here's a good amp: http://www.electric-avenues.com/amplifiers.html
 
rysher said:
keyword = almost the same exact performance
keyword = performance is almost identical
i think u need to visit anandtech, extremetech, etc...urself!
when are you newbs gonna get it? they'll never be the same!! ALMOST! he ALMOST got run over by a car is not the same as he was run over by the car.!!!
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Ya your right. I missed the .01% difference. My bad :rolleyes:
 
Ok, I've already got the G15 keyboard, the G7 mouse and the VX2025WM LCD display.
I'm going with the Dual 2 Core E6600, but I still need virtually everything else.

So, I still need my mobo, gpu, psu, memory (probably going with 2x 1gb corsairs, unless a better option is available), cd drive, case, and a hdd, right? Am I forgetting anything?

Note: I'll be going with that cool headphone amp/sennheiser headphones.
 
sovay said:
Ok, I've already got the G15 keyboard, the G7 mouse and the VX2025WM LCD display.
I'm going with the Dual 2 Core E6600, but I still need virtually everything else.

So, I still need my mobo, gpu, psu, memory (probably going with 2x 1gb corsairs, unless a better option is available), cd drive, case, and a hdd, right? Am I forgetting anything?

Note: I'll be going with that cool headphone amp/sennheiser headphones.
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AFAIK, wireless headphones come with an amp built in. They also tend to be inferior to wired headphones, but if you want both headphones and free-roaming past the range of a cable, there's no other option...

Everything you need is in the builds we picked out.
 
For a power supply I would suggest a P C Power & Cooling Silencer 750. This leaves you plent of room to upgrade your components, plus they have a 3 year warrenty. Don't forget about buying thermal paste, I would recomment Artic Silver. You also need to get cables and possibly a couple of intake/ exaust fans. The other thing that I would recommend is a memory card reader. They are fairly cheap and come in both 3.5 and 5.25 in varities.

Have you decided on a case? I would recommend the Thermaltake Armor JR. It is a mid tower, comes in black and silver. That case gives you plenty of room to work, and plenty of space for storage.

What about optical drives? I would go with the plextor 760. I have always had really good luck with that brand. There are others that are cheaper, you are just going to have to plan well. I suggest using an excel spread sheet or something similar.
First make a list of EVERY component you want or need, then search for the brands and features you want, once you have decided on an item, then you can add it into Excel and put in things like cost, and S/H. This will give you a running total, and also give you an idea how much you have to spend
 
alik4041 said:
Ya your right. I missed the .01% difference. My bad :rolleyes:
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Of course I am right!
small difference?
ALMOST got run over by a car and got run over by a car is a HUGE difference.
it is between life and death.

ur $1.00 DOLLAR isn't $1.00 dollar if it is missing .01 cents.
if ur going to close on a house and you need 10% downpayment, let us say the house is 300,000= 10% of 300k is 30,000. Do you think the bank would finance you if you'd come up .01% short of 30,000?

you should take philisophy, and you'll know what a big difference a word can make.
 
rysher said:
Of course I am right!
small difference?
ALMOST got run over by a car and got run over by a car is a HUGE difference.
it is between life and death.

ur $1.00 DOLLAR isn't $1.00 dollar if it is missing .01 cents.
if ur going to close on a house and you need 10% downpayment, let us say the house is 300,000= 10% of 300k is 30,000. Do you think the bank would finance you if you'd come up .01% short of 30,000?

you should take philisophy, and you'll know what a big difference a word can make.
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In this topic, it's not a life or death situation. It's not gonna kill his pc if he's down .01% if he decided to pay $300 instead of $1000 and save the $700 to buy something that can increase the other features of his pc. Quit your issues with philosophy and that crap and tell it like it is. Your metaphors are nothing of relation with this topic. Quit the BS and get down to price/performance. And speaking of price/performance, sovay if you choose the asus you will now you have latest chipset up to date and you're getting the best performance guranteed. If you choose the gigabyte you will be saving some money, while having a great motherboard at the same time. You're call. I just figured with the 4k cad, you would choose the asus. That's my 2 cents. Both are good motherboards, up to you. For the graphics card btw, I would say the x1900xt like wat casull suggested. And again for price/performance, even though the x-fi fatal1ty is overpriced and the x-fi xtreme music is more reasonable, I would still say to go with the fatal1ty only because there won't be something to replace it for a long long time. And that 750 silencer is an excellent psu. Good pick.
 
alik4041 said:
In this topic, it's not a life or death situation. It's not gonna kill his pc if he's down .01% if he decided to pay $300 instead of $1000 and save the $700 to buy something that can increase the other features of his pc. Quit your issues with philosophy and that crap and tell it like it is. Your metaphors are nothing of relation with this topic. Quit the BS and get down to price/performance. And speaking of price/performance, sovay if you choose the asus you will now you have latest chipset up to date and you're getting the best performance guranteed. If you choose the gigabyte you will be saving some money, while having a great motherboard at the same time. You're call. I just figured with the 4k cad, you would choose the asus. That's my 2 cents. Both are good motherboards, up to you. For the graphics card btw, I would say the x1900xt like wat casull suggested. And again for price/performance, even though the x-fi fatal1ty is overpriced and the x-fi xtreme music is more reasonable, I would still say to go with the fatal1ty only because there won't be something to replace it for a long long time. And that 750 silencer is an excellent psu. Good pick.
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u NEWBS never get it! that's why u remains newbs! u overclock a $300 cpu and compare it to stock $1000 cpu. overclock the $1000 cpu as well and compare. if u cant afford it, by all means get the cheaper one.
 
I understand that people have their own opinions on what is the best component for buying/ building a new rig.
This forum is for people to discuss and debate those differances.
I really wish people would stop acting like children and grow up!! Is all the recent flaming of others necessary?
Can we not just have friendly debates and discussions without peoples' feelings getting hurt? Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
If you don't like it present your side in a logical adult manner, then don't. It gets old when 50% of the posts in a thread are flames against others.
When a person, (at least myself) decides to build a new rig, that person has a basic idea of what they want and how much they can spend. If someone can not afford to buy a FX-60 then by all means they should buy what they can afford and overclock. I understand that a lower end chip overclocked does not equal the higher end chip, but if that all they can afford, then that is all they can afford, period.
I really wish people would put aside their egos and learn from others.

Just because Conroe is faster, does not mean that a person should necessaryly go with it, and in the same statement, AM2 isn't always the best choise either.
Building a computer, is not just about having the latest and greatest components, it's about the expirience, the learning, and the "friends" you make a long the way. Let us not forget that.
 
Jarod888 said:
I understand that people have their own opinions on what is the best component for buying/ building a new rig.
This forum is for people to discuss and debate those differances.
I really wish people would stop acting like children and grow up!! Is all the recent flaming of others necessary?
Can we not just have friendly debates and discussions without peoples' feelings getting hurt? Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
If you don't like it present your side in a logical adult manner, then don't. It gets old when 50% of the posts in a thread are flames against others.
When a person, (at least myself) decides to build a new rig, that person has a basic idea of what they want and how much they can spend. If someone can not afford to buy a FX-60 then by all means they should buy what they can afford and overclock. I understand that a lower end chip overclocked does not equal the higher end chip, but if that all they can afford, then that is all they can afford, period.
I really wish people would put aside their egos and learn from others.

Just because Conroe is faster, does not mean that a person should necessaryly go with it, and in the same statement, AM2 isn't always the best choise either.
Building a computer, is not just about having the latest and greatest components, it's about the expirience, the learning, and the "friends" you make a long the way. Let us not forget that.
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Thank you Dr. Phil lol
 
the budget is there, the money is there. op can afford it. these newbs keep on insisting that a lower end chip that is overclocked can match up to higher end chip (and keep higher end chip on stock speeds, why not overclock the high end chip and see, conroe is famous for hitting 4ghz on air- as so i read). if these newbs can't afford it, they should look at the first post and see that the op can afford it. as you've said "a lower end chip overclocked will never be equal to higher end chip overclocked". i beg u to repeat it to these newbs.

i am not here to make "friends" i am here to learn and help others as other people had helped me once.
we will never be friends here, friends invite each other to their houses during bdays, july 4th, thanksgiving, christmas etc. we are all acquaintances.
 
rysher said:
u NEWBS never get it! that's why u remains newbs! u overclock a $300 cpu and compare it to stock $1000 cpu. overclock the $1000 cpu as well and compare. if u cant afford it, by all means get the cheaper one.
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"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
 
454Casull said:
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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u remain silent, u probably have no degree anyway. plus, u newb never get it.
 
rysher said:
u remain silent, u probably have no degree anyway. plus, u newb never get it.
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A degree? What are you, an MCSE? A+?

hahahhhahahahhaha

EDIT: I shouldn't be talking, I'm a "newb".
 
Ok, thanks for the help everyone, and I've decided on quite a number of things..
CPU will be the E6600.
Mobo will be the P5W DH Deluxe because I can get it $20 off, and, opposed to the other mobos, this one is in stock. Now, this mobo has crossfire, so should I go with ATI cards, then?
My memory will be 2x Corsair Value Select etc/ unless someone thinks I should really go with something else due to my mobo and cpu etc.
HHD will be this unless there's a better option, OR, should I go with this?
PSU will be this, unless it isn't compatable with system etc.
Sound card is the X-FI Xtreme Music.

So, really all I have yet to decide on are the heatsink/cooling (note that I plan to pick up some AS5 thermal paste), video card (mobo has Crossfire, so should I pick ATI over nVidia, or does it not matter?), and optical drive (can a DVD burner run CDROMs?). Of course, I am still willing to swap out some of my already decided parts (with the exception of the mobo and the cpu) if better things are available.
Oh, and I need a nice pair of 3D sound headphones, and I don't mind spending money on these.

Thanks,
sovay
 
If you plan to run Crossfire, go with ATI cards. Otherwise, any PCIe video card will work.

The Raptors are faster but louder. The one you linked doesn't say if it's the old or new version of the 74GB Raptor.

DVD drives can read CDs just fine.

The Scythe Ninja is one of the best HSFs available.

If you really need surround sound, you may as well go with a good 4/5.1 setup unless you don't have the space. Some headphones do come with processors that emulate surround sound (but are otherwise normal cans).

EDIT: What you COULD do (and I don't see anything wrong with it) is to get a high-end set of cans, a good amp (I hear the PA2V2 is great), AND the JVC SU-DH1 Dolby Headphone processor and the Auzentech X-Plosion sound card. The processor requires a digital input, AFAIK, and only sound cards with DTS Connect can pass anything more than stereo sound/pre-encoded sound (AC3, for instance) through digital-out. Dolby Headphone converts surround sound (e.g. 5.1) into 2.0 for headphones, but it's supposed to sound like the multi-channel source.

That or you can eschew the processor and wait for the Auzentech X-Purity to come out, which has Dolby Headphone built-in.
 
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