NEC 2490wuxi2 announced

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NEC Japan has announced the 2490wuxi2. According to engadget it is to retail at $1400~ USD next month [in Japan]. Specs seem the same as the current 2490wuxi but with a slightly bumped up contrast ratio. Still no Displayport or HDMI.

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Actually we already know and the news says nothing useful. But it is NEC's fault not yours :)
 

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Please tell the input lag has been reduced. Or better yet, a through mode like on the 24WMGX3.
 

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$1400? Rip off...and I don't care how good the panel is. A 24" should not go for 1400...
 

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LOL dude be happy with 1400 $ !! today i recived mail with offer about NEC2490-BK-SV
do you know how much it cost in EU ? yes im talking about the first version of the
monitor,it cost 1550 EUROS! the "bad" thing is ill get it.

EDIT: Any info about wide gamut ?
 

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LOL dude be happy with 1400 $ !! today i recived mail with offer about NEC2490-BK-SV
do you know how much it cost in EU ? yes im talking about the first version of the
monitor,it cost 1550 EUROS! the "bad" thing is ill get it.

EDIT: Any info about wide gamut ?
you're nuts...I'd at least expect LED backlit at that price point (if for just the longevity of the monitor).
 

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Well to be honest 4 years is enough for me even i know it will last longer ill change it anyway after few years.The price is really high but i got no other options...as stated
in few threads before :(
 

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I see you haven't been on this forum long, psyside. You'd know how much of a big deal input lag is around these parts.
 

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Well i read about it to be honest but this monitor has average input lag as far as i know
and personally i'm not really sensitive to it.What sold me on this monitor is picture quallity
as main reason and the hardware calibration in the monitor it self.We both know that
this is one of the best LCD money can buy if not the best.The input lag is more important
for professional fps gamers e.g (Counter Strike) if you prefer other games is ok imho.

Don't know if you are one of them or you are more sensitive to input lag, but i think this monitor is decent compared with other quallity monitors.
 

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Wait, Isn't an RRP of $1430 quite a chunk less than the RRP of the original wuxi? With a currency conversion, the wuxi2 is about AUD$150 cheaper.

BURAITONESUFIDOBAKKUSHISUTEMU = Brightness Feedback System

HADOUEAKYARIBURESHONSOFUTOUEA = Hardware Calibration Software

These are all features of the original. Did the wuxi have a 'MEDICAL' image mode? I can see that this is an sRGB monitor as I expected, for NEC is smart enough to know about colourspace issues and positions the lcd24 to complement the lcd26. I'm thinking that NEC gets its own run in the LG panel fab for models like this instead of being at the mercy of what LG has on offer to manufacturers.

Not sure about the A-TW pol. Who does NEC get them from?
 
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Someone posted the pdf in another thread. It is non-wide gamut!! I am buying this for my new build. Wonder when it will be available in the states?

Would like to know the panel model and back light type as well. Will there be a new model for the calibration unit too?
 

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As was the story with 2690^2 I don't expect any mayor changes.
The same coating, CCFL, electronics (=no change to input-lag).
I think it will have overal lower brightness, which means better black.
But let's hope is stays sRGB and retaint the A-TW polarizer.

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The A-TW polarizer is a part of the screen manufactured by LG Display.
 
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The 2490 used the LG LM240WU2. Cant wait to hear what panel NEC is using now. I wouldnt think they would stick with the older LM240WU2.
 

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well, the 1000:1 contrast ratio is also present in the specs for the LG W2420P, so if it is a new part it'll be something like LM240WU7 or something.

WU2 is the 2490
WU3 is a TN part
WU4 is a 92% ntsc part
WU5 is a 135% ntsc W2420R/Dreamcolor part
WU6 is a LED part used in a Cinema Display, Don't know much about it.
 

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Did they bump the CR spec for the hell of it? My 2490 doesn't even reach 700:1 much less the original spec of 800:1
 

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At what brightness do you measure it?
It doesn't matter. Changing the brightness just turns the CCFL up and down (except lowbright modes) and doesn't affect the LCD matrix in any way - how could the contrast ratio change?

There are several features of the monitor which will reduce the contrast ratio. Colorcomp is a big one, lowbright mode, running calibrated etc... My 2490 will get 850:1 if I shut off all of those toys. Of course the white is a little blotchy and rose-coloured instead of pure and it isn't calibrated. I'm in the 700s with colorcomp and calibration. 700 w/ colorcomp is way better than 850 without IMO and well worth the trade off.
 

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Some of them are different. Mine Also seems to top out at about 700 with colorcomp off/low bright off (though calibrated). Might get a bit above 700 if uncalibrated..

But yeah backlight level is irrelevant. CR could also be considered the panel blocking ratio. The ratio of blocking is constant.

Technology can move ahead a bit, though so a bump to 1000 CR in this time frame isn't entirely unexpected, though I expect it will be down in the 800 range when it acutally measured in a calibrated monitor.
 

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Can someone explain to me please why this monitor is $1400? It's a 24" 1920x1200 60 hz panel with average input lag.

What is it that makes it $1400?
 

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It doesn't matter. Changing the brightness just turns the CCFL up and down (except lowbright modes) and doesn't affect the LCD matrix in any way - how could the contrast ratio change?

There are several features of the monitor which will reduce the contrast ratio. Colorcomp is a big one, lowbright mode, running calibrated etc... My 2490 will get 850:1 if I shut off all of those toys. Of course the white is a little blotchy and rose-coloured instead of pure and it isn't calibrated. I'm in the 700s with colorcomp and calibration. 700 w/ colorcomp is way better than 850 without IMO and well worth the trade off.
Every monitor has some variations in contrast stability. Especially if you calibrate to <120cd/m2 and/or put contrast <50. Which is my case bacause I work woth brightness ~60-80 cd/m2.
 

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Nothing yet in NEC SpectraView II FAQ web site about 2490WUXi2 having or not having A-TW.
See for yourself: http://www.necdisplay.com/supportce.../faq/#Configurations_and_Purchasing_Questions
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QUESTION: What type of LCD panel is used in the display monitor?

ANSWER:

LCD1990SX - 19.0 inch, PVA.

LCD1990SXi - 19.0 inch, S-IPS.

LCD2090UXi - 20.1 inch, IPS A-TW.

LCD2190UXi - 21.3 inch, SA-SFT.

LCD2490WUXi - 24.1 inch widescreen, H-IPS A-TW,

LCD2690WUXi - 25.5 inch widescreen, wide color gamut, H-IPS A-TW.

LCD2690WUXi2 - 25.5 inch widescreen, wide color gamut, H-IPS.

LCD3090WQXi - 29.8 inch widescreen, wide color gamut, H-IPS.

P221W - 22.0 inch widescreen, wide color gamut, S-PVA.

QUESTION: What is an A-TW (Advanced True White) polarizer and what are the benefits and drawbacks?

ANSWER: The A-TW filter is an additional film that is applied to some LCD panels with the aim of improving off-axis viewing of the display by reducing the "glow" effect that can be seen when viewing very dark images at extreme angles on S-IPS LCD panels. While it does reduce the glow effect, it can also introduce a slight coloration artifact that causes the glow to appear green when viewed from one angle, and magenta from another.

QUESTION: Which models use an A-TW (Advanced True White) polarizer?

ANSWER: The LCD2090UXi, LCD2490WUXi, and LCD2690WUXi use an A-TW polarizer. The LCD2690WUXi2, LCD3090WQXi and other models do not.
 

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QUESTION: What is an A-TW (Advanced True White) polarizer and what are the benefits and drawbacks?

ANSWER: The A-TW filter is an additional film that is applied to some LCD panels with the aim of improving off-axis viewing of the display by reducing the "glow" effect that can be seen when viewing very dark images at extreme angles on S-IPS LCD panels. While it does reduce the glow effect, it can also introduce a slight coloration artifact that causes the glow to appear green when viewed from one angle, and magenta from another.

QUESTION: Which models use an A-TW (Advanced True White) polarizer?

ANSWER: The LCD2090UXi, LCD2490WUXi, and LCD2690WUXi use an A-TW polarizer. The LCD2690WUXi2, LCD3090WQXi and other models do not.
Thanks! So these are the "holy three" :) Get one when you still can :)

BOTTOM ANSWER: The A-TW filter makes displays more expensive and most people can't really appreciate it, co we save some money by making 2690^2 without this cool feature...
 

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BOTTOM ANSWER: The A-TW filter makes displays more expensive and most people can't really appreciate it
I don't think this is a reasonable assessment. I don't see how cost is a factor in the decision to discontinue the A-TW polarizer.
 

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I don't think this is a reasonable assessment. I don't see how cost is a factor in the decision to discontinue the A-TW polarizer.
You know, companies exist to make profit (in theory, in the RL management interests can differ from the interests of the owners and better not to mention state companies...). Profit = revenues - costs. If you cam lower costs, your profit raises. And 2690^2 is also a slightly cheaper, thus the additional profite is generated both by lowering costs and by rising the *total* revenue.
 

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You know, companies exist to make profit (in theory, in the RL management interests can differ from the interests of the owners and better not to mention state companies...). Profit = revenues - costs. If you cam lower costs, your profit raises. And 2690^2 is also a slightly cheaper, thus the additional profite is generated both by lowering costs and by rising the *total* revenue.
I think the A-TW stack is a point of contention for a lot of NEC customers, not just members of this forum. This polarizer is addressed in three different entries in the spectraview II FAQ.

I don't know why the A-TW polarizer was discontinued with the lm260wu2. I know polarizers total around 10% of the cost of a panel, and that A-TW probably uses an additional film (a negative A-Plate), but I don't know what additional cost this entails nor whether existing machinery is capable of retooling to produce this technology.

A-TW should be in NEC's interest for their 24" models. The details of this June 1000:1 lm240 part should clarify whether A-TW was discontinued across all LG panel sizes, or just 26"+.
 

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I think the A-TW stack is a point of contention for a lot of NEC customers, not just members of this forum. This polarizer is addressed in three different entries in the spectraview II FAQ.

I don't know why the A-TW polarizer was discontinued with the lm260wu2. I know polarizers total around 10% of the cost of a panel, and that A-TW probably uses an additional film (a negative A-Plate), but I don't know what additional cost this entails nor whether existing machinery is capable of retooling to produce this technology.

A-TW should be in NEC's interest for their 24" models. The details of this June 1000:1 lm240 part should clarify whether A-TW was discontinued across all LG panel sizes, or just 26"+.
1. It may be a decision of LG Display, not NEC.
2. NEC marketing is known to be sometimes "a little" dumb. For example they only recently alllowed the great 2490 to be sold in Europe. And that's only one example of troubles they cause non-US citizens, another would be only 3 year warranty instead od 4.
3. I still insist that the most people just don't know how good A-TW filter actually is :) Let's make a pool in a graphicians' forum ;)
 

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1. It may be a decision of LG Display, not NEC.
We know this.
2. NEC marketing is known to be sometimes "a little" dumb. For example they only recently alllowed the great 2490 to be sold in Europe. And that's only one example of troubles they cause non-US citizens, another would be only 3 year warranty instead od 4.
Never mind securing customers and getting electrically compatible versions in volume and distributed.
3. I still insist that the most people just don't know how good A-TW filter actually is :) Let's make a pool in a graphicians' forum ;)
http://www.necdisplay.com/supportcenter/monitors/spectraview2/faq/

non-US citizens
 
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Was chatting with NEC tech support today, and asked the person if the LCD2490WUXi2 has the A-TW polarizer or not:
Rudolph Malmgren: Anything else I can do for you?
Customer: no, that's it
Customer: actually, do you know if the new LCD2490WUXi2 has the A-TW polarizer?
Rudolph Malmgren: I believe it does.
Customer: OK, thanks
Rudolph Malmgren: You are welcome
 
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I see there are a lot of rumors about the new LCD2490WUXi2. Here are the official specs and changes:

1. Max brightness decreases slightly to 320 cd/m^2. This is better suited for most imaging work, and will give a slightly better contrast ratio when working at very low luminance levels.

2. Color gamut remains sRGB, but is slightly better aligned with the sRGB primaries. The sRGB coverage is 96.7% (vs 93.5% on the LCD2490WUXi) in CIE xy.

3. The panel is the latest "eH-IPS A" type. This panel does not have the A-TW polarizer used on the LCD2490WUXi. The reasons for no longer using the A-TW are the same as for the LCD2690WUXi2.

4. Contrast ratio increases to 1000:1. Note that the A-TW polarizer actually decreases the contrast ratio when looking directly at the display, so this high a contrast ratio would not be possible with the A-TW.

5. The screen is not "glossy".

6. A "-SV" bundled SpectraView II version will be available in the US. The software has already been updated to support this model. It will still be possible to make your own bundle by purchasing the software or calibration kit.

7. The warranty remains 4 year in the US.

8. All other features remain the same as the LCD2490WUXi.

The LCD2490WUXi2 will start to show up in stores over the next couple of months in the US. There are still plenty of LCD2490WUXi units available. I do not know about NEC Europe.

I hope that helps to answer everyone's questions.
 

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Ok, that is definitive.

Any chance the the new eH-IPS has less "white glow" than previous panels without A-TW polarizer?
 
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