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NEED HELP with frames

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Praetorius

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I'm laying out a website and having a heck of a time getting HTML to split up the frames properly.

Here's exactly how I want it:

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Could some web guru please help me figure out what the proper frame code should be?
 
Praetorius said:
I don't know how to use css.
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There's a rule I heard a few years ago, and it's still apt today: Only use frames if you absolutely have to. Otherwise, use ( then ) tables. Now, it's css for layout. *shudder*

I hear css is the "Thing(tm)", so I'm going to have to support that suggestion, although I, myself, use tables still for layout. :D
 
are you wanting that top-right block to be top-right aligned at all times, and then that variable top-block to expand/decrease based on users' browser?

same thing for the bottom-left block -- always in bottom left corner?
 
CSS is actually very easy and extremely powerful once you get to know it. It doesn't take long to pick it up.

Tables should be used for, well, tables of data.
 
Tim_USMC said:
are you wanting that top-right block to be top-right aligned at all times, and then that variable top-block to expand/decrease based on users' browser?

same thing for the bottom-left block -- always in bottom left corner?
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yeah, the top-right block will contain a banner which is locked at a resolution of 606x82 pixels. The variable top-block's width would expand or decrease based whatever the viewer's window size is. Same for the bottom-left block. The bottom left corner will contain a search box and visitor counter.
 
Tim_USMC said:
CSS is actually very easy and extremely powerful once you get to know it. It doesn't take long to pick it up.

Tables should be used for, well, tables of data.
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OMG "tables should be used for tables!!!", CPUs should be run at stock speed, etc etc.

Forget that. The day CNN goes CSS, I will as well. Till then tables are the way to go to get consistent looks no matter what browser the end-user is using. CSS is just not 100% cross browser compatible.

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@Praetorius, according to w3schools about 25% of Internet users are still browsing at 800x600. making a page that forces horizontal scrolling at 800x600 is bad design imo.
 
Thuleman said:
Praetorius, according to w3schools about 25% of Internet users are still browsing at 800x600. making a page that forces horizontal scrolling at 800x600 is bad design imo.
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Are you saying 25% is too small a percentage and don't bother? or that they're still worth catering to? My layout is 800x600 user friendly and is variable to adjust for screen resolutions greater than that. I myself browse at 1280x1024.
 
I do have to admit that I was initially confused when I made my previous post. In my attempt to efficiently multitask I had added your page up to like 900-some pixels, not exactly sure why. 900-some being obviously not 800x600 friendly. 784 px is probably fine for all but a very small percentage of all users. I forget which of the 120874 browsers out there will give you trouble, but I seem to remember that 770 is the "safe" number for 800x600 users.
 
Tim_USMC said:
CSS is actually very easy and extremely powerful once you get to know it. It doesn't take long to pick it up.

Tables should be used for, well, tables of data.
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yes, so I hear. I've played, some, with css, and it's just not as easy and quick to get a layout done in as a table. With a table, you know how it's going to look in all browsers. With css, unless you have the familarity, you never know which tag won't work in which browser, or worse, how they'll work differently from each other.

Lots of fun.

Again, this is for my own use. And I am perfectly willing to admit I'm behind the times.
 
ok the easiest way to do this is to lay out the page either with CSS or tables. Either way you will be fine. In each section where you have the frames/tables/css split up, use php incudes. I would first build it on one main template, then after that you could piece it all together, keeping one main style sheet.

should work fine, if you have any questions about php includes google it.. there VERY simple.
 
How do I keep a top banner fixed with scrolling enabled in the main body without frames? You can't do that with CSS, can you?
 
k well if he wants to have that right bottom block scroll, and still resize vertically, there goes your CSS Mozilla Users! HAH! overflow:auto requires fixed height in non-IE, so break out your javascript if you don't wanna use frame









IE rules
 
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