You could always disable SLI if it bothered you enough in a game. Although then your framerates would drop. I've never noticed Micro stuttering.
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Microstuttering?
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You could always disable SLI if it bothered you enough in a game. Although then your framerates would drop. I've never noticed Micro stuttering.
Apallohadas
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You're the one bitching about it, so yes you do have to back it up.
Now you have to read your own link next time.
Your "stuttering" even occurs on single cards.
Perception is something else ain't it?
Wow you're very insulting. Did you even look at the graph and see what the link said?
"The Multi-GPU "Variance" is much greater than that of the Single GPU solution. The greater the difference from one variance to the next, the greater the stutter. The difference between the average variance and the variance at any one frame is the phenomina of microstuttering.
Microstuttering can make playing what fraps is calling a 60fps game feel identical to playing a 30 fps game (literally, this is a potential true case mathmatically). "
Now, by definition you can't "see" microstuttering as stuttering. If you could "see" it, it wouldn't be called "micro" now would it.
The way microstuttering manifests itself is that you have FRAPS or whatever telling you you're playing at, say, 30fps, when in reality the game is effectively playing at 15fps.
If you have noticeable "stutters" in a game, thats not microstuttering, thats a different issue.
Although I'm still not saying I trust that source, I'd like to see testing from a more reliable source. As personally I've experienced what I'd call microstutter even on my single GPU system (FRAPS is telling me 30fps, but it feels far worse).
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You dont buy 2 cards because you dont feel the need. You dont use "microstutter" as the excuse to not buy 2 cards. That was my point.
Never saw microstutter when running 7900gtx sli, x1950xtx CF, 8800gtx sli, or my 8800ultra rig. I go through rigs pretty quick, and have never seen these so called "microstutter issues." I did skip the 9 series...and I did hear that the 3870x2, 9800gx2, 3870cf, 8800g92 sli, and 9800gtx sli had microstutter issues.
Apallohadas
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Stay out of it if you're not going to read back through the history of the exchange.
Nowhere in your post did you say or bring anything new to the discussion nor to the exchange between myself and gumby.
Belgain Roffles
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I can create microstutter on my 9800gtx sli.
I don't normally see it, as sub-60fps is well below tolerable, and that is the only real range to notice microstutter.
I've read this whole thread, your "exchange" involves one line of asking for proof, which was provided, then your other 3 posts in this thread invlove you dishing out insults. Classy, very classy.
Well this is what I was attempting to bring to the discussion... you said "Your "stuttering" even on single cards." Yet you fail to read the post which was linked to, either that or fail to comprehend the graph. Lets look at it again:
That looks like a pretty big difference to me. The yellow line, whilst having a higher framerate, is clearly microstuttering enough to EFFECTIVELY give a worse gameplay. The green line, yep, has microstuttering, not every frame is rendered with the same delay, but its no where near that of the multicard set up.
The only thing I'd need for proof is more testing of the same on different systems and different games. To me its not about a visible stutter, its about a game playing worse than the framerate is actually telling you. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing its called "microstutter" because you can't actually see the stutter itself, otherwise it'd be called "macrostutter". Its not the stutter itself you see, what you should see is an effective framerate lower than it should be.
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I swear the retards come out in droves.
Here's classy Mr. "read the exchange"
My first post:
Your first post to me:
Since that was our first interaction, you're judging me based on this kid's first response to me:
1) he's asking me to prove a negative. If you or he have half a brain, you know that's like saying "prove dragons didn't exist." You don't prove a negative in an argument.
2) his "sit down" comment is fitting, if you're in grade school and your mom still packs your lunch.
3) he came to me with a shitty attitude, so I gave it back. Immediately after was when you threw in your 2 cents calling ME insulting.
Again, stay out of it if you can't read. Now I am annoyed because if there's 1 thing I've noticed, is that video card fanbois are the most annoying 'know-it-alls' on the forum.
Far worse than the 'linux makes your e-peen large' crowd.
I must thank you for AGAIN re-hashing the same thing said in several posts, yet the fact is that the issue is being over-hyped. Your massive variance is only noticeable below certain fps or once the variations become significantly large enough to be seen more readily.
If your FPS is dropping that low where stuttering is completely crippling you, your system, your mother, or your yoga guru, and you're not bright enough to change the config setting or rig config, then microstuttering is the least of your worries.
Here's classy Mr. "read the exchange"
My first post:
Your first post to me:
Since that was our first interaction, you're judging me based on this kid's first response to me:
1) he's asking me to prove a negative. If you or he have half a brain, you know that's like saying "prove dragons didn't exist." You don't prove a negative in an argument.
2) his "sit down" comment is fitting, if you're in grade school and your mom still packs your lunch.
3) he came to me with a shitty attitude, so I gave it back. Immediately after was when you threw in your 2 cents calling ME insulting.
Again, stay out of it if you can't read. Now I am annoyed because if there's 1 thing I've noticed, is that video card fanbois are the most annoying 'know-it-alls' on the forum.
Far worse than the 'linux makes your e-peen large' crowd.
I must thank you for AGAIN re-hashing the same thing said in several posts, yet the fact is that the issue is being over-hyped. Your massive variance is only noticeable below certain fps or once the variations become significantly large enough to be seen more readily.
If your FPS is dropping that low where stuttering is completely crippling you, your system, your mother, or your yoga guru, and you're not bright enough to change the config setting or rig config, then microstuttering is the least of your worries.
The people who believe in microstuttering are the same ones who believe in Big Foot, The Lochness Monster, Aliens, Santa Claus and Jesus.
Hey now.
I believe in aliens. Don't lump me in with the rest of these freaks.
I just don't think that they're here...
Belgain Roffles
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Hardocp reviewers seem to love playing at sub-30fps...
I can't see how anyone can tolerate it though, much less actually play for a long period of time at those settings.
I agree the sub 30fps, hell the sub 50 fps optimal game play guarantee being thrown around is annoying. Actually the worst is playing when the FPS is in the 40's at least to my eye. Not sure why exactly, maybe because the 40's range isn't divisible by the film or NTSC standard.
Wait for the final cards and professional / user evaluations to gauge how bad or even if microstutter exists. Until then you guys are just slinging shit at each other.
Wait for the final cards and professional / user evaluations to gauge how bad or even if microstutter exists. Until then you guys are just slinging shit at each other.