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Law enforcement officials from seven states have sent a letter to MySpace asking the company to turn over the names of registered sex offenders who use the site.
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MySpace Asked For Sex Offender Data
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FlatLine84
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I don't see why they shouldn't hand over the info.... I mean, it's basically a singles site for sex offenders. On the same token though, people should take precautions when joining myspace, such as, you know, not putting your address or something on your page....
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Since you can use fake names, etc just HOW THE FK is mysapce or any such public semi-anonomous internet operation supposed to know WHO any of the users actually are... let alone what they may have been convicted of somewhere?
Here's an idea.... hey oinker's... go do your friggin jobs... ya buncha lazy donut molesters.
Here's an idea.... hey oinker's... go do your friggin jobs... ya buncha lazy donut molesters.
My niece calls MySpace "The Pedophile Shopping Network."
But I do wonder how exactly they're supposed to know who is and who is not a sex offender. I'm not sure what the requirements are to sign up for an account, but if it's anything like free email then it's going to be a little difficult to track...
But I do wonder how exactly they're supposed to know who is and who is not a sex offender. I'm not sure what the requirements are to sign up for an account, but if it's anything like free email then it's going to be a little difficult to track...
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I'm wondering how they could possibly even do this as well. Found another article that states:
Say your name is Bob Smith and you live in New York and you happen to have the same date of birth as some other Robert Smith who is a registered sex offender in the state of New York. Is myspace going to report you as a suspected sex offender?
Let's face it, anyone can register at myspace using any name and DOB they want. Unless and until myspace requires some form of identification verification, I don't see that it would be possible to name names like the AGs want.
Maybe they should add a field on the registration page that says "check this box if you are a registered sex offender." Yeah, right.
Now, the only way I can think of that they could build a db on US sex offenders is by using the sex offender registries of the various states.
Say your name is Bob Smith and you live in New York and you happen to have the same date of birth as some other Robert Smith who is a registered sex offender in the state of New York. Is myspace going to report you as a suspected sex offender?
Let's face it, anyone can register at myspace using any name and DOB they want. Unless and until myspace requires some form of identification verification, I don't see that it would be possible to name names like the AGs want.
Maybe they should add a field on the registration page that says "check this box if you are a registered sex offender." Yeah, right.
Is this information that MySpace even collects or has the ability to collect? First of all, I know sex offenders aren't the brightest in the world, but aren't they going to be smart enough to lie when they signup? We all know that faking identities on the Internet is quite easy, so what are they going to do if MySpace doesn't have the ability to produce this information?
Seems like a symbolic, "Look, we're getting tough on sex offenders, so reelect us!" ploy to me.
Seems like a symbolic, "Look, we're getting tough on sex offenders, so reelect us!" ploy to me.
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I don't see how this is the police not doing their job.... If the person is convicted sex offenders, then the police have done their job. Just because the person is on myspace doesn't mean the police failed at doing something... If you want to keep them off myspace, that's a legislative issue, which as we all know, politicians do a wonderful job.
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Sex offenders should give their information up. Its their fault they molested someone.
This is what's so fucked up about the entire system.. Sex offender != molester.. The sex offender list is so broad that the entire system is hopelessly broken and impossible to enforce-- just the way the US likes thier battles. Mired in the muck so they can endlessly bitch about it and use it for political fodder. Whee!
They shouldn't be doing this, they should be scrapping the current sex offender system and redesigning it to only include heinous offenders, so it's actually humanly possible to monitor them. Right now we are just causing a bunch of problems, because once somebody is on the sex offender list, does thier time and comes out, they aren't allowed to interact with humans pretty much whatsoever and even the majority who only had single situational offenses are looked at like they are all child rapists... Then we act all surprised when one goes berserk.
We shouldn't be defending a broken system whatsoever.. We need to push to fix it.
Sorry for sounding so pessimistic, but all I seem to hear on the news anymore is "sex offender, sex offenders, sex offenders and later, showing something on sex offenders!"
In fact while I was typing this, I heard the phrase "sex offender" 23 times on the local news! I shit you not!
Tired of the incessant political and media sensationalism. Fucking politicians and media, doing nothing but making the problems worse for thier own gain causing a panic while offering no real solutions.
This is just a media grab
There is now way to tell who is really who.
It seems like you would have to get everyones name, go to isps to release the address of the subscribers, THEN check every offender database against both lists.
#2 will NEVER happen, most isps balk at WARRENTS let alone the RIAA, and now a much smaller company wants full accesss?
The people who put this together should be fired and those with law degrees stripped.
A for the general list, it seems here in CA they are not putting the "accidental" exposure on the list, as for the 17y/16y I have not stumbled on it yet. Where Iive I check the list mothly to see whose moved in, as well as to keep track of someone
There is now way to tell who is really who.
It seems like you would have to get everyones name, go to isps to release the address of the subscribers, THEN check every offender database against both lists.
#2 will NEVER happen, most isps balk at WARRENTS let alone the RIAA, and now a much smaller company wants full accesss?
The people who put this together should be fired and those with law degrees stripped.
A for the general list, it seems here in CA they are not putting the "accidental" exposure on the list, as for the 17y/16y I have not stumbled on it yet. Where Iive I check the list mothly to see whose moved in, as well as to keep track of someone
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If a sex offender is bad enough to be a continuing threat once released then the sentence needs to be LIFE without parole. That would settle it nice and permanent.
You could do LIFE w/o parole BUT the offender could get parole if he/she agreed to have a sex offender badge BOLTED to the front of thier SKULL for life.
Or maybe, if that technique in Clockwork Orange actually worked....
You could do LIFE w/o parole BUT the offender could get parole if he/she agreed to have a sex offender badge BOLTED to the front of thier SKULL for life.
Or maybe, if that technique in Clockwork Orange actually worked....
Still can't figure out why most of these people aren't just killed when found guilty.
Child predator found guilty... march them outside, dig hole with back hoe, double tap to head, push body into hole, sprinkle with lime and fill hole. Or just string them up from the closest tree, short drop with a fast stop.
Child predator found guilty... march them outside, dig hole with back hoe, double tap to head, push body into hole, sprinkle with lime and fill hole. Or just string them up from the closest tree, short drop with a fast stop.
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Still can't figure out why most of these people aren't just killed when found guilty.
Child predator found guilty... march them outside, dig hole with back hoe, double tap to head, push body into hole, sprinkle with lime and fill hole. Or just string them up from the closest tree, short drop with a fast stop.
By far one of the most retarded/terrible things I've heard.
One of the best ideas I've heard in a long time. I don't feel for people who prey upon young ones... and I don't know why you have compassion for them either.
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That's part of the problem.. The term 'sex offender' has been abused so much by media and politicians to be synonymous with infant rapists, yet the laws are so broad very few of them have anything to do with crimes against children.
And the government does this to inflate the numbers and scare the shit out of people so when they say "hey, we need to take these rights away from you to protect your kids!" and people go "oh ok, we have to do something against this huge growing pedophile menace!!"
Give them an inch, they will try to take everything. I think it's time to say WHOA, lets back up a bit and look at reality! And that's the real issue here.. all this stuff is based on half-truths and manufactured statistics.
And about the compassion, lets face it-- If a kid turns around and points at you and says, "that person fondled me!" you are completely fucked, regardless if it is true or not. And that is a sign that something is seriously wrong here. Wouldn't you want some compassion if you were potentially put in that situation?
You know, I can kind of see that thought but all of that is is just a knee jerk reaction.
IF all you were talking about were Child Molesters (at least a 5y difference) then I go with lock them up for good,
On thing that is sorely needed is common sense instead of racking up the conviction rate for their run for office(17y-16y, 15y who posted OWN photo etc)
And if you think I have compassion for "true" child molesters, just say my life is not better for them
I agree with you guys in a stance and I'm sure the original poster of the sub topic here would agree. The thing is, we (or at least I am speaking for myself) are thinking about criminals who were proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt and found guilty in connection with a child (i'm not talking 17 year old here or teen on myspace or whatever).
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as has been pointed out, sex offender does not mean pedophile.
pee wee herman is a sex offender. Pee wee herman (as far as I know) is not a pedophile.
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Agreed, the term sex offender encompasses too large a group however people think sex offender is synonymous with pedophilia. Trust me, kids do say alot of bullshit, and I can easily see many people being wrongly accused by some snotty little brat that is arguably just as bad as any "sex offender".
I dont have compassion for them, fair is fair. Pedo's are not normal people. They are fucked up in the head, it is not normal to want to have sexual relations with a child. Something is wrong with them on the psychological level, and I know how fucked up it is to molest a child, but these people are still people.
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See, the thing is age isn't really a good indicator as to whether or not someone is a child molester. For example, girls mature at a younger age than boys physically, and not all people mature sexually at the same rate. So it is very possible that a girl at 13 is at the same sexual maturity as a boy at 17.
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Right. No one deserves to die and no one here has the right to take a life or say they should be taken. They need help, not a bullet to the head.
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Sorry, defending child molesters and sex offenders isn't cool. There really shouldn't even be any debate in this thread about the morality of the situation. It is a legal situation.
Also, the repeat sex offender numbers are staggering. There is no rehabilitating these people unless you completely reprogram their brain. A mental institution for life, or a 99 cent bullet to the head is the only viable alternative. I'd rather take the 99 cent bullet to the head since it makes my taxes cheaper.
Also, the repeat sex offender numbers are staggering. There is no rehabilitating these people unless you completely reprogram their brain. A mental institution for life, or a 99 cent bullet to the head is the only viable alternative. I'd rather take the 99 cent bullet to the head since it makes my taxes cheaper.
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They still need help more than hate. It's not really a choice.. And it's the ones that can't come to terms with it and don't seek help out of fear of persecution that will wind up being the most danger.. And I am talking only about the ones who are sexually attracted to children here, not the violent psychopathic rapists. There is a vast difference, psychopaths don't have an attraction and do it purely for personal gratification of power. Seperating the two would really help everybody in the long run, whether its in society or websites or whatever.. It's those violent psychopaths we don't want falling through the cracks.. Yet they do because out generalistic view muddles the field so much we can't see.
I have studied this for almost a decade now.. If we don't change the way we deal with this, we are headed toward certain disaster that has a real potential to fragment our society, especially with the internet social revolution we are going through. The paranoia will tear it apart.
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Erm, do you know what jail is like? I highly doubt "jail" is considered helpful at all to their rehabilitation. Obviously the percent of repeat sex offenders is going to be staggering.
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Okay so, since these people are obviously mentally ill you are stating that it is not worth your tax dollars to help rehabilitate them. I can say the same about other people that need government assistance as well. People that need welfare? Bullet. People that need special education in school? Bullet. Hey, it will save you tax dollars right? Like I said, fair is fair and you can't be prejudiced.
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And yet the raw numbers support the fact that sex offenders have a lower recidivism rate than virtually any other type of crime.. And the vast majority of those are the psychopathic rapists/molesters. Just about every study out there on the subject is bullshit, due to the fact they remove about 60% of the sex offenders that don't reoffend from the numbers using special criterion, instead of representing a real view of actual numbers, thereby skewing the results.
Now, if they were going on the basis of recidivism of sociopaths, that is very high.. Unfortunately they use the socio- and psychopaths and represent it as sex offenders on the whole, which is akin to a downright lie. They make the public think they are talking about ALL sex offenses. The high recidivism is among a very tiny slice of the overall. And those are the ones that should be on the lists and watched over closely so they don't fall through the cracks!!!
I don't believe I have to be called a "defender" here.
TRUE child molesters, should never be let out of jail.
THE PROBLEM is that registries are created by the DA, and if you show you are hard on "sex offenders" it is an easy re-election (look at duke lacrosse).
the term "sex offender" has been abused to hell. there are many cases that should never, have gone to trial let alone been put on the list.
Will you shoot the two 14y olds that put photos of them having sex(distributing child pornography), the 16y with a17y old, the guy peeing behind a dumpster?
The reason I say jail for the true ones is the fact that kids can be coerced into saying things by the parent, and then by the psychiatrist.
Take a look a the McMartin case, child sacrifice, sex with elephants and giraffes!!!
Up in either Oregon or Washington one officer ended up with half the frigging town on trial, because of one case (who knows if the first one was true now) I think was 34? actually but about half ended up pleading guilty because they had no money and the were offered really light or no just probation.
Know Like I said Life is what I want, mine got 6mth, with 3off for good behavior,
That sounds right for screwing me up for the rest of my life, right?
TRUE child molesters, should never be let out of jail.
THE PROBLEM is that registries are created by the DA, and if you show you are hard on "sex offenders" it is an easy re-election (look at duke lacrosse).
the term "sex offender" has been abused to hell. there are many cases that should never, have gone to trial let alone been put on the list.
Will you shoot the two 14y olds that put photos of them having sex(distributing child pornography), the 16y with a17y old, the guy peeing behind a dumpster?
The reason I say jail for the true ones is the fact that kids can be coerced into saying things by the parent, and then by the psychiatrist.
Take a look a the McMartin case, child sacrifice, sex with elephants and giraffes!!!
Up in either Oregon or Washington one officer ended up with half the frigging town on trial, because of one case (who knows if the first one was true now) I think was 34? actually but about half ended up pleading guilty because they had no money and the were offered really light or no just probation.
Know Like I said Life is what I want, mine got 6mth, with 3off for good behavior,
That sounds right for screwing me up for the rest of my life, right?
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That sucks.. I was in foster care most of my childhood and the one that did it to me was my foster brother.. Neither he or the child welfare system ever had to answer for it. Since he was only 2.5 years older than me, people just didn't seem to give a shit.
It seems that there is so much of a bruhaha over obvious consentual sex that happens, and a lot of the real rapes wind up getting tossed in a drawer somewhere or barely looked at. That's what I hate about the whole current sex offender situation.. Too much political bullshit and media money grabs for sensational stories, real victims just get crushed and forgotten.
It seems that there is so much of a bruhaha over obvious consentual sex that happens, and a lot of the real rapes wind up getting tossed in a drawer somewhere or barely looked at. That's what I hate about the whole current sex offender situation.. Too much political bullshit and media money grabs for sensational stories, real victims just get crushed and forgotten
Thats my whole point even though it was my father and then when I was sent to a private school to get away it was my "adviser" till I left followed by the doctor I went to get my Visa.
Thanks to 6straight years, I keep putting myself in bad situations(and more abuse), depression,ptsd and extreme anxiety (how I never drank myself or drugged myself to death I don't know, but i stayed away from that)
After all that, I still believe that laws should be fair and honest and the "bullet in the head" folks are just talking out their a**.
Thats my whole point even though it was my father and then when I was sent to a private school to get away it was my "adviser" till I left followed by the doctor I went to get my Visa.
Thanks to 6straight years, I keep putting myself in bad situations(and more abuse), depression,ptsd and extreme anxiety (how I never drank myself or drugged myself to death I don't know, but i stayed away from that)
After all that, I still believe that laws should be fair and honest and the "bullet in the head" folks are just talking out their a**.
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I hear ya there.. It's weird, even though I never got justice, the person that did it to me has pretty much spent half his adulthood in and out of prison.. most of the friends I had in the foster care system wound up with long criminal records or dead.. Depression and anxiety, and pretty much shut myself in from the rest of the world.. But I didn't wind up like any of them, not even a single misdemeanor! And the therapists told my mom I was heading towards and adulthood of a violent criminal.. I am glad I didn't believe that BS.
When the sex offender laws started out, I actually thought it was a good idea.. But something weird about keeping to myself alot, I decided to really study all I could about it. From what I see, the lies and skewed statistics, bullshit politicking and media frenzy-- the system is ruining itself, it's become a farce. As much as I want to see justice done, I don't believe the way to do it is to dismantle the very core of it. Then nobody is safe.
As for the "bullet in their head" folks.. I have actually tried dialoguing with them and they are just completely insane, even accusing me of being a pedophile because I didn't believe in thier "kill them all" attitudes..
The mob mentality is just so sad when the people allegedly trying to fight with violence and threats, and extreme views start attacking the victims.
Sorry to hear about the shit you went through.. Definitely stay away from the drugs and booze.. That's my motto. Best to confront it head-on instead of burying it. Just surviving is a big "fuck you" to those that prey on others, no matter what gender or age of the victim and perp. Giving up in not an option!!
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Just wanted to say you guys are amazing, I have serious issues and I haven't gone through a fraction of what you guys have, I couldn't imagine how I would be if something like that ever happened to me.
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for almost all recorded history you had marriages at 12, 14 years old.
God I need to move out of this country.
God I need to move out of this country.
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I am in the process of trying to write a book about what happened to me.. Probably nothing good enough to get published, but its definitely cathartic!
I just wish people would realise that hating isn't the answer. This is a serious issue that will take a lot of rational thought to bring under control. Political demagoguery and media posturing is severely damaging the future credibility of the justice system to function in relation to sex crimes. It used to be that rape was nearly impossible to get a conviction on because people didn't believe the stories of what happened.. But it's swinging way too far the other way, which will cause it to snap violently back at some point.
If people really want to help victims, spread the word, we need balance and tact! Politicians need to stop using the issue as a stepping stone for money and votes. Special interest is really starting to gut the system. They are using victims for thier own selfish desires. It's like being raped all over again when I see garbage like "To Catch a Predator" on TV or some media spot designed to scare the living piss out of people.
The topic of sexual predation seems to have become a new form of entertainment sport complete with big bucks for shitheels like Chris Hansen and NBC while past victims get to live with depression and PTSD, in therapy, drugged up, and living off of less than $8000 a year disability barely able to make ends meet. It just makes me want to vomit.
Heh, sorry for dumping so much on here.. It just seems the past few weeks I cant load a news webpage or turn on commercial television without some stupid sex predator story with a bunch of misinformation, or commercial for that Dateline crap being spewed forth.. I just had to ramble before I put my fist through the damn TV.
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for almost all recorded history you had marriages at 12, 14 years old.
God I need to move out of this country.
You like the middle schoolers eh?
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Damn right they should, too many bad things are happing from myspace and i am tired of everyone blaming every damn thing on it
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