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Woke up this morning to this:

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Ran sfc /scannow and chkdsk. Also ran MSE, SpyBot, and Security Essentials. SpyBot had a couple things, but nothing major.

This is the SSD I installed in 2012:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W2JKZI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Since then, I've been at like 90% capacity. I'm thinking its finally just kicked?

I'm just going to order a Samsung 250gb EVO to replace it with. I guess I can use PartitionWizard and copy the OS from the bad drive to the new one? I'm running Win7 OEM and I really don't want to have to buy Win10.

I have a general understanding of this stuff, but just want to make sure I'm going in the right direction. Thanks.
 
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rive22 said:
http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskInfo/index-e.html
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Here's the report on the C: drive:

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CrystalDiskInfo 7.0.5 (C) 2008-2016 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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OS : Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)
Date : 2017/05/24 19:19:48

-- Controller Map ----------------------------------------------------------
- ATA Channel 0 (0) [ATA]
- ATA Channel 1 (1) [ATA]
+ ATA Channel 0 (0) [ATA]
- M4-CT128M4SSD2 ATA Device
- ATAPI iHAS124 D ATA Device
+ ATA Channel 1 (1) [ATA]
- WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0 ATA Device
- WDC WD6400AAKS-22A7B0 ATA Device
+ Intel(R) 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family 4 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 1E00 [ATA]
- ATA Channel 0 (0)
- ATA Channel 1 (1)
+ Intel(R) 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family 2 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 1E08 [ATA]
- ATA Channel 0 (0)
- ATA Channel 1 (1)


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(3) M4-CT128M4SSD2
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Model : M4-CT128M4SSD2
Firmware : 070H
Serial Number : 000000001248091FA742
Disk Size : 128.0 GB (8.4/128.0/128.0/128.0)
Buffer Size : Unknown
Queue Depth : 32
# of Sectors : 250069680
Rotation Rate : ---- (SSD)
Interface : Serial ATA
Major Version : ACS-2
Minor Version : ATA8-ACS version 6
Transfer Mode : SATA/600 | SATA/600
Power On Hours : 37762 hours
Power On Count : 152 count
Wear Level Count : 2700
Temperature : Unknown
Health Status : Good (11 %)
Features : S.M.A.R.T., APM, 48bit LBA, NCQ, TRIM
APM Level : 00FEh [ON]
AAM Level : ----
Drive Letter : C:

-- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
ID Cur Wor Thr RawValues(6) Attribute Name
01 100 100 _50 000000000000 Raw Read Error Rate
05 100 100 _10 000000000000 Reallocated NAND Blocks
09 100 100 __1 000000009382 Power On Hours
0C 100 100 __1 000000000098 Power Cycle Count
AA 100 100 _10 000000000000 Reserved Block Count
AB 100 100 __1 000000000000 Program Fail Count
AC 100 100 __1 000000000000 Erase Fail Count
AD _10 _10 _10 000000000A8C Average Block-Erase Count
AE 100 100 __1 00000000004B Unexpected Power Loss Count
B5 100 100 __1 0B920863032F Unaligned Access Count
B7 100 100 __1 000000000000 SATA Interface Downshift
B8 100 100 _50 000000000000 Error Correction Count
BB 100 100 __1 000000000000 Reported Uncorrectable Errors
BC 100 100 __1 000000000000 Command Timeout Count
BD 100 100 __1 000000000051 Factory Bad Block Count
C2 100 100 __0 000000000000 Temperature
C3 100 100 __1 000000000000 Cumulative ECC Bit Correction Count
C4 100 100 __1 000000000000 Reallocation Event Count
C5 100 100 __1 000000000000 Current Pending Sector Count
C6 100 100 __1 000000000000 Smart Off-line Scan Uncorrectable Error Count
C7 100 100 __1 000000000000 Ultra DMA CRC Error Rate
CA _11 _11 __1 000000000059 Percent Lifetime Used
CE 100 100 __1 000000000000 Write Error Rate

-- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000: 0440 3FFF C837 0010 0000 0000 003F 0000 0000 0000
010: 3030 3030 3030 3030 3132 3438 3039 3146 4137 3432
020: 0000 0000 0000 3037 3048 2020 2020 4D34 2D43 5431
030: 3238 4D34 5353 4432 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020
040: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 8010 4000 2F00
050: 4001 0000 0000 0007 3FFF 0010 003F FC10 00FB 0110
060: C2B0 0EE7 0000 0007 0003 0078 0078 0078 0078 4000
070: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 001F 150E 0006 004C 0040
080: 03F8 0028 746B 7D09 6163 7469 BC09 6163 203F 0001
090: 0001 00FE FFFE 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
100: C2B0 0EE7 0000 0000 0000 0008 4000 0000 500A 0751
110: 091F A742 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 401E
120: 401C 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0029 3037
130: 3048 2E30 372E 3030 0000 0000 0000 3130 3534 2020
140: 2020 3341 4C37 3130 3439 2020 2020 0000 0000 0000
150: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001
160: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0003 0001
170: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
180: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
190: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
200: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 003D 0000 0000 4000
210: 0000 0000 0000 0001 0000 0000 0000 0001 0000 0000
220: 0000 0000 103F 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
230: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 00FF 0000 0000 0000 0000
240: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
250: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 4AA5

-- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 10 00 01 2F 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 33
010: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 32 00 64 64 82
020: 93 00 00 00 00 00 0C 32 00 64 64 98 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 AA 33 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 AB 32
040: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 AC 32 00 64 64 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 33 00 0A 0A 8C 0A 00 00 00
060: 00 00 AE 32 00 64 64 4B 00 00 00 00 00 00 B5 22
070: 00 64 64 2F 03 63 08 92 0B 00 B7 32 00 64 64 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 B8 33 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 BB 32 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BC 32
0A0: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BD 0E 00 64 64 51
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 22 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C3 3A 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C4 32
0D0: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 32 00 64 64 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 30 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 C7 32 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA 18
100: 00 0B 0B 59 00 00 00 00 00 00 CE 0E 00 64 64 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 53 02 00 7B
170: 03 00 01 00 02 09 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 85

-- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 10 00 01 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0A
010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 01 00 00 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 AA 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 AB 01
040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 AC 01 00 00 00 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 AE 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B5 01
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B7 01 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 B8 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 BB 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BC 01
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BD 01 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C3 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C4 01
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 01 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 C7 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA 01
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CE 01 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 5B



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What exactly does the 11% mean?
 
So I edumacated myself on SMART. I see what you mean now. Talking to a friend of mine, and he says the drive is junk. I have the new drive coming for Friday.

I'm hoping this drive holds out until then. Ya'll will probably laugh, but this Windows version is from an upgrade disc from XP. :D So if I lose the drive, I'll have to buy Win10. I should still be able to clone the drive over though.


edit: wondering if I should shut the computer down until Friday so I don't lose the drive...
 
Definitely replace the drive. It's already been through 2700 PE cycles, and you can get a nice modern drive for fairly cheap now.
 
Westwood Arrakis said:
That bad, huh?

Should I keep the computer off? Typing this out on my phone is going to get old. Heh
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Well it looks like it is reporting 0 program failures and 0 erase failures (which I find hard to believe, but I guess maybe....), so it isn't end of the world or anything, but I certainly wouldn't trust the drive long term at this point.
 
As long as I can boot it up on Friday and clone the drive. I know my OS is ancient, but I don't want to have to spend the $100 if I don't have to.
 
Westwood Arrakis said:
As long as I can boot it up on Friday and clone the drive. I know my OS is ancient, but I don't want to have to spend the $100 if I don't have to.
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What OS are you using now? If Windows 10 it should auto activate if you clean install on a new drive in the same system.

Otherwise, do you know anyone that currently or used to work at Microsoft? They have access to Windows 10 for I think 40 bucks and it's ok for them to buy for friends and family as well.
 
Gronnie said:
What OS are you using now? If Windows 10 it should auto activate if you clean install on a new drive in the same system.

Otherwise, do you know anyone that currently or used to work at Microsoft? They have access to Windows 10 for I think 40 bucks and it's ok for them to buy for friends and family as well.
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You're going to laugh, but I found the disc I used. It's a Win7 upgrade disc. So I guess I was running XP before my build, and bought the upgrade CD.

Don't know anyone that works for microsoft. But, if you need a Chevy 350 I can hook you up!
 
Westwood Arrakis said:
That bad, huh?

Should I keep the computer off? Typing this out on my phone is going to get old. Heh
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Look at the last picture. The current error values are WAY above the threshold value.
You should be able to read stuff off of it just fine because SSDs place themselves in a read only state after this happens.
 
Gasaraki_ said:
Look at the last picture. The current error values are WAY above the threshold value.
You should be able to read stuff off of it just fine because SSDs place themselves in a read only state after this happens.
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So, wait. Just so I'm clear on this. All those 100s are a bad thing?
 
Westwood Arrakis said:
So, wait. Just so I'm clear on this. All those 100s are a bad thing?
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Not sure, looking at RAW values, a lot of them are clearly still 0, so I don't know what Crystal is reporting there - maybe there's some scaling or calculation or something.

Having a threshold of 1 for Power On Cycle and Power On Hours seems pretty silly.

The Health % is supposed to be an estimate of remaining life on your SSD based on SMART data. I'd say based on that alone it's time to replace the drive. 2012 it's given you a good run.
 
Brian_B said:
Not sure, looking at RAW values, a lot of them are clearly still 0, so I don't know what Crystal is reporting there - maybe there's some scaling or calculation or something.

Having a threshold of 1 for Power On Cycle and Power On Hours seems pretty silly.

The Health % is supposed to be an estimate of remaining life on your SSD based on SMART data. I'd say based on that alone it's time to replace the drive. 2012 it's given you a good run.
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Yea, I must say the system held up fairly well. Its by no means a quality build. I had a 660 I think and that crapped out after a year. RMA'd it and they sent me a 770. Simple i5 and 16gb of RAM. Nowadays I'm lucky if I get a few hours a week to play Path of Exile.

Drive should be here tomorrow. Then I get a crash course on how to clone a drive. I guess I install partition wizard on one of my HDD, unplug another one of my HDD, plug in the new SSD in its place, clone the current C: drive to the new SSD, shut down, remove old SSD, and I guess I'll have to go into the boot options and select the new SSD as the boot drive.

Seems sort of basic I guess. Iunno. I'm a far better welder/engine builder than I am with computers. :D
 
Where is SMART ID 0xB1 / 177dec Wear Leveling Count?

I have a computer with a Crucial m4 512GB SSD that has over 40000 power on hours and it still says 95% lifetime remaining so the number of hours isn't the cause of the 11% lifetime remaining.

Please download Hard Disk Sentinel and post a screenshot of the SMART tab. I'd be surprised if SMART ID 177 isn't listed because the wear leveling count is very important value to track. My m4, for example, is at 177 Wear Leveling Count.
 
Westwood Arrakis said:
You're going to laugh, but I found the disc I used. It's a Win7 upgrade disc. So I guess I was running XP before my build, and bought the upgrade CD.

Don't know anyone that works for microsoft. But, if you need a Chevy 350 I can hook you up!
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Assuming that you want Windows 10, and that your copy of 7 is legitimate - download Magic Jelly Bean Keyfinder (the free version b/c that's all you need). Use it to grab the Windows 7 key.

Then, on a working computer, hop over to the Microsoft Media Creation page (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10) and download the Media Creation Tool (the Download Tool Now button/link on the page). Use that .exe to download either an ISO image to burn to DVD, or download the files to a flash drive. Finally, use the new DVD or flash media to install to your new SSD. When it asks for your Windows key, use the Windows 7 key that you grabbed from the old SSD, and it will install.
 
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TrailRunner said:
Assuming that you want Windows 10, and that your copy of 7 is legitimate - download Magic Jelly Bean Keyfinder (the free version b/c that's all you need). Use it to grab the Windows 7 key.

Then, on a working computer, hop over to the Microsoft Media Creation page (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10) and download the Media Creation Tool (the Download Tool Now button/link on the page). Use that .exe to download either an ISO image to burn to DVD, or download the files to a flash drive. Finally, use the new DVD or flash media to install to your new SSD. When it asks for your Windows key, use the Windows 7 key that you grabbed from the old SSD, and it will install.
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Hrm. I have the original packaging that came with Win7. Has the key right there too. Its an upgrade CD though. Not sure if that qualifies as "legit". Either way, I was fine with Win7. Worked just fine for me.
 
Azrak said:
Where is SMART ID 0xB1 / 177dec Wear Leveling Count?

I have a computer with a Crucial m4 512GB SSD that has over 40000 power on hours and it still says 95% lifetime remaining so the number of hours isn't the cause of the 11% lifetime remaining.

Please download Hard Disk Sentinel and post a screenshot of the SMART tab. I'd be surprised if SMART ID 177 isn't listed because the wear leveling count is very important value to track. My m4, for example, is at 177 Wear Leveling Count.
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Your right, in that "lifespan" has very little to do with power on hours. It's all about wear leveling / total system writes.

It isn't shown clearly in that screenshot of CrystalDisk, but given that it's reporting 11% and the drive is ... 6ish years old, that sounds like it could be legit.

As far as cloning the drive - it's really not a huge issue. There's tons of free software that can do it, and it's pretty brainless so long as your new drive is >= the capacity of your old drive (it only requires some work if you have to downsize to fit onto a smaller drive).
 
Azrak said:
Where is SMART ID 0xB1 / 177dec Wear Leveling Count?

I have a computer with a Crucial m4 512GB SSD that has over 40000 power on hours and it still says 95% lifetime remaining so the number of hours isn't the cause of the 11% lifetime remaining.

Please download Hard Disk Sentinel and post a screenshot of the SMART tab. I'd be surprised if SMART ID 177 isn't listed because the wear leveling count is very important value to track. My m4, for example, is at 177 Wear Leveling Count.
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It's not the power on hours that is the problem, it's the PE (program / erase) cycles, ie how many times the NAND has been written and then erased. Eventually it wears out.
 
Gasaraki_ said:
Look at the last picture. The current error values are WAY above the threshold value.
You should be able to read stuff off of it just fine because SSDs place themselves in a read only state after this happens.
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Those are normalized values. 100 is good (or sometimes they use 253) and it decreases down to the threshold.
The Raw values are also up to the manufacturer. The read/write errors and reallocation raw values might count up or they may point to the last sector. Wikipedia has a generalized list of raw values and takes a guess at what might be good.

The status of 11% is the estimated SSD life remaining based on P/E count (writes and erases). The windows warning pops up near 10% life remaining, so yeah it should be replaced even though it hasn't had any errors.
 
It's odd because I never put any more on the drive other than my OS. Photoshop had a cache in there though that I had overlooked. Spotify was dumping something there too.

Oh well. It's lasted over five years. I can't complain. I just hope my OS clones over alright since it's a freakin upgrade of XP. Heh
 
Westwood Arrakis said:
It's odd because I never put any more on the drive other than my OS. Photoshop had a cache in there though that I had overlooked. Spotify was dumping something there too.

Oh well. It's lasted over five years. I can't complain. I just hope my OS clones over alright since it's a freakin upgrade of XP. Heh
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Keep in mind that the drive is rather small (128GB), so it only takes 128GB of writes to count as one "wear level count" if the drive spreads the writes across all NAND cells evenly. It's more complicated than that, but in general the larger the SSD, the more writes (in bytes) it takes to wear it out just because it has more total NAND available to spread the writes out over time.

For example, I've got a Samsung 850 EVO 1TB that I installed about 1 year ago and the Wear Level Count is at 2 and the Total LBA Written value is 0x17F017EFF which translates to something like 3.1TB written. I assume it will tick over to Wear Level Count 3 soon since the number of bytes written is about 3x the size of the drive.

Gronnie said:
It's not the power on hours that is the problem, it's the PE (program / erase) cycles, ie how many times the NAND has been written and then erased. Eventually it wears out.
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I was not sure if power on hours was used as a small contributing factor in the calculation of the lifetime remaining value. As electronics age, the risk of failure (unrelated to PE cycles of NAND) increases. Nothing lasts forever.
 
I gotcha. That makes sense.

I appreciate the help. This place never disappoints me.
 
Annnnnd installed! That wasn't bad at all. Its like I never left.

Thanks for the help, fellas. Can always count on you folks for getting this stuff figured out.
 
Azrak said:
I was not sure if power on hours was used as a small contributing factor in the calculation of the lifetime remaining value. As electronics age, the risk of failure (unrelated to PE cycles of NAND) increases. Nothing lasts forever.
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It is, but MTTF (mean time to failure) is now measured between 1-2 million hours for most SSDs (ie longer than most lifetimes).
 
That's a great choice (I don't work for Samsung but can admire good quality at a good price). I personally wouldn't enable RAPID, especially if you don't have a USP.
 
Gronnie said:
What OS are you using now? If Windows 10 it should auto activate if you clean install on a new drive in the same system.

Otherwise, do you know anyone that currently or used to work at Microsoft? They have access to Windows 10 for I think 40 bucks and it's ok for them to buy for friends and family as well.
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There are ways to get W10 for way less than $40. Knowing the right people helps but searching around a bit should point you the right way.
 
BTW, you are not using Intel's Rapid Storage Technology drivers. You are using Window's SATA drivers. Being the 7 series with the latter RST and not capable of the most recent releases, I still find Intel's RST to be better performing personally.
 
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JSquid said:
There are ways to get W10 for way less than $40. Knowing the right people helps but searching around a bit should point you the right way.
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Most of those keys are not legit and are subject to deactivation at any point.
 
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