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OverRated

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Hey Guys so after doing a pre-build in my M1 using a H60 i decided to go full out and go water full build list below I'm still waiting on a few parts before i can start.

Before going head with my build i tested my current systems power draw which ended up being around 398w on full load on both CPU and GPU so they gives me a overhead of 50w.
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BUILD COMPLETED ON 07/03/2014 (D/M/Y)

Upgraded
Intel Core i7 4770K > Intel Core i7 4790K
Silverstone ST45SF-G 450W > Silverstone SST-SX600-G 600W

Updates components below to final parts used on this build.

Core Components
Intel Core i7 4790K
ASUS Maximus VI Impact
Kingston HyperX Beast 2400mhz 16GB
EVGA GeForce GTX 780 TI SuperClocked w/EVGA ACX Cooler

Drives
2x Samsung 840 pro 256 SSD in RAID 0 (Windows)
Western Digital WD Black 1TB (Storage/Games)
Crucial M500 480GB M.2 NGFF SATA SSD (Games)

Power Supply
1x Silverstone SST-SX600-G 600w Gold SFX Power Supply
1x Silverstone SST-PP05-E Flat Flexible Short Cable Set (MODDED)

Water
1x EK Coolstream PE 240mm Radiator
1x EK-FB ASUS M6I - Acetal+Nickel
1x EK-DDC 3.2 PWM (12V PWM pump)
1x EK Full Cover VGA Block EK-FC780 GTX Ti Acetal Nickel
1x EK Full Cover VGA EK-FC GTX 780 Ti Backplate Black
1x M1 NCase Reservoir
1x Icecrown Fluorescent 3/8" ID 1/2" OD Tube, Red 1.5m
4x Alphacool 13/10 Compression Fitting 90 Degree Black
4x Barrow G1/4", 3/8" ID 1/2" OD Thin Tube Compression Fitting
2x Barrow G1/4" 90° Female to Male Fitting Adapter Elbow
1x EK Ekoolant Clear Premix 1000mL Coolant

Fans
M1 Demciflex Case Filter Set
2x Silverstone FF123 120mm Fan Filter Black
2x Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition PWM
1x AFB0612VHC 60mm x 13mm 4Pin PWM

Tools
1x MDPC Crimping-Tool - 6th Anniversary
2x 50 Crimp contacts FEMALE for ATX, PCIE, EPS
1x Pin-Remover by MOLEX - The Original

Mods
Silverstone SST-PP05-E Flat Flexible Short Cable Set (Resized to about half the normal length, Custom 6 pin cable made to support all drivers and pumps molex power connector.
EK-DDC 3.2 PWM (Both cables cut to 1inch in size then re-solidered back to the pump, Then sleeved PWN fan extension cable used for the right length)
M1 PSU extension cable shortened then run around the edge of case.
Custom SSD brackets made to stack two SSD's behind the front panel.


BUILD
http://imgur.com/a/1eba4#0
 
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That water block for the GPU will not fit inside the M1.

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jusutus said:
That water block for the GPU will not fit inside the M1. Please see the photo of the block for the reference 780 Ti:
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Fits just fine already tested it in the case.

Space from the expansion slot to the side of the case is 34mm the PCB sticks out over the expansion slot 5mm leaving 29mm of space from the PCB to the side of the case. The waterblock sticks out 25mm from the cards PCB so that leaves 4mm of space.
 
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Haha oh boy am I glad that you say that EK gpu wb fit bcuz I was thinking of going that route. Thanks for confirmation! I would love to see photos of your build log too!

btw, I see you are using the asus impact and a M2.NGFF ssd. How's the performance?
 
OverRated said:
Fits just fine already tested it in the case.

Space from the expansion slot to the side of the case is 34mm the PCB sticks out over the expansion slot 5mm leaving 29mm of space from the PCB to the side of the case. The waterblock sticks out 25mm from the cards PCB so that leaves 4mm of space.
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Thanks for the info. How wide is the waterblock on the widest part? EK customer service said 145mm and that does not fit the M1.
 
darckhart said:
Haha oh boy am I glad that you say that EK gpu wb fit bcuz I was thinking of going that route. Thanks for confirmation! I would love to see photos of your build log too!

btw, I see you are using the asus impact and a M2.NGFF ssd. How's the performance?
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Sure thing once i get all my parts together photos will follow :), The M2.NGFF ssd performance is on par with a sata 6gb SSD here are some benchmarks the things is so small for what it offers.




jusutus said:
Thanks for the info. How wide is the waterblock on the widest part? EK customer service said 145mm and that does not fit the M1.
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Its 125mm wide 145mm sounds more like the classified block.
 
Just changed the fan on my Silverstone SFX 450W to a Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPRO, I cut the end off the old fan and made a 2pin to 3pin adapter out of it.





 
OverRated said:
Just changed the fan on my Silverstone SFX 450W to a Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPRO, I cut the end off the old fan and made a 2pin to 3pin adapter out of it.





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I noticed you had the v2.0 of this PSU. If I understand what I've been reading correctly this version corrects the problems with noise, etc, that were found in v1.0 and 1.1 I believe? Is this not what you found to be the case, or did you just do the mod for personal reasons?
 
TurbineTech said:
I noticed you had the v2.0 of this PSU. If I understand what I've been reading correctly this version corrects the problems with noise, etc, that were found in v1.0 and 1.1 I believe? Is this not what you found to be the case, or did you just do the mod for personal reasons?
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V2.0 changes the RPM curve of the fan so it is quieter at low loads but there is still room for improvement, hence the fan swaps.
 
Aibohphobia said:
V2.0 changes the RPM curve of the fan so it is quieter at low loads but there is still room for improvement, hence the fan swaps.
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As stated by many even after the fan swap it is the loudest component in the case at idle. My noiseblocker also makes a faint ticking sound (only hear at idle in a silent room or with my ear next to the PSU)
 
OverRated said:
The M2.NGFF ssd performance is on par with a sata 6gb SSD here are some benchmarks the things is so small for what it offers.
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hm that looks nice. now a follow up question: is it bootable? i'm flip flopping between the maximus impact and the asrock z87e-itx.
 
darckhart said:
hm that looks nice. now a follow up question: is it bootable? i'm flip flopping between the maximus impact and the asrock z87e-itx.
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I'm using the same M.2 SSD but not using/haven't tried it as a bootable disk.

One would assume it is since it is integrated into the motherboard, however I do understand that many M.2 PCIe adapters are not bootable.
 
darckhart said:
hm that looks nice. now a follow up question: is it bootable? i'm flip flopping between the maximus impact and the asrock z87e-itx.
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Yes it is bootable shows up in the RAID menu to bad they don't have two slots i would RAID two two together :D.
 
Shockwave818 said:
are you using the bios or AI suite to control fans on the maximus?
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I'm using AI Suite to control the CPU fan. I have no case fans.

Supposedly there is a hack to drop the minimum fan speed below what AI Suite will allow in software (change a text file).

However, with my 140mm CPU fan, the silent profile is dead silent. The Nocuta C12P is so effective at cooling my cpu that while running Linpack it doesn't even spin at full speed.
 
Smitty2k1 said:
I'm using AI Suite to control the CPU fan. I have no case fans.
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Do you find that AI Suite's CPU temperature goes up and down relatively with something like CoreTemp or RealTemp?

I had an Asus ITX Deluxe Z87 that would get stuck at ~ 40 degrees in AI suite, and sit there until the temperature was like 80, then all of a sudden jump up. So I would essentially only have 2 fan speeds - Whatever I set it to, and ultra fast.

Just wanted to double check to see if the Maximus suffered from this as well.
 
Shockwave818 said:
Do you find that AI Suite's CPU temperature goes up and down relatively with something like CoreTemp or RealTemp?

I had an Asus ITX Deluxe Z87 that would get stuck at ~ 40 degrees in AI suite, and sit there until the temperature was like 80, then all of a sudden jump up. So I would essentially only have 2 fan speeds - Whatever I set it to, and ultra fast.

Just wanted to double check to see if the Maximus suffered from this as well.
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I used AI Suite II as well and it wont be the same temp reading as in Core Temp as its the CPU temp not each core so it will be lower, And yer it does get stuck when stressing because the programs priorities are set to low if you change it in task manager it will fix the problem Core Temp also gets this problem when stressing, Its because the stress test is taking the need processing power away from low priority programs that are running.
 
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Its prepping time should get my Res next week so ill be installing every think ready pictures will follow.

EK Full Cover VGA Block EK-FC780 GTX Ti With Backplate Black and Alphacool 13/10 90 Degree Compression Fittings.

You can see how close the fittings sit when the backplate is installed.





 
He said it draws 398W, my guess that's measured at the socket. The PSU in his signature has a typical efficiency of 90% which means the system requests 358W from the PSU, that's 92W spare.

I'd say 450W is perfectly sufficient.
 
Nope that measured off the wall so yes 450w is fine for this build also i have completed the build and its running just fine no problems yet.


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Thermals are very good my GPU never goes over 55c when gaming and core temps normally sit around 60c can go up to 65c after long hours of gaming i will post a screenshot of my thermals later on after some BF4 gaming.

Just to let you guys know the 450w PSU cant handle any overclocks i was running a 4.4ghz OC last night when playing BF4 and i got reset and a messages saying "Asus anti-surge was triggered to protect system from unstable power supply" So my OC was redlining the power supply so if you want to overclock if using a high end GPUs i would wait for the 550w to come out.
 
OverRated said:
Just to let you guys know the 450w PSU cant handle any overclocks i was running a 4.4ghz OC last night when playing BF4 and i got reset and a messages saying "Asus anti-surge was triggered to protect system from unstable power supply" So my OC was redlining the power supply so if you want to overclock if using a high end GPUs i would wait for the 550w to come out.
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Asus anti-surge is not "redlining". I've had that message on one of my rigs running under 300W. It happens when there is a sudden large change in the current drawn by CPU or GPU, then you get a momentary dip in voltage and that triggers the Asus anti-surge logic. It happens with all switching power supplies.

For me it happens predictably when the CPU and GPU are heavily loaded, and then the CPU goes to idle and back to load very quickly. For example between work-units when running folding@home.

I switched it off in the BIOS on that 300W machine 13 months ago and haven't had a crash since.

You can better get a kill-a-watt meter to verify actual power draw.
 
Yer i have a watt meter that going into the wall max load was 400w but asus has told me you should never run a power supply near its limit as heat can reduce its out put, Also i think it could be the rain as its only 37amp when i need 42amp .




Has i said i would post my thermals after a day of gaming in 3 different games played rust for 4 hours.

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you made my day..

just saw your signature while reading through the M1 thread.. followed your threads and I have to say, THANK YOU for your log!

:D I was thinking about changing my gaming equipment from my Phenom to the M1 but was not sure if it would work out.

Now I have to order that special reservoir for the M1 ;-) :cool:

where did you manage to store your pump and disk drives ?! under the psu I guess.

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could you please take a picture of your case from behind, showing the reservoir and your fittings/tubes going through the case ?!
and where did you use which of your different adapters/fittings?
thanks in advance!

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alright, now I found that one can use two of many in/outlets of the M1 reservoir from frozenQ that go directly into the case.
will use some EK-CSQ fittings to do that once it's produced, shipped and received.. :D
 
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Hi
Here is a link to my build with some photos My M1 My HDD and pump are both under my GPU both are mounted with screws, My two SSD's are mounted on the front of the case on the outside.

EDIT: ill add some images of how i mounted my 2 SSD's
 
OverRated said:
Hi
Here is a link to my build with some photos My M1 My HDD and pump are both under my GPU both are mounted with screws, My two SSD's are mounted on the front of the case on the outside.

EDIT: ill add some images of how i mounted my 2 SSD's
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thanks for your support - I'm sure that'll help alot ;)
 
OverRated said:
Thanks, I cut them pretty much in half then redid the end that plugs into the PSU the tools i used are on my 1st post.



Yer man been waiting for it for a while ;)
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Thanks. I was thinking about it and i'll probably go that route instead of soldering. It's about $100 if I go MDPC but I trust them with there stuff.
 
Small update to my build i have added a small 60mm fan for air flow really helps just push the hot air out cooling the HDD and GPU down.


Order a 4pin PWM fan so i can slow it down on idle.

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Hey I'm currently working on a build quite similar to your own. I was wondering what fittings you're using on the radiator because I measured on my case and I only have enough room from the same power supply and radiator that you have around 15mm not including the thread for a 90 degree adapter / fitting. The part where you said what fittings and adapter you used in the build components doesn't address where they are used. Thanks so much I'm looking for a way to do this :)
 
Are you still using the Silverstone fan+grill filter? If so, what do you think? If not, how come?

Looks like an intriguing product that might be able to make up for poor static pressure
 
Just since this thread is hot I wanna say I really like this build and would build one (almost) just like it in my rev 2 if I had the money, are you thinking of upgrading your motherboard as well as the power supply?
The only thing that frustrates me is the external reservoir I wish an internal one was possible because now I would be going with a T line (if I won the lottery) :p
 
prolemur said:
Hey I'm currently working on a build quite similar to your own. I was wondering what fittings you're using on the radiator because I measured on my case and I only have enough room from the same power supply and radiator that you have around 15mm not including the thread for a 90 degree adapter / fitting. The part where you said what fittings and adapter you used in the build components doesn't address where they are used. Thanks so much I'm looking for a way to do this :)
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Hi i used the two 2x Barrow G1/4" 90° Female to Male Fitting Adapter Elbow you also need to remove the spacers on the Coolstream PE RAD and replace them with smaller ones i used the ones that come with my waterblock, Also these fittings are fixed if you use ones that can rotate you wont have the room.

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tetrismaster said:
Are you still using the Silverstone fan+grill filter? If so, what do you think? If not, how come?

Looks like an intriguing product that might be able to make up for poor static pressure
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No i changed to the Silverstone FF123 120mm Fan Filters as the others where to thick i also have a M1 Demciflex Case Filter Set but have not used them yet :) .


Peter_364 said:
Just since this thread is hot I wanna say I really like this build and would build one (almost) just like it in my rev 2 if I had the money, are you thinking of upgrading your motherboard as well as the power supply?
The only thing that frustrates me is the external reservoir I wish an internal one was possible because now I would be going with a T line (if I won the lottery) :p
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I don't see the reason to upgrade my Motherboard as the Impact VII really isn't much of a step up apart from the updated M.2 slot and i don't see the money in it just for that, Also my M.2 I'm using is only SATA so ill get no speed increase going to M.2 PCI-e, And i can use the refresh chips in my current board when broadwell comes out any bets a new board will also be released not long after which will probably be worth it as it mite be DDR4. I don't really notice the M1 Res on the back you shouldn't worry about it :) .



I have update my build list on the 1st page to my current parts i also replace my 50mm fan with a AFB0612VHC 60mm x 13mm 4Pin PWM so now it just increases it speed when I'm in games.
 
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