Mixed messages on new intel chips coming.

Grimlaking

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I see 6 core 12 thread and 8 core 16 thread cpu's coming. But the sockets.. damnit why another form factor.

If they want to kick AMD in the teeth they should see if they can make a 8 core 16 thread that will work on the existing socket for i7 - 7700k owners.
 

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Why?

Its like saying they should have made that vs FX CPUs too. You know, 8 slow cores since 2011.

LGA1151 you get up to 6C/12T.
LGA2066 you get up to 12C/24T with the quadchannel you need.
 

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The electrical connections found in the larger sockets are necessary to support the larger dies, extra cores, and memory channels. Not to mention, non-EX family Xeons will probably use the LGA2066 socket as well. Thus, it must support core counts beyond 12c/24t, which LGA1151 was never designed to do.

Not to mention, not using a single socket allows for market segmentation and cost reduction in certain segments. Higher pin counts go with additional trace paths. Again, you aren't going to get that out of LGA1151.
 
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I see 6 core 12 thread and 8 core 16 thread cpu's coming. But the sockets.. damnit why another form factor.

If they want to kick AMD in the teeth they should see if they can make a 8 core 16 thread that will work on the existing socket for i7 - 7700k owners.

Cause Intel loves your cash and they know you will give it to them no matter what. Welcome to the Intel tax and they have been doing that for quite some time since they need to make money on chipsets as well. On a very rare occasion they will toss you a bone and let you do a cpu swap, but it's rare.
 

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Cause Intel loves your cash and they know you will give it to them no matter what. Welcome to the Intel tax and they have been doing that for quite some time since they need to make money on chipsets as well. On a very rare occasion they will toss you a bone and let you do a cpu swap, but it's rare.

The chipset design is an integral part of advancing the CPU as well. AMD creates a lot of problems by sticking to the same socket for so many years. Not only that, but as I said those larger sockets are required to support those larger dies, higher power draw requirements and memory channels. Keep in mind that LGA 1151 is the true consumer offering and the HEDT offerings bridge the gap between the consumer and server parts. Those HEDT offerings are nothing more than repurposed server offerings any way. If you don't like the "Intel tax", you'd really hate having to buy LGA2066 boards for 4 core builds.
 

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Cause Intel loves your cash and they know you will give it to them no matter what. Welcome to the Intel tax and they have been doing that for quite some time since they need to make money on chipsets as well. On a very rare occasion they will toss you a bone and let you do a cpu swap, but it's rare.

People seem to buy new boards anyway due to the technology since. While an in place socket upgrade can be nice, its not really something people use. Even when they have the option. And if the electrical layout of a socket is holding it back, its not getting any better.

And as I recall, it wasn't Intel fooling people to buy a rebranded chipset so an unreleased chip would run better. That it obviously didn't.

Not to mention AMD have had quite a few socket walkthroughs lately. 5 mainstream sockets since 2011(AM3+, FM1, FM2, FM2+, AM4), while Intel had 3(LGA1155, LGA1150, LGA1151).
 
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Not to mention AMD have had quite a few socket walkthroughs lately. 5 mainstream sockets since 2011(AM3+, FM1, FM2, FM2+, AM4), while Intel had 3(LGA1155, LGA1150, LGA1151).

And there are 1 or 2 more to be released in the next year for the server and possibly 16C workstation platforms. With that said AMD should hold on to these sockets a little longer than Intel. However DDR5 will require new boards from AMD and Intel and none of the current platforms (or ones that will be out this year) support it.
 
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People seem to buy new boards anyway due to the technology since. While an in place socket upgrade can be nice, its not really something people use. Even when they have the option. And if the electrical layout of a socket is holding it back, its not getting any better.

And as I recall, it wasn't Intel fooling people to buy a rebranded chipset so an unreleased chip would run better. That it obviously didn't.

Not to mention AMD have had quite a few socket walkthroughs lately. 5 mainstream sockets since 2011(AM3+, FM1, FM2, FM2+, AM4), while Intel had 3(LGA1155, LGA1150, LGA1151).

Since AM3 for Intel there is LGA 1156, LGA 1567, LGA 1155, LGA 2011, LGA 1150, LGA 1151. Got to start at the same year if your going to use AM3 as AM3+ lets you distort it. These threads always pop up and bely your instance that most want to upgrade their motherboard after a couple years and what will they get.. they get to use Optane, Yay. Hell I came from AM3+ and I got a few new things but for the most part I dont care, biggest thing was the newer PCI spec and NVME. Most people running a Kaby Lake right now will get basically nothing out of that motherboard upgrade.
 

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Since AM3 for Intel there is LGA 1156, LGA 1567, LGA 1155, LGA 2011, LGA 1150, LGA 1151. Got to start at the same year if your going to use AM3 as AM3+ lets you distort it. These threads always pop up and bely your instance that most want to upgrade their motherboard after a couple years and what will they get.. they get to use Optane, Yay. Hell I came from AM3+ and I got a few new things but for the most part I dont care, biggest thing was the newer PCI spec and NVME. Most people running a Kaby Lake right now will get basically nothing out of that motherboard upgrade.

Most people running Kaby Lake aren't going to upgrade from Z270 to a X299..but if they did, they will get quad channel RAM and support for 40 PCIe lanes rather than 20.
 

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Since AM3 for Intel there is LGA 1156, LGA 1567, LGA 1155, LGA 2011, LGA 1150, LGA 1151. Got to start at the same year if your going to use AM3 as AM3+ lets you distort it. These threads always pop up and bely your instance that most want to upgrade their motherboard after a couple years and what will they get.. they get to use Optane, Yay. Hell I came from AM3+ and I got a few new things but for the most part I dont care, biggest thing was the newer PCI spec and NVME. Most people running a Kaby Lake right now will get basically nothing out of that motherboard upgrade.

If you want to use HEDT, remember the 2 sockets for AMD as well. Its not AM3+ there. And you left out all the APU sockets.
 
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