Where are you looking? I'm looking at a Precision 5810 right now on Dell's US website.
E5-2630 v4
32 gb ddr4
256 gb ssd
Quadro M2000 4GB
$3,099.01
I'm not saying it's better, cause it's not. Just the price isn't $5k.
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Where are you looking? I'm looking at a Precision 5810 right now on Dell's US website.
E5-2630 v4
32 gb ddr4
256 gb ssd
Quadro M2000 4GB
$3,099.01
I'm not saying it's better, cause it's not. Just the price isn't $5k.
Not going to argue against that, as it is one of the reasons I keep as much separate in my systems as possible, but there are many people who like the all-in-one design. I would hope that this system would support extra monitors. Though I wonder how many people who would be interested in the base system would be looking to have a bigger monitor than what comes with it?
And once these students graduate, have bills to pay, and have to directly pay for the computer themselves, they will be looking at those cheap $300 Lenovo's at Best Buy or Office Depot.
With 0 support, so if your hackintosh goes down, and you can't work, you are SOL, and out productivity of likely days that will cost you exponentially more money than the savings of building your own.
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Upgrade to a 1TB SSD, and a MUCH higher-end card, along with a high-end 5K Monitor.
What's your price now?
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LOL. Are you serious? Or just a troll?
I mean I understand the Apple hate and all, I don't care for anything they sell either. But comparing an older gen CPU with slower clocks, a super small SATA SSD and an extremely old and discontinued GPU that has a fraction of the performance of the GPU in this, and not even including a display. Lets add Dells 5k display to your 3,099.01 price, that brings us to $4899, so for a savings of $100, you get a computer with slower storage thats 1/4 the size, and less than 1/6th the GPU performance and 1/4 the GPU memory and no 10Gbe. Thank you for opening my eyes on how over priced this Apple is. The same Dell with the same specs as the Apple, or as close as one can get seeing as none of these newer parts are available in the Dell yet, and a Dell 5K monitor, and you will be looking at almost 8 grand, yes, almost twice as much.
Seriously, hate where its needed, and give props where it's deserved.
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1tb NVME SSD standard
I'm.holding judgement until a review can be had. But yes. I suspect even the great Steve Jobs distortion field can't overcome physics.
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WTF does it need 4 mics for? No one doing DAW work is gonna use that...
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I imagine for background noise isolation/cancelling.
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Probably FaceTime and other video conference related, Willing to bet it has something to do with directional coverage and noise.
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Updated it to be a little closer and went with the 1660 instead of the 1680:
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Firepro W8100 8gb
1TB NVMe Boot drive
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I'm seeing $4872 (you can usually get this lower if you talk to them).
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Lol, it's not, but it's useful in an office environment if you use a lot of video conferencing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯I guess...didn't realize that was such a huge issue
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Still missing a display (huge cost here), Dells own workstation 5K display is around $1,800. And that GPU is half or less the performance of the GPU in this Mac Pro. So $6672 and you still end up with a slower GPU, but at least we are getting closer.
That's the thing, it's actually not, a workstation Dell of the same specs costs more. I understand lots of the Apple hate from people all the time.....It's just this isn't one of them.
I don't like Apple, at all. But I give props where due.
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Why is anyone on this site defending Apple's price inflation on this product?
This is HardOCP:
WE DON'T BUY PREFABS
Anyways, Apple makes a quality product from end to end, but you pay a premium, this is known Kahleesi.
This is HardOCP:
WE DON'T BUY PREFABS
Anyways, Apple makes a quality product from end to end, but you pay a premium, this is known Kahleesi.
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I have to make purchasing decisions for a company , and there i definitely will only buy prefabs.
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I prefer calling it Bullshit but to each his ownCan we go back to calling shenanigans instead please? It's more fun.
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What premium?
I think people who are saying this have never actually shopped for workstations from other vendors, spec for spec, this Mac Pro is CHEAPER than the other options, that makes Dell and the like the cost premium.
I do expect the higher speced Mac Pro to lessen the deal and get closer to the Dell pricing, I could be wrong. When the last Mac Pro came out it had some highend gear and not even talking about Dell, but trying to build one myself with the cheapest parts, I could not match Apples price, which included DUAL $1.5k GPUs.
I could build something myself cheaper than this, without doubt, but this is meant for business, just like Dells workstations, having a vendor and support are a MAJOR factor. Smaller business or individuals however might go for custom boxes, but past that having support, big time on site support and uptime etc etc for a larger set of computers is more important.
If people want to talk about prebuilt prices, like Apple, the same thing applies to ALL of them, that is why people here build their own systems. However, as shocking as it might be, for the market this is in, and the competition it is dealing with, this is actually....Wait for it.....A decent price.
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I just built a 2010 Mac Pro, 12 cores @ 3.46GHz, 64GB ECC RAM, PCI-E SSD and GTX 1080Ti for $1800.
If you can find a Classic Mac Pro, it's a better option if you need to do pro work on a Mac cheaply.
Looking to build another very soon.
If you can find a Classic Mac Pro, it's a better option if you need to do pro work on a Mac cheaply.
Looking to build another very soon.
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You mean a hackintosh? I don't see any options to custom build your Mac on Apple's site and usually the Pro series uses only Pro grfx which are the Fire or Quadro series cards.
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You could always sell the system when you want to upgrade and buy a new one. Would likely be the same cost differential as a "standard" upgrade.
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From the iMac Pro site linked earlier in this tread...this system will support:
- Two 5120‑by‑2880 (5K) external displays at 60Hz with support for 1 billion colors, or
- Four 3840-by-2160 (4K UHD) external displays at 60Hz with support for 1 billion colors, or
- Four 4096‑by‑2304 (4K) external displays at 60Hz with support for millions of colors
Thank god, some logical reasoning and intelligence in this thread -- couldn't have said it better.
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You guys realize you are on a site that takes everything logically and honestly could find a way to build and maintain their systems better and cheaper than any of the Dell, HP, Apple. Thats what HardCOPer's do, we find a way to do it better on our own. That inherently gives us the fuel to hate. Sometimes its justified and sometimes it isn't.
I do realize that Apple is pretty competitive on this pricing but honestly there aren't going to be MASSIVE numbers of people going out and buying this.
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A tool doesnt need to be pretty, needs to get the job done in the best possible way or the shortest amount of time. The ones that normally put beauty over functionality either dont pay for the tool or dont value their time enough.
Case in point, the Pro moniker at apple with their current offerings is a joke.
And we live in a society were you are free to express your opinion about those people. Hence why I said "some people".
Many times their magical devices do fail and also their support.
Their current designs are anti consumer and anti repair, hell, they even went out of their way to block a bill that granted owners the right to repair their own stuff.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/03/09/apple-lobbies-against-right-to-repair-proposal-in-nebraska
You are using windows because it is a better tool for what you want, since your belove apple doesnt give a rat's ass about gaming, or expandable systems and yes, be ready to pay out of your ass for those apple approved external GPUs.
Their prices are not that bad in certain devices, but others, like the super obsolete Mac pro is just robbery.
Thats just fanboi speak.
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Exactly, they dont realize the advantage of being able to do a quick repair or replace a part instead of having to carry your beloved itoy to a store for a simple GPU or memory update.
Our CTO asked the other day to have his MBP 13 SSD upgraded to 1 TB from 256GB. It's one of the removable ones.
I called Apple, asked how much for the drive, so we can buy and replace it and the support person told me, we dont sell drives and you should've planned better when you bought the MBP, since that is your only chance to get the drive that you want.
I would love to hear such a lame reply from a dell rep.
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That's a completely illogical take, so have a nice day.
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Thanks, same to you.
Support? If anything goes wrong with the iLack Pro other than the memory, it isn't getting fixed. It is an integrated all in one unit, there is literally zero repairability which already makes it a non-starter for any competently run IT department. Monitor goes bad? Oh well, too bad you have to replace the whole computer (which is much more trouble than simply replacing the monitor on a standalone tower). SSD fails? I guarantee that the SSD will either be soldered onto the motherboard or use a non-standard interface.
In addition, all of that graphical power is worthless without an operating system that can actually use it. With Mac OS's total lack of anything resembling modern OpenGL support (they are still stuck on 4.1) and OpenCL support (they are still stuck on 1.2), it is totally unsuitable for professional applications.
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Actually very repairable Apple Stores do the repairs in stores it just takes special tools which is why it is difficult to repair on your own. Also the warranties cover bad parts that need replaced. You also are demonstrating a complete unawareness of the fact most modern applications use Apple's own API Metal which functions more like Vulken with OpenCL mixed in. It is still one of the most popular development platforms for coders. You are absolutely allowed to have preferences and not like something, but your ignorance about a platform doesn't mean it is not a viable platform.
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Do you know what a Classic Mac Pro is? Look it up.
It's not sold anymore. But it was Apple's last modular tower that could be upgraded.
Nvidia released Pascal Drivers a few weeks ago for it.
Apple Store doesn't do much good if you aren't located near one. Or if your computers are being used to handle confidential data and you don't want to or legally can't give Apple possession of that data (e.g. HIPPA).
Workstation grade applications aren't using Metal in large numbers. Let me know when Autodesk, for example, supports it. Microsoft gets away with having a proprietary graphics API on the desktop because of market share. Apple has no such luxury.
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I know I touched on this before, but to all those people saying this is cheap etc... really, wait and see if you can actually USE the power they're packing into it. I bet you this thing will get DAMN hot.
Another thing I can't fathom, back when the 27" iMac came out it was pretty impressive, simply because 27" monitors weren't exactly common/cheap. I would have thought they'd go with something much bigger than 27" and it would have also given them more space for cooling etc.
Another thing I can't fathom, back when the 27" iMac came out it was pretty impressive, simply because 27" monitors weren't exactly common/cheap. I would have thought they'd go with something much bigger than 27" and it would have also given them more space for cooling etc.
Does anyone actually own a workstation from Dell, HP, or Lenovo here? Apple does not provide business-class warranties, much less a three year pro warranty included in the price. If iMac goes belly-up no one will show up at my door the next day to fix it. I would have to haul that machine to an Apple store and line up - and I don't have an Apple store anywhere near me. Been there done that with a 65lbs Mac Pro 5.1 that Apple kept for a week. Never again. When I order an HP Z or Lenovo Thinkstation I am paying for onsite technical support for three years. I need this for my work and so do many other folks. Apple is a no-go.
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As the local fanboi expressed before "but it is a pretty tool and every Apple device gets a sprinkle of Jobs ashes before leaving the factory"!
That's the problem, they do live in another reality.
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Are you talking about actual enterprise support?
https://www.apple.com/support/enterprise/
This is from their IBM partnership a few years ago, supposedly it works pretty well. I've only used Dell ProSupport though (they don't include it in the price btw).
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Don't bother the irrational hatred for anything Apple in this thread will have you marked as a fanboi if you even try to be reasonable.
It's very obvious that you have never own an Imac.......... They are very repairable. I had an 2012 Imac and used it heavily for gaming. The GPU went bad and I took it to the Apple store. Later that same day, they had replaced the motherboard all in store.
All in one doesn't mean the monitor is physically glued to the motherboard, the memory port is the only user accessible thing but you can take it apart and access the many parts inside. You'd just have to pull off the screen.
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And people wondered where Vega is. You have your answer. AMD will put far more Vega in Apple workstations like this, across various universities, companies and institutions than they will sell at launch to gamers and some miners.
You negated to mention the latency reduction benefit HBM provides.
Probably parallel fins like a server and at best perhaps different sized exit holes to maintain an even flow towards the rear.. there isn't much more you can do there. Maybe an exotic sloped vapour chamber.. or you thinking they went metal foam or something? I don't see it because it would be a servicing nightmare.
And as someone who is not a fan of apple, I probably would be hard pressed to build a better rig (other than cooling/noise/modularity) for much less if at all..
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So AMD or apple only has specified DP 1.3 and four DP/TB ports? That's weird, as Vega should support 8k output resolutions. Even marketing so far has.
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You negated to mention the latency reduction benefit HBM provides.
Probably parallel fins like a server and at best perhaps different sized exit holes to maintain an even flow towards the rear.. there isn't much more you can do there. Maybe an exotic sloped vapour chamber.. or you thinking they went metal foam or something? I don't see it because it would be a servicing nightmare.
And as someone who is not a fan of apple, I probably would be hard pressed to build a better rig (other than cooling/noise/modularity) for much less if at all..
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So AMD or apple only has specified DP 1.3 and four DP/TB ports? That's weird, as Vega should support 8k output resolutions. Even marketing so far has.
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Wasn't aware of that, since when we buy Dell equipment, the warranty is already there, no optional like this one and can be expanded as needed.
Considering that I place the orders for our Macs, not once they ever bothered in offering this, just the typical included warranty of bring your Mac to our store, so the geniuses can fix it.
The sad thing is, there is a difference between a fanboi and a customer.
A customer looks out for what is the best tool for the job, not the prettiest, like someone in this thread.
So no, is not blind hatred because is an Apple device, is simply a matter of logical decision to get the best tool for the work ahead.
The reality is, apple barely cares about the enterprise/pro market, their priority is iOS/iPhone, the rest doesn't matter.
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And how much did that cost? Or rather, would it have cost had your applecare run out?
The only real criticism I see here is that of an AIO Pro model...