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Mobile graphics

Aloha to all!!!

I'm looking around for a notebook...I'm no hardcore gamer, but i like to play the latest that make a buzz, even if just the first few levels...

Anyhow...can someone put all those mobile chips in perspective...as in from lowest to best performance??

Over at CNET i read this: "In 3D graphics tests, the Presario X1000 easily outperformed the Acer TravelMate 800, but it failed to challenge the Dell Latitude D800, which houses an Nvidia GeForce4 4200 Go with 64MB of video memory. Still, the Presario X1000 will satisfy everyone but the pickiest gamers."

http://reviews.cnet.com/Compaq_Presario_X1000/4505-3121_7-30422516-4.html?tag=review

I'm seriously considering the ZT3000 or the X1000 and both have the 9200, but I'm really surprised that the GF4 Go420 is FASTER??
and why is the X1000 so much faster than the Acer TravelMate 800 which uses the mobility radeon 9000 while the X1000 uses the mobility radeon 9200? arent they both the same except for the AGP8x interface?

So someone enlighten me...

which is faster....
ATI 9000(9200), GFX 5200, GF4 Go 420 and what kind of performance would i expect of these...


And i noticed this in an article on Tom's hardware:
The NVIDIA GeForce4 Go440 & NVIDIA GeForce4 Go460 ??!!! I NEVER saw them in a notebook configuration??!!
http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20020829/radeon9000-02.html

BTW..the 9600, 9700, 5600 and the 5700s are not found in ANY sub 6 lb notebooks, so they're not an option.

Thanks
 
I see...mmmm....i did some researching...

It seems there's the GF4 4200 Go based on the Ti 4200, and there's the GF4 420 based on the MX series....

And it seems the GF4 Go 4200 kicks the 9200 but...but i cant find ANY laptop using it??
 
Originally posted by oymd
I see...mmmm....i did some researching...

It seems there's the GF4 4200 Go based on the Ti 4200, and there's the GF4 420 based on the MX series....

And it seems the GF4 Go 4200 kicks the 9200 but...but i cant find ANY laptop using it??
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Yep, the GF4 4200 Go rocks and I don't know if any laptops use it anymore. I bought my Inspiron 8500 with one installed and it was discontinued a couple of months later.

The Mobility 9200 is faster than the FX 5200 Go: http://www.gamers-depot.com/hardware/video_cards/ati_vs_nvidia/9200_geforcefx/001.htm . The GF4 MX420 Go would be slower than either of those 2 because it uses a 64-bit memory bus. A regular GF4 440Go is between the 5200 Go and Mobility 9200, but the Mobility 9200 is better because it's a DX8 part.
 
You can get the IBM t41p with an ATI FireGL T-2 (this is the same as a mobility radeon 9600 with 128mb ram).

The t41p is ~5lbs, but pricey.
 
Originally posted by Xxenolith
This centrino based system weighs in at 6.1 pounds and has an ATi 9600 in it. Enjoy...

http://www.ibuypower.com/confirm/configurator-battalion-E-1.htm
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Even stripped (1.6GHz/512MB/40GB/8xDVDCD-RW), that's a pretty expensive laptop: $1480.

For that price, he can get an Inspiron 8600 with a 9600 Pro Turbo, 1.6GHz Pentium-M, 4x DVD burner, Office 2003 Basic and 54Mbps wireless, but from the system he's considering both are probably out of the price range he was looking at.
 
I went through the Dell 8600 configurator and got $2000. I used 1.6 P-M, 9600 pro, 15.4 wsxga, office basic w/ money, XP Home, 40 GB HD, 512 RAM, 4xDVD, 1 year support. The Dell Inspiron 8600 weighs 6.9 lbs. Did I miss something?

He didn't mention a price limit in his initial post.
 
Just get an eMachines...ATI Radeon Mobility 9600...you'll be able to play any game out there for the next year and a half, maybe two years.
 
thanks guys for ALL your responses....

I was hoping to stay around the $1500.

I just dont get it....if the GF4 4200 Go was such a brilliant chipset...where the heck is it??

Or is the 5600 much better??

the closest Pentuim-M I could get within my budget and close to 6 lbs is the X1000, ZT3000 & M30 series Toshiba.

They ALL have either the 9200 or the 5200.

I know DELL 8600 is a good deal...but the inspiron dell is just UGLY and they're like CHEAP, even though i love my AXIM X 5.

I'm worried to go with 2nd tier manufacturers
 
Originally posted by Eric1285
Just get an eMachines...ATI Radeon Mobility 9600...you'll be able to play any game out there for the next year and a half, maybe two years.
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Yep, those are good too... assuming you can live with the 4200 spin hard drive. I think Best Buy has a 14 day trial period... take it out for a spin.
 
Originally posted by Xxenolith
I went through the Dell 8600 configurator and got $2000. I used 1.6 P-M, 9600 pro, 15.4 wsxga, office basic w/ money, XP Home, 40 GB HD, 512 RAM, 4xDVD, 1 year support. The Dell Inspiron 8600 weighs 6.9 lbs. Did I miss something?
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Small Business section, 1 year warranty. The 4x DVD burner is a free upgrade (so is the 40GB 5400RPM drive) and Office 2003 Basic is $39 more than the base WP Productivity Suite software package. It came out to about $1500 when I configured for the post I made above.
 
Originally posted by oymd
I just dont get it....if the GF4 4200 Go was such a brilliant chipset...where the heck is it??
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The "NV28M" was never really a true mobile chipset. It lacks the real power saving modes that the other model GF xxxx Go chipsets had ("PowerMizer"). The GF4 4200 Go was just a low voltage desktop NV28 (GF4 Ti) chip in a smaller package. It's not that laptops with a NV28M don't have power saving modes (lower power 2D mode and battery mode), but it's not as low power as true mobile graphics chipsets.

I estimated the power draw of the GF4 4200 Go many moons ago and came out that it used around 9W-10W for the core (at full speed) and a couple more watts for the memory and associated components on the graphics module. That's about 2-3x more power than Mobility 9000 chips. My estimate was based on: reduced clock speed (linear drop in power) and reduction in voltage (power drop is a function of voltage squared).

Or is the 5600 much better??
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Not really. :p At least it supports DX9, however slowly. The FX Go5650 isn't competitive with even the Mobility 9000/9200 in performance (except that it supports DX9 PS2.0/VS2.0), but the FX Go5700 is somewhat competitive with the Mobility 9700 and still seems to be MIA (tons of previews last year with benchmarks and slated for Q1'04 release). The FX Go5650 and Go5700 both use about 8W, slightly lower than the Mobility 9700 (~10W).
 
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