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Mozilla Releases Firefox 15

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Firefox 15 has been released by Mozilla today and sports new enhancements for gaming, improving on memory efficiency and full support for background updating. The browser update is available for download today.

The latest round of browser improvements are paving the way for even more elaborate gaming experiences. In Firefox 15, Mozilla has added native support for using compressed textures in WebGL, lowering the overhead of using high-resolution images in video memory.
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No thanks, It seems Mozilla will not release Firefox x64 from Alpha to even Beta, let alone a mainstream release...

Please note that while the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows Vista and Windows 7 can be used to run Firefox 15, only 32-bit builds of Firefox 15 are supported at this time.
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I have experienced far too many bugs on every version of FF starting with v4. v4 was released around 03/20/11 and according to Wiki's stat counters Firefox has been on a steady decline ever since (having fallen from 30.4% to 23.7%). I wonder if it is related...
 
I used to be a devotee, but I'm sick of the seemingly millions of updates (which are more intrusive than Chrome's) and the needless breaking of plug-ins and re-downloading of Flash every other week.
FF's still the most customizable browser out there, but I wish they'd go back to their older, leaner ways.
I use all of the browsers pretty often for work, but my FF usage has fallen off in recent months.
 
Domingo said:
I used to be a devotee, but I'm sick of the seemingly millions of updates (which are more intrusive than Chrome's) and the needless breaking of plug-ins and re-downloading of Flash every other week.
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Yet, with Chrome (latest version), Flash still crashes on me about 2 to 4 times a day. It doesn't matter if I use the internal or external plugin.

So, I'm thinking that's more of an issue with Adobe than Chrome or Firefox.
 
they removed the Tabs on top button which messed me up. I found a post somewhere which had some code to paste in the web developers tool which fixed this issue and now my tabs are back on the bottom.
 
Sparky said:
they removed the Tabs on top button which messed me up. I found a post somewhere which had some code to paste in the web developers tool which fixed this issue and now my tabs are back on the bottom.
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What the, no tabs?? That's like blasphemy
 
JokerCPoC said:
No thanks, It seems Mozilla will not release Firefox x64 from Alpha to even Beta, let alone a mainstream release...
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We've had 64-bit Firefox on GNU/Linux for almost ten years.

Blame Microsoft for using the non-standard LLP64 data model because that is where the hold up is in getting a "64-bit" version of Firefox for Windows.
 
Stiletto said:
They fix the memory leak yet? Nope, doesn't look like it.
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Fixing memory leaks is hard work. And when I say "hard work", I mean "absurdly easy".

A static analyzer would have a fucking field day with Firefox's codebase, I bet. That might be a fun exercise for a rainy day.
 
FireFox 15...sounds like they really need to come up with an entirely new name, instead of all the remake numbers.
 
damicatz said:
We've had 64-bit Firefox on GNU/Linux for almost ten years.

Blame Microsoft for using the non-standard LLP64 data model because that is where the hold up is in getting a "64-bit" version of Firefox for Windows.
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But...64 bit IE works perfectly for me. (It's all I use and I even disabled 32 bit IE).
 
BBA said:
But...64 bit IE works perfectly for me. (It's all I use and I even disabled 32 bit IE).
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IE isn't a cross-platform application. Firefox is.

Basically it boils down to this :

LP64 :
Solaris, AIX, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, GNU/Linux, Mac OS X, Haiku

LLP64 :
Windows
 
For any reasonably well-engineered piece of software, it shouldn't be that gargantuan an issue. How could one reasonably argue that an over-reliance on the word length of fundamental data types for operability is good design?
 
octoberasian said:
Yet, with Chrome (latest version), Flash still crashes on me about 2 to 4 times a day. It doesn't matter if I use the internal or external plugin.

So, I'm thinking that's more of an issue with Adobe than Chrome or Firefox.
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I wonder why it's stable on Internet Explorer though. If it's an Adobe thing, shouldn't it break IE 8/9 as well?

Anyhow, how do they increment this many versions in such a short period of time? In March of 2011, they were at version 4.0 and it's like a 17 months later and they moved up 11 major releases? That's silly!
 
wonderfield said:
For any reasonably well-engineered piece of software, it shouldn't be that gargantuan an issue. How could one reasonably argue that an over-reliance on the word length of fundamental data types for operability is good design?
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The same reason that people used the least-significant bit of a memory address to store data (thus breaking large address aware).

Basically, programming is like fine wine in that it takes time to do it properly. Most PHBs (including those that work for non-profits like the Mozilla Foundation) do not understand this and set arbitrary and unrealistic deadlines. As a result, programmers end up taking shortcuts that end up coming back to bite in the long run.
 
SkribbelKat said:
I wonder why it's stable on Internet Explorer though. If it's an Adobe thing, shouldn't it break IE 8/9 as well?

Anyhow, how do they increment this many versions in such a short period of time? In March of 2011, they were at version 4.0 and it's like a 17 months later and they moved up 11 major releases? That's silly!
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Ass Dotzler decided that they needed to copy Chrome.

Frankly, I dread every "upgrade" to Firefox now because it ends up breaking more stuff and then I have to spend more time reverting the interface to a usable interface state. I'm going to call this "Windows 8 syndrome". Basically, they hired a bunch of hip fashion designers and put them in charge of the interface and now we have things like making preferences a web page rather than a dialog and constant interface changes to whatever happens to be in vogue.
 
damicatz said:
Ass Dotzler decided that they needed to copy Chrome.

Frankly, I dread every "upgrade" to Firefox now because it ends up breaking more stuff and then I have to spend more time reverting the interface to a usable interface state. I'm going to call this "Windows 8 syndrome". Basically, they hired a bunch of hip fashion designers and put them in charge of the interface and now we have things like making preferences a web page rather than a dialog and constant interface changes to whatever happens to be in vogue.
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Haha! Windows 8 syndrome! :)

You'd think that if they're losing some of their popularity as a browser, they'd do something proactive to change that problem, but maybe they're too tied up with making their new cloud OS or something to pay any attention to fighting off Chrome.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Haha! Windows 8 syndrome! :)

You'd think that if they're losing some of their popularity as a browser, they'd do something proactive to change that problem, but maybe they're too tied up with making their new cloud OS or something to pay any attention to fighting off Chrome.
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The problem isn't that they are loosing popularity to Chrome, the problem is that they think that this is a problem.

Firefox is never going to outchrome Chrome and they should stop trying. Firefox's roots are in a browser oriented towards computer geeks and it needs to go back to those roots. Who cares if the market share isn't the highest? Without the "geek cred", Firefox would be nothing and it's infuriating to see people like Ass Dotzler try and turn it into a bastardized version of Chrome.

The new "Australis" interface that they are pushing is a disaster. They've decided to make everything like Chrome by getting rid of windows and replacing them with fullscreen tabs. The tabs themselves disappear when they are not active and I still think that tabs in the title bar are a mistake because it makes it impossible to actually click the titlebar (which is important when your windowing system is set to only raise windows when you click on the titlebar and not the body of the window).
 
Skripka said:
So...solve FireFox's memory leaks by...allowing it to leak into more memory?
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Well a large part of the problem is address space fragmentation. You can only allocate address space in contiguous blocks. As address space is deallocated, it leaves behind fragments of free space and eventually you don't have any large blocks of contiguous free address space which increases overhead.
 
i thought the "memory leak" or as FF called it a "feature" could be limited in the FF config?
 
FF update not 3.6.29?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT
nope, get bent mozilla I don't want firechrome and never will.
 
JokerCPoC said:
No thanks, It seems Mozilla will not release Firefox x64 from Alpha to even Beta, let alone a mainstream release...
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You've probably come here to complain about memory every time a new version came out right? 64-bit is going to use more by design, and the 64-bit builds available tend to have slower javascript performance, which more people will complain about, even though it still is not bad IMHO.

The main focus has been to fix the plugin holding tab memory issues once and for all, and 15 finally moves the bigger improvements into the latest release. If you really want 64-bit go to waterfox, but there is no real benefit to doing so, similar to how it is with IE.
 
Firefox rarely goes above 300Mb of ram on my system. Thats about 3% of my ram.

I don't think that.s an issue.

However, 14.0.1 crashing all the time in Windows 8 is, so hopefully 15 will fix it.
 
I've been using WaterFox 64-Bit for quite some time. So will I get WaterFox 15 or what?
I use 64bit because....I was just trying it out and got used to the blue logo (does that suffice?).
 
JokerCPoC said:
No thanks, It seems Mozilla will not release Firefox x64 from Alpha to even Beta, let alone a mainstream release...
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Even 64-bit Internet Explorer isn't recommended by most due to the lack of support and plug-ins. Nothing new there.

SharePoint will not function properly on 64-bit Internet Explorer for example, and that's a Microsoft product.
 
night_2004 said:
I have experienced far too many bugs on every version of FF starting with v4. v4 was released around 03/20/11 and according to Wiki's stat counters Firefox has been on a steady decline ever since (having fallen from 30.4% to 23.7%). I wonder if it is related...
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It's declining because since they went rapid release the quality and stability has gone to shit.

I've sat there and watched it take 2 minutes just to launch. And re-launching after a crash
? Sometimes you can't even do it without a restart.

Firefox is in the toilet. I was a hardcore FF user but about a month ago I had enough and started using Chrome.
 
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