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Need A watercooling System

You can find all your watercooling needs at VoyeurMods.

How cheap are we talking here? My suggestion would be:

-DangerDen RBX for your CPU or Swiftech MCW6002-64 (Doesn't look as good as RBX, but is cheaper and performs better)
-Maze4GPU with Acetal Top for GPU, RAM sinks optional, but recommended
-Painted Heatercore, or if you want to spend the case one of the BIX rads, size depends on how much space/how much you want to mod your case
-DDC or D4 pump
-Tubing and acessories

All in all this should come out to about $250.
 
viperdv2k4 said:
The big water costs areound 125 so, any recomandations for a around $50 gpu block for a BFG 6800 Ultra OC?
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Enigma422 said:
-Maze4GPU with Acetal Top for GPU, RAM sinks optional, but recommended
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I dunno how well the big water is gonna work with another heat source / restriction in the loop though, especially since I don't know much about the kit itself...
 
Enigma422 said:
All in all this should come out to about $250.
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that's quite a bit higher than his stated budget of $175.

it will perform one heck of a lot better than the bigwater, it's just above budget.

on the plus side, those plastic cases are reasonably easy to cut into with a fine-tooth hand saw.

before i start suggesting things, i have to ask you viperd2k4, if you are much of a handy man. there are a tonne of ways to save money and have good performance, if you are willing to shop around at various local stores, and do some work yourself.

the bigwater is just not all that great a system, and you'd almost certainly get as good or better performance with nice air cooling. it would also cost less, and be a lot less work.
 
DFI Daishi said:
the bigwater is just not all that great a system, and you'd almost certainly get as good or better performance with nice air cooling.
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I keep seeing this in this forum. Where is it coming from? I have a big water. I promise you there is not an air solution (sans 15 case fans running at 600db) that will perform better. If you're talking about the XP-90 / XP-120, i've checked their results on a test system similar to my own (3.2E at 4.) I've yet to get my CPU past 55 at load.There's no way there's an air solution on the market that can compete with that.

Having said that, i'm sure there are a million water kits / solutions that will outperform it. But if you're looking for something complete and cheap, it's a great kit.

To the original poster, i added this: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion...=N82E16835106059&MainItemList=N82E16835106059

Got my 6600gt agp to hit 10K and 4K on 03 and 05 respectively.
 
pigpen said:
I keep seeing this in this forum. Where is it coming from? I have a big water. I promise you there is not an air solution (sans 15 case fans running at 600db) that will perform better. If you're talking about the XP-90 / XP-120, i've checked their results on a test system similar to my own (3.2E at 4.) I've yet to get my CPU past 55 at load.There's no way there's an air solution on the market that can compete with that.
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you're comparing apples to oranges my friend.

the xp 90 and xp 120 will keep an a64 just as cool as the bigwater, depending on the fan.(and i'm not just talking about 55db ear-killers)

with the little furnace that is the p4e, it's a bit of a different ball game.
 
DFI Daishi said:
that's quite a bit higher than his stated budget of $175.

it will perform one heck of a lot better than the bigwater, it's just above budget.

on the plus side, those plastic cases are reasonably easy to cut into with a fine-tooth hand saw.

before i start suggesting things, i have to ask you viperd2k4, if you are much of a handy man. there are a tonne of ways to save money and have good performance, if you are willing to shop around at various local stores, and do some work yourself.

the bigwater is just not all that great a system, and you'd almost certainly get as good or better performance with nice air cooling. it would also cost less, and be a lot less work.
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I guess I read his initial post to quickly. Anyway, as DFI Daishi said, you can cut costs and get a great performing WCing system if you are willing to do some work yourself. However, if you want a kit, I would suggest spending the extra money and get a Swiftech kit or get the components I suggested in my original post. You bought yourself a 6800 Ultra, I'm sure you got some extra cash to spend on a good WCing system.
 
viperdv2k4 said:
I dont think i could do any work myself, im not much of a handy man... Any suggestions or other kits?
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not kits in that price range.

easy kits for quite a lot more.

good DIY for that price, but you say that you can't do it.

or can you? i'm not talking freaky-hardcore here, but using a saw to cut the case, wiring up the pump with a relay, and mounting pieces into place.
 
I've got an Asetek kit on my A64 3200+ and have been using it for almost a year now. I've been pretty happy with it froma silence point of view, but it cools decently too. I get something like 35C idle and 44C full load.

HERE is a link to the kit at Asetek.com which shows you how it might look in your plexi-case.

HERE is a link to it for sale for just over $100 at a reputable dealer.

Finally HERE is a pic of the kit installed in my rig. I made some minor mods to my kit, but those were mostly cause I was shoe-horning it into a small case. The only thing I did which I'd recommend you do is to add another 120mm fan to get a push-pull airflow going, as opposed to just pushing air into the rad. Also make sure you mount it in an orientation that will exhaust the hot air out of your case...

With the price of this kit you'll have enough money left over to get some extra tubing, a block for your GPU, and a bay reservoir from somewhere if you please. Plus as you go through this installation you'll see how easy water cooling is, and get some idea of if you'll be able to do custom mods on your own later.

This kit is complete, upgradable, and will keep your system well within acceptable temps.

Daishi, Enigma - agree?
 
decent parts, not the best, i always looked at prices for kits with the waterblocks included.

as time goes by, pretty much everything in there needs an upgrade, but i guess that it would be fine to start with.

he'll still have to cut the case the mount the rad, though.
 
If youre only looking to get everything from 1 store, you will likely pay more, but if youre willing to shop around:

RBX/TDX or 6002 w/ A64 mounting
All 3 blocks are good, but the 6002 is about $10 cheaper, and can be used with other sockets with the different mounting plates: $45 for the 6002
For this price range, if you want a pump that will run off of your psu, youll likely have to look used to stay in budget. If you can stand a power cord going out of your case, a Via Aqua 1300 is a great pump: $25
Look at DangerDen's heater cores, or on ebay for modded single 120mm fan ones, or just buy a 1977 Bonneville (2x120) or 1986 Chevette (1x120) heater core, and mod the barbs and make a shroud yourself, there are plenty of guides on how to do this: $25-$40
Tubing is easy, 10 feet of Clearflex 60 is plenty: $10
Other stuff you need includes distilled water, a T-line for getting the air bubbles out of the loop, hoseclamps to make sure no tubing comes off of any connections, and either antifreeze or hydrx: $10
That makes $115-$135, which leaves enough to maybe get a used mcp350 or D4 12v pump instead of the Via.
 
hey ikellensbro I think you missed the part where the OP said he wasn't interested in alot of modding. He doesn't feel comfortable with doing everything from scratch, and most of the parts you've listed (which I'm using in my new rig btw) will require that kind of skill.
 
So long as the heated exhaust isn't blowing into the case it would be fine. Are you talking about mounting it to the outside, or just putting in on the desk next to the case? Like what are you envisioning in your mind?
 
DFI Daishi said:
you're comparing apples to oranges my friend.

the xp 90 and xp 120 will keep an a64 just as cool as the bigwater, depending on the fan.(and i'm not just talking about 55db ear-killers)

with the little furnace that is the p4e, it's a bit of a different ball game.
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That doesn't make sense though. If an A64 can be kept as cool with an XP-90 / 120 as it can with a better cooling solution (which i know the big water is from experience with my mini furnace), why would anyone with an A64 bother with water?

Point is, if you're planning on ramping that thing up and creating more heat, which i would imagine anybody looking into water is planning to do, the big water is better than any air solution. And last time i checked, those thermalrights can get pretty damn pricey.

I'm not defending the big water kit. like i said, there are probably a million better water solutions out there. but it is untrue that there is an air solution that would give better results.
 
viperdv2k4 said:
how bout one of those swiftech kits at www.xoxide.com ? How do those perform?
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they perform okay, but are above your stated budget, need a GPU waterblock and even if you do decide to run the rad outside of the case, you should probably still rig up some way of mounting it.

trust me, i have experienced the "wonders" of a floor PC, and it's more of a pain than you probably think.
 
pigpen said:
That doesn't make sense though. If an A64 can be kept as cool with an XP-90 / 120 as it can with a better cooling solution (which i know the big water is from experience with my mini furnace), why would anyone with an A64 bother with water?

Point is, if you're planning on ramping that thing up and creating more heat, which i would imagine anybody looking into water is planning to do, the big water is better than any air solution. And last time i checked, those thermalrights can get pretty damn pricey.

I'm not defending the big water kit. like i said, there are probably a million better water solutions out there. but it is untrue that there is an air solution that would give better results.
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you can keep an A64 cooler with a beefy watercooling solution than you can keep it with a nice thermalright. you can push the a64 overclock farther while maintaining a given tempertaure with a beefy watercooling solution. and you can often do either or both of those things more quietly with the watercooling, than with the heatsink. that is why people bother with water on an a64.

rads and heatsinks dissipate the most heat per airflow when they are hot compared to the surrounding air. 55C at the processor is a good temp for a high heat processor like a prescott, what say 50C coolant temp. 50C is well above room temperature, meaning that the bigwater's so-so radiator has an easy time sheding heat.

55C is not a very good temp for an a64. something like 40C is a good processor temperature, say 36-38 coolant temp. 38C is a lot closer to room temperaure than 50C, meaning that the rad or heatsink has a hard time shedding heat, since it is not a lot hotter than the surrounding air. to keep coolant at those kinds of temperatures, it takes a lot of air, either loudly through a small rad or quietly through a big rad.

there are also coolant flow rate and waterblock design issues, but those are not so simple.........

with a modest overclock and good case air circulation, the thermalrights do about as good a job as the bigwater, on an a64.

the thermalrights may be pricey, but they are still cheaper than the bigwater or any other pre-made kit that i am aware of.

honestly, i would tend to say that thermaltake optimized the bigwater for use with intel, as opposed to AMD, and the good performance that you are getting is the result of that.
 
I do not believe that the BigWater was optimized for prescott systems. To make such an assumption is utter foolishness. The BigWater was designed for easy integration and fairly quiet cooling along with a certain amount of 'bling'. The BigWater fufills all the listed criteria and looks good all the while as well. Go out and buy one, as it's the closest you'll get to simple installation WC.

By the way Dashi, do you watercool?
 
TheLonelySwedish said:
By the way Dashi, do you watercool?
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In general I think anybody who uses peltiers these days uses water or phase change to evacuate all that heat...
 
TheLonelySwedish said:
By the way Dashi, do you watercool?
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i use thermoelectrics(peltiers), but the hot sides are cooled on water.

BIX2 with 2 panaflo U1As
danner mag 8(?WTF?) pump
DD maze 4-1 CPU and GPU
home-brew fill and bleed assembly.

i actually need more radiative capacity than i currently have. 226 watt CPU pelt, 80 watt GPU pelt.
 
viperdv2k4 said:
So, what do u recommend?
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neither of the units that you just linked do all that well, since they both take and return air to the case.

i know what kit i would reccomend if you had a bigger budget, i know what parts i would reccomend if you were game for doing some DIY.

dewhite linked a kit that he has found does decently well for somthing really basic to start out with, and is in your price range. you still need to work out how to mount everything, but that will pretty much always be an issue.

what am i supposed to say at this point?
 
DFI Daishi said:
neither of the units that you just linked do all that well, since they both take and return air to the case.

i know what kit i would reccomend if you had a bigger budget, i know what parts i would reccomend if you were game for doing some DIY.

dewhite linked a kit that he has found does decently well for somthing really basic to start out with, and is in your price range. you still need to work out how to mount everything, but that will pretty much always be an issue.

what am i supposed to say at this point?
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ditto
 
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/H20-220-R2-1.asp

scroll down the page to see the AMD kit. MSRP $238, and you can probably find a better deal shopping around at various online stores.

as for where you mount a 120 or dual 120 rad rad when you don't have 120mm fans openings: the top of your case is a pretty good place, provided that you don't need your top two drive bays. just move your optical drives down a few bays, cut openings big enough for the fans, and drill holes to screw the rad into. you can do it all with a drill and some pretty basic hand tools.

it's pointless to add an 80 mm fan to a 120mm rad. this kit get tonnes of performance just as it is.
 
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