Need Advice Large High FPS LCD

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Sunin

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I'd like to get a 30 inch display, price is not an issue, but I do want it to be a monitor not an LCD TV as my Sharp 52 inch Aquos use small dots versus pixels. I have twin 8800GTX's to run the monitor. I'd ideally like to run my viewsonic as a 2nd display for things like Vent. Where the primary would be this new LCD.

1. Is there any revisions of the Samsung 305T or similar due soon?
2. Is there any decent gaming LCD's at larger sizes
3. Cost is not too much of a factor I'd be willing to go up to $1500 for a quality display.

When I say High FPS were talking 120fps or more. I'm currently playing games like Oblivion, Vanguard, etc.

Any help appreciated!!!
 
I don't think there'll be anything over 120fps soon as even Displayport doesn't support 120fps at WQXGA... (10,8 Gbit max) everything out now supports 60fps which is the max for dual-link DVI (theoretically a little more would be possible with reduced blanking as it is used on 24'' single link displays maybe ~70fps)
 
So basically my best bet then is to buy a 2nd $200 Viewsonic 2ms monitor, and jsut live with the 1280x1024 gaming world for a while longer?
 
and you need 120fps why?

You cannot even tell a difference dude...movies and tv are all at 30fps for comparison....
 
Simply because if the game is running at 120 fps and monitor is only 30 or 60fps then you get tearing. Faster the better and if you ever played a game at 30fps 60fps and then 120fps things feel a lot more fluid!

As such I was looking at this from newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116084

might be the best comprimise I can live with loosing 2inches but still retain 3ms refresh.

And cost is only 660ish, so that paired with my VX922 should provide decent gaming but allow dual screens.

Thoughts?
 
can you really tell the difference when a game is running at a steady 60 or 120 fps. I can't and I play a lot of different games. the most important thing is to have a constant fps.
I havent had any tearing with my monitor and thats why there is vsync, dont use it but if you are getting tearing it fixes that.


the monitor you picked out looks fine maybe look at the dell?
 
120 fps is an 8ms monitor. (ms refresh rate)^-1 is the max fps the display is capable of showing, but if you are using an lcd over dvi you will be limited to 60hz and about 75hz if you use vga cable. If you get an lcd you will only be able to see a max 60 or 75 fps depending on the connection. Getting an lcd for high fps is pretty pointless but whatevz. If you really want high fps get a crt.

plus on a 1920x1200 you have 2.304 Mpixels to move around so if you play at non native it will look pretty bad unless you use 1:1 pixel mapping and then the image is just small.

I can tell the difference until around 85hz after that it all pretty much feels the same.
 
Well that monitor I listed is an HDMI model... can't HDMI handle 120hz? If not then why are companies doing a huge push to 120hz versus leaving them at 60hz? Would I not be able to set it for 120hz then or faster?

It is also a 3ms response time, which what translates to 6ms full spectrum or at least 8 and thus should be good to go for 120hz settings? Just would be nice to have a monitor that cna actually display the frames i'm getting in game to allow for pure silky game play.
 
You aren't going to find any LCD monitors (as in non-TVs) on the consumer market that do 120hz actually. The response rate has nothing to do with the actual ability of the monitor to display that speed. It just means the pixels can switch that fast. AFAIK, the only 120hz LCDs on the market are very expensive LCD tvs.

Newegg has some:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102161

There have been announcements of consumer monitors at 120hz at some point in the near future, but they are not out yet.
 
BombermanX is right with regards to finding a true LCD monitor that does 120hz. All of the current computer monitors on the market that are big ie 24-30inch only do 60hz at their max resolution.

The other issue is that on some TV's that are stating 120hz are actually not taking the true 120hz signal (in this case just a 60hz signal from the TV etc) and are just converting it to give the perception of 120hz. I have been reading some of the reviews out there as well as a few threads on the AVS forum. I am not to sure on this but like I said this is what I have been reading. Apparently there might be some 120hz TV's that will really do 120hz and take the signal etc but I am still researching this...

Another thing I was reading about on this conversion process (again this is what i was reading) was that it would take 24hz and times it by 5 to get the 120hz (as stated before this is not exactly the same as feeding 120hz directly to a monitor) I am pretty sure this last theory/statement is wrong but I thought I would add it because it looked like it could be possible.

I do know if you have a true 120hz LCD that in theory is doing everything right (no conversions etc) then you should be able to feed it 120hz and get FPS' upto 120 with no tearing.

The reason 120hz TV's are in right now is because they can take a true 24hz frame from Blu-Ray or HD DVD and display them at the films true framerate which is 24FPS. The Ideal resolution for a HD movie is 1920 x 1080p at 24hz. a 120 hz TV is able to display it correctly because it is an exact number and not a fraction. This means that there will be no conversions and it will look more natural (like at the movies etc)

Let me know if you have any questions on this or if I need to clear some of my post up etc... Hope this helped.
 
Sunin said:
Well that monitor I listed is an HDMI model... can't HDMI handle 120hz? If not then why are companies doing a huge push to 120hz versus leaving them at 60hz? Would I not be able to set it for 120hz then or faster?

It is also a 3ms response time, which what translates to 6ms full spectrum or at least 8 and thus should be good to go for 120hz settings? Just would be nice to have a monitor that cna actually display the frames i'm getting in game to allow for pure silky game play.
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yeah for high fps, I believe this to be quite unfortunate, you need a crt. Those monitors would be perfect for high fps gaming if the technology supported it.
 
Call me crazy but I have this weird deja vu about this thread, exact thread with exact the same posts, but much older. Is this thread really just a couple of days old?
 
Call me crazy but I have this weird deja vu about this thread, exact thread with exact the same posts, but much older. Is this thread really just a couple of days old?
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The thread is new but the question about LCD refresh rate has been around since the technology was introduced ^_^

About 120Hz TVs
The 120Hz TVs aren't developed to take PC signals so the 120Hz will be some kind of modified HDTV signal fed to the TV at a max of 60Hz.
720p (1280x720) 60fps is the fastest HDTV spec and the 60Hz 1080i (1920x1080) signal is only 30fps or 60fields (interlaced half pictures) per sec.
So even the often supported 1080p at 60Hz is above what the TVs are originally intended for.
There is a possibility that HDMI 1.3 will support higher framerates through it's higher data rate but it's main aim seems to be increasing the color dept, and as mentioned, there aren't any TV signals above 60Hz and I can't imagine a manufacturer to fit a TV with more expensive electronics that would only be used coupled with a PC sending a signal far out of the current HDMI specifications...
 
Benny said:
There is a possibility that HDMI 1.3 will support higher framerates through it's higher data rate but it's main aim seems to be increasing the color dept, and as mentioned, there aren't any TV signals above 60Hz and I can't imagine a manufacturer to fit a TV with more expensive electronics that would only be used coupled with a PC sending a signal far out of the current HDMI specifications...
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Everything you say is true about TV's, but if he really wants a 1280x1024. That can be done at 120 fps, and will be in some upcoming models made specifically for computers. But don't expect to see a 30" monitor at 120hz until a newer cabling standard is released.
 
Thank you everyone I found the information extremely useful! I think what it points to is I probably should just be happy with the monitor I linked and set Vsync to a max of 60fps and be happy with that as it should provide the best game play. I wonder if some of the hitching i get is from the video card trying to force FPS in excess of 150fps on a 60 fps pipe... wonder how that is handled... do some frames just get dropped and thus that hitching feel?

Thanks again for the info I will be watchings these over the next couple of weeks.
 
Your monitor isn't actually forcing 150fps. It's probably doing 60hz or maybe 120hz with blanking. But in any case, the 150fps (which I think you're deriving from response time) has nothing to do with the actual frames being displayed. It just determines how fast the pixels can switch effectively.
 
I will say those 2ms displays suck...great they refresh fast and you get all the FPS you want, but their picture quality is not the best and their colors are way off (I am a gamer and photographer...).

I have never seen tearing, ghosting, or anything like that on my 8ms panels.
 
Sunin said:
Well that monitor I listed is an HDMI model... can't HDMI handle 120hz? If not then why are companies doing a huge push to 120hz versus leaving them at 60hz? Would I not be able to set it for 120hz then or faster?

It is also a 3ms response time, which what translates to 6ms full spectrum or at least 8 and thus should be good to go for 120hz settings? Just would be nice to have a monitor that cna actually display the frames i'm getting in game to allow for pure silky game play.
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Using a 60Hz monitor with Vsync shouldn't be a problem then, since you're getting well over 60FPS in your games. No 120Hz monitors exist today that are not professional-class CRTs.
 
Sunin said:
I'd like to get a 30 inch display, price is not an issue, but I do want it to be a monitor not an LCD TV as my Sharp 52 inch Aquos use small dots versus pixels.
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Can I hijack your own topic for a sec.? How is your satisfaction level w/ your Sharp 52? And which 52" did you buy, as there are 3 x Sharp 52.
 
The 52 inch was not the current model I think it was 52d62U or something like that. It was the revision before this most recent which includes DVI input.

Overall I love the LCD... it games very well and the only issue I have is a slight banding problem with 1 band where it seems they had sandwiched two panels together. No real dead pixel issues and colors are super vibrant!

I love it overall I wish I would have waited until now where you can pick it up for close to 2k.
 
Don't put VSync on if you're playing a shooting game like CS or CS:S because I can tell you from experience, the recoil is different and it feels really odd. In some shooting games like CS 1.6, there is a big difference between 60 FPS and 100FPS.
 
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