Microsoft Says Intel Is Wrong About Windows 8

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It would seem Microsoft is more than a little peeved over this statement made by an Intel executive, the company called it "factually inaccurate."

"There will be four Windows 8 SoCs for ARM. Each one will run for that specific ARM environment, and they will run new applications or cloud-based applications....They are neither forward- nor backward-compatible between their own architecture – different generations of a single vendor – nor are they compatible across different vendors. Each one is a unique stack."
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This should be interesting. Incompatibility would indeed force us into the clouds and that wouldn't sit well with a lot of us I think. Let's hope Intel was factually inaccurate about cross-platform and backwards compatibility.

In before someone says Steven Sinofsky shares the same characteristics as Steve Jobs.
 
Yeah I was kind of wondering about this. Intel also mentioned something called "Windows 7" Mode for x86 Windows 8. Microsoft is being exceptionally tight-lipped about Windows 8 at this point. September is going to be a VERY interesting month.
 
Interesting how he said that she was wrong, but he couldn't provide any further details as to why she is wrong...so what she said was correct then.
 
heatlesssun said:
Yeah I was kind of wondering about this. Intel also mentioned something called "Windows 7" Mode for x86 Windows 8. Microsoft is being exceptionally tight-lipped about Windows 8 at this point. September is going to be a VERY interesting month.
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well doesn't win 7 have an xp mode... same type of thing
 
Outamyhead said:
Interesting how he said that she was wrong, but he couldn't provide any further details as to why she is wrong...so what she said was correct then.
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How did you come to that conclusion? He said "she's wrong. I'll tell you about it when it's ready". He's not ready to talk about it probably due to NDA.
 
ripken204 said:
well doesn't win 7 have an xp mode... same type of thing
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Yes, but that implies a VERY big break in backwards compatibility at a low level in Windows 8. 8 is looking to be the most profound change to Windows ever.
 
tech is an intriguing time...

for over the last 10 years, the tech industry and media keep publishing self-induced "theories" of how various things are there to arrive at how everything align itself.

So fast forward to now, we are not saying those "theories" are wrong, but current development offers a chance for everybody to understand certain "concepts" to the test of time.

For example, we have the concept of Software legacy support. (Sometimes it is wise to remember while a lot of people have valid concern of software legacy, you have to ask where were those people when tech transition from Mainframe to Mini-computer, from Mini-computer to PC-server. From Unix PARISC/Alpha/MIPS/Sparc workstation to Xeon Stations, from X to Y. we do not have records but there ought to be a lot of people with similar worry.)

Again this is a neutral observation. So instead of claims, we now again have choices. Last time it happened, NT 4 has x86/Alpha/MIPS, but x86 persisted. This time x86/ARM, we again have an observation pending. Intel still has strong manufacturing, so it has published. Instead of Apple on the brink, now we have Google and Apple in dual-path. HP in the middle of all path, PC alliance to morph to next wave. Whereas we have Intel with AMD, Cyrix, VIA, HP, Sun, SGI, DEC, PowerPC, now we have again Intel, AMD, Global ARM alliance, MIPS Alliance from the West and East, Foundries challenges from TSMC, GF, Samsung and probably a few more. And this time the new entry is initiated from the mobile industry from phone, gaming, digital devices of too many types to list.

We get to see, instead of claim, the test of software legacy in the interesting time. We try to apply sensibility and reasons. For things that last, it will last, for things that won't, it will not. All users get chance to see, and understand.

We also get to see, how idea, opinions, practices bounce of each other to circulate and take shape to form from nothing into something you can feel and touch.

In this process, we understand how things spark!, consolidate, form, materialize, blossom, radiate, decay, dissolve, to understand the flow of IT, and the flow of life...

And then there are things that seldom change, a la MS-SQL, Oracle DB, IBM-DB2...as you know.

Cheers
 
Meh, why buy ARM for Win8 when you can buy x86 Medfield for Win8 and not have to deal with any of this stuff. The only people who want ARM don't care about compatibility anyway.
 
niconx said:
Meh, why buy ARM for Win8 when you can buy x86 Medfield for Win8 and not have to deal with any of this stuff. The only people who want ARM don't care about compatibility anyway.
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Two reasons, battery life. Current Windows tablets are criticized bitterly over this issue. If Intel can get close too ARM power efficiency with x86 then ARM becomes almost irrelevant from a Windows perspective but at Microsoft had no choice in the matter at this time for tablets since they decided not to put Windows Phone on slates.
 
heatlesssun said:
Two reasons, battery life. Current Windows tablets are criticized bitterly over this issue. If Intel can get close too ARM power efficiency with x86 then ARM becomes almost irrelevant from a Windows perspective but at Microsoft had no choice in the matter at this time for tablets since they decided not to put Windows Phone on slates.
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According to Intel battery life is just as good on Medfield as it is on ARM: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4345/...-architecture-group-14nm-airmont-atom-in-2014

So yes that means ARM is irrelevant :p
 
^ note that is 32nm, then the 22nm Airfield with FinFET (aka 3D Trigate) will come out next and use significantly less power than Medfield.
 
MS has said its next OS will be x64 only. end of story. Which is ABOUT time.
 
lightp2 said:
tech is an intriguing time...

for over the last 10 years, the tech industry and media keep publishing self-induced "theories" of how various things are there to arrive at how everything align itself.

So fast forward to now, we are not saying those "theories" are wrong, but current development offers a chance for everybody to understand certain "concepts" to the test of time.

For example, we have the concept of Software legacy support. (Sometimes it is wise to remember while a lot of people have valid concern of software legacy, you have to ask where were those people when tech transition from Mainframe to Mini-computer, from Mini-computer to PC-server. From Unix PARISC/Alpha/MIPS/Sparc workstation to Xeon Stations, from X to Y. we do not have records but there ought to be a lot of people with similar worry.)

Again this is a neutral observation. So instead of claims, we now again have choices. Last time it happened, NT 4 has x86/Alpha/MIPS, but x86 persisted. This time x86/ARM, we again have an observation pending. Intel still has strong manufacturing, so it has published. Instead of Apple on the brink, now we have Google and Apple in dual-path. HP in the middle of all path, PC alliance to morph to next wave. Whereas we have Intel with AMD, Cyrix, VIA, HP, Sun, SGI, DEC, PowerPC, now we have again Intel, AMD, Global ARM alliance, MIPS Alliance from the West and East, Foundries challenges from TSMC, GF, Samsung and probably a few more. And this time the new entry is initiated from the mobile industry from phone, gaming, digital devices of too many types to list.

We get to see, instead of claim, the test of software legacy in the interesting time. We try to apply sensibility and reasons. For things that last, it will last, for things that won't, it will not. All users get chance to see, and understand.

We also get to see, how idea, opinions, practices bounce of each other to circulate and take shape to form from nothing into something you can feel and touch.

In this process, we understand how things spark!, consolidate, form, materialize, blossom, radiate, decay, dissolve, to understand the flow of IT, and the flow of life...

And then there are things that seldom change, a la MS-SQL, Oracle DB, IBM-DB2...as you know.

Cheers
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WTF???
 
Azhar said:
Perhaps, but a lot of tablet manufacturers are making tablets with ARM and I'm sure Microsoft wants a slice of that market like Android and iOS does.

Intel's Atom isn't getting the attention ARM is getting lately.
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Yeah, Microsoft has experience with the ARM architecture so they can get in on the tablet action fairly quickly using the existing devices. Hopefully Win 8 lives up to the hype. I just bought a Xoom but I'd probably switch to a Win 8 device running x86 when the ones running that Medfield or successor platform are available. Of course, if it doesn't suck. This will be interesting.

/usr/home said:
WTF???
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LOL
 
dudewth said:
He was pointing out that x64 is a subset of 64-bit and ARM 64-bit is something different entirely.
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I think what it means is that there is lots of rumor that Win8 is 64 bit, that means you will need a 64bit ARM CPU in order to run Win8 on ARM. Though I think that 64bit requirement is probably limited to x86-64 and not ARM64. I can't seem to find any official facts about it.
 
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