MX518 or Razer Plasma Edition

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Which one would you pick the MX518 or Razer Plasma Edition for gaming and why? Also, which mouse pad would go best with the mouse? Thanks
 
I am going to get the 518. I just like logitech as a company more. Both are outstanding mice and have very similar specs if not the same optical sensor.
 
Hard decision, I'm logitech fan so I'll probably go that route... but it depends which feels better to you really. Handy nowhere has razer to try
 
I got the 518 and I really like it. I would like to have checked out one of the Razer's in person, but I don't know anyone who has one and there were no B&M stores that I could find that carried them.
Like USMC2Hard4U said, they are both outstanding mice, so I would recommend picking the one that feels the most comfortable to you.
Happy Fragging!
 
i would go to a best buy and try out the mx510 od 518, it is the same shapethey are the same shape, becasue the mx510 is too cntoured for me. The finger and thumb placement dont really work for me. I just like the feel for the razor a lot more. Mousees are all about feel, get whats best for you.
 
Razer. I've tried both. I don't believe the rest of the posters did above.

-J.
 
I dont like the shape of the Razer Diamondback and i have a new Logitech MX518 so i would say go with that. The MX518's ability to adjust sensitivity on the fly is nice.
 
aironite said:
Whichever fits your hand better. Plasma is a damn good looking mouse though.
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that it is. So when are the plasma's due to come out in retail stores?

/me hopes local bestbuy has them to try.
 
burningrave101 said:
The MX518's ability to adjust sensitivity on the fly is nice.
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They nicked that idea from Razer in the first place.

My vote is for the DiamondBack because all the people saying 'get logitech' here have never used the DB and are only pushing their own mouse as a way of justifying to themselves the value of their purchase.

BTW to anyone saying that one is more accurate than the other, DPI doesnt mean shit in reality these days (cause you can't use more than 400/800), people should be concerned with refresh rate instead.
 
didnt like the feel of the 518... but I do love the feel of my Razer.. so I went with that..
 
I think I am going to get the razor instead of the 518. I never owned one of their mice but it cant be too bad.
 
I would say MX518. I have had Razer mice before, and they don't do it for me. The Razers do not conform to my hand properly, seem to big and clunky to even be considered.
 
From what I have read they are both excellent, but the mx518 seems to be the better mouse overall. If you are right handed the 518 would probably be better because it is a non-generic design.
 
Try both. I found the Diamondback to be really small and flimsy. However some people don't like the ergo of the MX518 or it's weight. MX518 definitely wins in aesthetics, IMO. The Diamondback/Plasma looks stupid and ricey. Like something a 10 year old would want.

Edit: Not to mention the MX518 can be had for ~$40.
 
anyone know any places to check out a diamondback? bestbuy has it online but i didn't see any in the store.

I think the deciding factor is how you hold the mouse. I don't lay my hand on the mouse.....i simply grasp the side with my fingers and rest my palm on the desk. i think that style of people are gonna prefer the DB. those who rest the weight of their hand on the mouse are gonna prefer the 518.

how close is the DB design to this Logitech Mouse. i've had one of those and i think that simple design works better for gaming in my case.
 
I've made this post numerous times, so I'll just summarize. I've used both, I'd recommend the 518. In addition to the DB being uncomfortably small for me (and I have small hands), it has some serious driver issues which result in pixel skipping, inherent mouse acceleration (however small it may be), etc.. I liked both mice, but I feel the 518 is more comfortable, more reliable and more accurate, if only slightly. I invite you to search before you make threads like these; we've debated this many, many, MANY times before. Good luck with your decision.
 
The issues with the DB software were corrected in the May 5th release, it's not an inherent issue with the hardware, just a driver issue. Pixel skipping was never a problem, people just didn't have their generic XP settings set correctly. I currently use the DB, and previously owned the mx700, but the logitech mice try to conform your hand to the mouse too much. If you've never wrapped your meat mittens around an MX, I strongly suggest it. If you can't find any kind of DB to feel up, this logitech is probably the closest thing to it. Same basic design and height, the DB just slopes off the back a little longer.
 
Does anybody know if the Razers even work in Linux? Or do they require special propietary drivers to work correctly? :confused:
 
zekez said:
If you can't find any kind of DB to feel up, this logitech is probably the closest thing to it. Same basic design and height, the DB just slopes off the back a little longer.
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that's what i thought. the shape looks so similar. I've owned that exact mouse before and the way i hold the mouse, it works perfect. (holding onto the mouse with your finger tips and not your whole hand).
 
1c3d0g said:
Does anybody know if the Razers even work in Linux? Or do they require special propietary drivers to work correctly? :confused:
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I don't know... but I'll find out when mine gets here. (I am on a dual-boot Gentoo/Win2K system).
 
This was the same toss-up for me, as i loved the 510, but:

- 518 is UGLEH
- Good ergonomics in theory, in practice the MX mice aren't held the way they're designed to be, so that negates the ergonomics
- Diamondback looks great, has equal/better features (better refresh and Gs)
- Diamondback is cheaper, and Razer = original performance brand, if they don't got it it's not worth having
- Diamondback is better ergonomically, bigger non-slip buttons, not specifically right-handed etc.

That's what did it for me, even tho i wanted 518 originally
 
LunchboX3904 said:
that's what i thought. the shape looks so similar. I've owned that exact mouse before and the way i hold the mouse, it works perfect. (holding onto the mouse with your finger tips and not your whole hand).
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That's how 99% of people do it, whether they realise it or not, which is why i said above the ergonomics of the MXs are pointless, no one clasps the mouse like that with the thumb groove etc, you just wouldn't be able to move it properly - you don't use your whole arm to move a mouse, mainly just your wrist

EDIT: alternatively, wait a while for the Saitek gamer's mouse to come out, that looks swoooosh! Best of both worlds
 
I've had both mice (well, I have the Magma DB, not the plasma), and I prefer the Razer, in terms of performance they are effectively identical, but I prefer the ergonomics of the Razer (and it's glowier!), for some reason I don't find the shape of the Logitech mice comfortable, I think it's because I don't really like to rest my hand on the mouse, I sort of use my fingertips to move it around, the physically smaller size of the razer makes that easier for me (No wierd surfaces).
 
i am left handed, so i really only have one option, which is the diamondback. i have the magma one and the plasma for my laptop. i have got to say they are freakin sweet, cant beat them.
 
lol, seems like every other person says MX518, and other says Razer. Doesn't make decision easy
 
KoolDrew said:
Definitely the MX518. It is the best gaming mouse ATM.
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And you know this for a fact, huh? Probably never even seen a Razer in real life... Sad.

I've had an MX700, MX1000, and a Razer Diamondback. I like the Diamondback the best, it's the lightest and tracks the best. Also, it feels the best in my hands. The sensitivity will take a little getting used to, but it feels much more accurate. And it's not like holding half of a potato.
 
Are there driver conflicts using a Razer and an MX Duo at the same time (for the purpose of the wireless keyboard)?
 
Actually, hold on; how about the Saitek Gaming Mouse? this looks good, Razer's nifty blue LED and superior ergonomics coupled with logitech's handy 800-1600dpi switch (let's be honest, Razer's sensitivity scrolling in-game makes barely any noticeable difference) and side buttons. Looks as good as the plasma too, though the flashing LED would get on my tits. Anyone know what i could do to make the LED not flash?
 
I want my mouse to work, not glow blue or red and induce seizures.

Personally I like any mouse that's lightweight and accurate. I grip the mouse with my fingers and thumb, and with that in mind, the MX310 works best for me, and the Razor probably would too, but like I said above, I don't need or want glowing red or blue crap which the Razor unfortunately has and that Saitek mouse goes crazy with.

I'd still take the Razor over the MX518, although I wish the Razor had button 4 and 5 both on the left side so I can press them with my thumb, like the MX518 and Intellimouse do.

The MX518 design is pointless for gamers though because if you palm the mouse like Logitech apparently thinks all gamers do, you probably get your ass handed to you in most of the games you play, except maybe Hearts and Spades. Sadly, I think the Microsoft Intellimouse 4 is easiest to hold and grip if you use your thumb and fingers, but it's not a good gaming mouse.

The best gaming mouse in the world would be one that lets you hold the mouse with your thumb and fingertips but fills in the empty space in the cusp of your hand that holding the mouse like that creates. It would have a deep indentation for your thumb with 1 button above and below it so that you could slightly adjust your thumb to activate them. The wheel would be at about a 30 degree angle and raised up above the left/right button instead of sitting horizontal right between the 2 buttons like they are on every mouse.

I still don't understand who designs "gaming" mice, but they are probably too entrenched in the "standard" designs so that they can't break form and design something new that would probably sell millions just because of the original-ness of it.
 
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