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Need Advice on Upgrade

What resolution are you running? I'd say GTX 460, but I'm probably biased because I have two and they're great. :)
 
KatalDT said:
What resolution are you running? I'd say GTX 460, but I'm probably biased because I have two and they're great. :)
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yes we need to know the res but a stock gtx460 would not even be an upgrade in for many games.

OP, a gtx460 would be of no use for you since in many cases a stock one is no faster and you are not willing to oc. why you cant take 30 seconds to move a slider and pick up an additional 20% is beyond me. if you have an aftermarket cpu cooler then you certainly need to oc your cpu too. it will easily do 3.6 so I don't know how you had trouble doing that. the only cards that will be a significant upgrade are a gtx480 or gtx580 but with with your cpu there will be some games where you will see little to no improvement.
 
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KatalDT said:
Really? I went from a 5770 to the GTX 460 @ 1920x1200. I tried single card first, and it absolutely is a massive upgrade.
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overall a gtx460 is about equal to a gtx285 with the gtx460 actually being slower in some cases. a 5770 is not even quite as fast as a gtx260 so your upgrade was larger. and really going from a 5770 to a gtx460 its not as massive as you think it is unless that gtx460 is overclocked.
 
cannondale06 said:
a 5770 is not even quite as fast as a gtx260 so your upgrade was larger. and really going from a 5770 to a gtx460 its not as massive as you think it is unless that gtx460 is overclocked.
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He has an 8800GT, not a GTX 260.

Better thing to find out would be his price range. If he can afford something better than a GTX 460, he should get that. Otherwise, he should get the 460. I wouldn't drop below the 460 though.
 
KatalDT said:
He has an 8800GT, not a GTX 260.

Better thing to find out would be his price range. If he can afford something better than a GTX 460, he should get that. Otherwise, he should get the 460. I wouldn't drop below the 460 though.
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sorry I misread what he said.

yeah OP I would go with a gtx460 1gb. you can buy a factory overclocked one but seriously all it takes is just moving the slider and every gtx460 will do at least 800-825 without even touching voltage.
 
Skakruk said:
What, overclock the GTX 460? Won't the E8400 be the bottleneck?
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yes it will be in some cases. for games like Clear Sky, Metro 2033, Call of Pripyat, Just Cause 2 and many others though overclocking the gtx460 would be helpful.
 
Skakruk said:
Well, out of interest, approx what's the best card I could get before the E8400 becomes an issue?
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three is no definitive answer because every game is different. at 1600 though the gtx460 1gb is the highest I would go. the gtx460 is a cool running, quiet card this reasonably priced. any faster starts to have very diminishing returns with your cpu and at 1600.
 
Skakruk said:
My primary concerns would be:

Crysis series
Stalker Series
Metro 2033
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well a gtx460 is perfect for those games at 1600. a small oc on that gtx460 and you will be getting almost everything possible out of your system at 1600.
 
Skakruk said:
What's the 460 like with regards to coil whine? The GTX 285 is a nightmare.
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not sure but I don't recall seeing any complaints. the only time I ever hear it on my gtx260 is when going through the start up videos in Crysis with vsync off. even then I have to listen for it because its very very faint.

EDIT: the gtx460 handles AA very well and will kick my gtx260 cards ass with it where without AA its barely faster. at 1600 you will be able to use plenty of AA and still have nice framerates too. in cases where the cpu is not a limitation a gtx460 will easily be twice as fast as your 8800gt while using AA.
 
Skakruk said:
What about vs the GTX 285? As long as I don't see my brother's rig outperforming mine I'll be happy... :p
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like I already mentioned, the gtx460 and gtx285 are basically even. the gtx460 has more potential though because it has a free 20-25% more performance available through overclocking and it scales linearly.
 
iviyth0s said:
What's your max budget OP??
If you don't want overclock, here's a 4870x2 for $125....certainly BLOWS the rest of the cards away in this price bracket and you dont need to overclock to do so.
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while that is a great deal I see no point in fooling with crossfire issues. for 50 bucks more he can have a brand new gtx460 that is cooler, quieter, consumes much less power and is not too much slower.
 
Just thought I'd recommend it, I mean hell. NOTHING will beat that at $125, Doubling the price even has only a few things biting at it's toes.
If one knows how to just enable triple buffering in CCC, microstutters begone!

I <3 my 4870x2 :3

The quiet part is subjective, my cousin's Palit 460 has a more noticable fan than my card
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anyway, why not get a 460 1GB and call it an enjoyable system, the 6800s are overpriced, 470 not worth it (same boat as 6800s). 480s are decent for $325 on the forums here but like you said, it's power shall go unutilized

you could always wair for the new cards (560,570,6950,6970) to come out also
 
iviyth0s, turning on triple buffering from CCC does NOT do anything for DX games. that setting is for OpenGL only. you will have to force triple buffering on through a third party app like Rivatuner if you want it to work in DX games.
 
cannondale06 said:
iviyth0s, turning on triple buffering from CCC does NOT do anything for DX games. that setting is for OpenGL only. you will have to force triple buffering on through a third party app like Rivatuner if you want it to work in DX games.
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Well of course run Vsync in all games too, I honestly haven't seen any microstutters with my card since I did all that

Skakruk said:
I'm pretty sure triple buffering isn't a magical cure for microstutter. If it was, there wouldn't be any debate over microstutter at all. I remember microstutter with my 9800GX2, and I'm pretty sure I had triple buffer enabled, as I always enable it for v-sync.
I have considered that. It's just that in the past when I've started the waiting game, I usually end up waiting indefinitely :D There's always another upcoming release that will be *the* card...
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It's not the magical cure but it's part of it :p

Ya but these are coming out VERY soon so it's not that long of a wait and it's not just one card....it's 4 of them to really shake up the market!
 
Skakruk said:
I use DXOverrrider.

Oh bugger. I see the GTX580 already in the shops on pre order. Must resist.
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that would be a complete waste at your resolution. there is in fact no difference between a 580GTX and 6850 at that res.

you have all kinds of options here (all these are from 11/20/10 hot deals post), lower end cost wise there is a 115 dollar 460GTX 768mb that would work. there is a 150 dollar 5850 (big ass rebate to get that though). a 170 dollar 460GTX.

slightly faster the stock 460GTX is a asus 6850 from new egg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121399 for 190.

I am having a hard time recommending the 6870 as its running 20 to 30 dollars over MSRP putting them on the same plain as the 5870 (faster) are at.

you can also get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...6&cm_re=galaxy_gtx_460-_-14-162-056-_-Product for 180 AR. its higher end OCed card that runs at 810.
 
Skakruk said:
Are you referring to the standard HSF design or the external exhaust version. I was going to go EE for obvious reasons, but then I saw a review saying that it was louder than the original cooler.

Any thoughts on noise re standardd cooler (central fan) vs external exhausting GTX 460?
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EE is somewhat loud and makes an annoying fan noise too from what most have said. I would go with the standard cooler.
 
Skakruk said:
What about vs the GTX 285? As long as I don't see my brother's rig outperforming mine I'll be happy... :p
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If you want to clearly beat a 285 then you'd want a GTX 470. When are you planning to upgrade?
I think the GTX 560 and 570 should be coming out soon and both should be faster than the 460.
Also what's your budget and your PSU?
 
Skakruk said:
Budget isn't really limited. Nor is PSU.

I only see the GTX 580 listed for pre order. How soon is soon? I don't want to be waiting long.

Is the GTX 470 hot like the 480?
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budget isn't limited? you said in the op that you were too poor to upgrade your cpu. using a gtx580 with a dual core cpu is very wasteful and a much cheaper card would give you the same playable performance in most games. and what do you mean the 580 is only up fro pre order? that card has been out for a while now. and yes the reference cooled gtx470 runs hot and loud. not quite as bad as the gtx480 though.
 
I would just get a gtx460 1gb since they are pretty cheap right now. a gtx570 will likely be quite expensive and who knows when the gtx560 is even coming out. plus the gtx560 could also be 100 bucks more than the gtx460 especially at launch. again if you want something now just get the gtx460 1gb. not to mention it will retain a lot of its value too when you sell it down the road.
 
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