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MB compatible with Conroe?

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well guys? any info on this yet? Is it possible to purchase a MB that i KNOW will be compatible with Conroe?? Honestly, I want to buy something since my desktop completely died. I would like to buy the cheapest 6xx series proc and just upgrade to conroe later.

anyone know if there are any confirmed MBs that will work?
 
965 chipset?? any info on that? what MBs are based on that?? is this confirmed??

lol thanks, i dont usually ask so many questions, im just so confused over the whole conroe/MB issue
 
965 boards arent out yet. Apparently it will support ICH8, intel's new southbridge.
 
Basically, at this point, anyone who claims Conroe support is probably full of crap. We saw this with the Socket 478 Prescotts, and a lot of people were disappointed by false claims.
 
I'm going to be extremely angry if there's another socket revision or whatever for Conroe. The Asus 975x board that I'm planning to get shortly to replace my dying rig, which is top of the line, should damn well run a CPU that is coming out in less than 6 months! Intel has to stop with this shit! :mad:
 
All current motherboards and chipsets are designed for the Pentium 4 Netburst architecture.

Conroe is throwing all of that away, its an entirely different architecture, entirely different cpu. You'd be stupid to think that any chipset currently on the market would be compatible even if it still uses the LGA775 socket.
 
Menelmarar said:
All current motherboards and chipsets are designed for the Pentium 4 Netburst architecture.

Conroe is throwing all of that away, its an entirely different architecture, entirely different cpu. You'd be stupid to think that any chipset currently on the market would be compatible even if it still uses the LGA775 socket.
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The chipset DOES support it, I've seen and used Conroe on pre-production Intel 975x boards, it is also the same socket. Now... this is what I have been saying, it seems like the board manufactures are not setting up their boards for it at this time, looks like a hardware and bios fix is needed. I still think you'll see 975 with conroe support, just not until near the release. Also you have to understand that they have not had the conroe samples, I'm assuming here, to properly validate the hardware so that could be the reason that they are not saying that it'll support conroe.
 
Menelmarar said:
All current motherboards and chipsets are designed for the Pentium 4 Netburst architecture.

Conroe is throwing all of that away, its an entirely different architecture, entirely different cpu. You'd be stupid to think that any chipset currently on the market would be compatible even if it still uses the LGA775 socket.
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kinda doesn't make sense, seeing as how ASUS made Pentium Ms work on the 865 chipsets.
 
Menelmarar said:
All current motherboards and chipsets are designed for the Pentium 4 Netburst architecture.

Conroe is throwing all of that away, its an entirely different architecture, entirely different cpu. You'd be stupid to think that any chipset currently on the market would be compatible even if it still uses the LGA775 socket.
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The cpu's internal architecture matters very little in this case, since Conroe will talk to the chipset the same way as a P4. Pentium M, Core Duo, P4, and Conroe have that 4x FSB.
 
Rumers are i965 will have some improovments, and the bus speed of Conroe is not certain. Most say 1060, but it has been said all will be 1333. The i975 may work with bios update, or a board revision.

Intel's partners have cpus now. I hope solid info will be released by someone, not just the enquirer gossip.
 
It would be really angering if the "value" version of the 975x I'm planning on purchasing (965) would support Conroe and my premium board doesn't :p
 
xonik said:
Basically, at this point, anyone who claims Conroe support is probably full of crap. We saw this with the Socket 478 Prescotts, and a lot of people were disappointed by false claims.
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But that was easy, some boards did have the correct FMB support and does support Socket 478 Prescott. Prescott did better with more pins though.

I say again, there are rumors of a "i975XBX or XE" that would support Plain Conroe but not the 1333XE model.

BUT, and that's a very big but, just as many of us already know, the shipping product can and many times do change. I'm not sure if anyone wanted Connie to fit Retail i975 as much as I did.
 
steviep said:
It would be really angering if the "value" version of the 975x I'm planning on purchasing (965) would support Conroe and my premium board doesn't :p
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Almost, by the time i965 ships, it will be more advanced than i975=P It has a little more than ICH8 also. If left as is and not updated, i975 will become the "value" model.
 
That really sucks. That's the one major thing I absolutely DESPISE about Intel (they need to take a page from S754 or S939's book). Why can't I buy a motherboard knowing that it will last me more than 6 months? :mad: I'm one of those people who overhaul their computer once every 3 years, NOT upgrade piece by piece every year. In the past, this was quite easy. Now, I won't even be able to put a Conroe in the new 975x I plan to purchase in a week :mad:
 
steviep said:
That really sucks. That's the one major thing I absolutely DESPISE about Intel (they need to take a page from S754 or S939's book). Why can't I buy a motherboard knowing that it will last me more than 6 months? :mad: I'm one of those people who overhaul their computer once every 3 years, NOT upgrade piece by piece every year. In the past, this was quite easy. Now, I won't even be able to put a Conroe in the new 975x I plan to purchase in a week :mad:
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Your post doesn't make sense. You say that you don't upgrade peice by peice and that instead you overhaul every 3 years. Then your 975x motherboard that your buying in a week you will be using for 3 years. Sounds like a good plan to me.......so what is the problem?

I have no problem, because I upgrade only once every major generation. Pentium 4 lasted too long though. I didn't jump into the Pentium 4's until late, when the northwoods came out because of the dismal performance on the willemettes. And the prescotts have been disappointing. Cedar mill looks nice but with conroe around the corner, being a whole new generation, I can't see buying an upgrade yet when there's not a game out that I can't run at acceptable levels of detail.

When Conroe is released and prices stabilize (I imagine they'll be expensive at first), I'll buy the best mobo on the market, that matches the cpu. Simple as that, which will be my system for 3-4 years depending on how fast the processor market scales.
 
My post does make sense, though... I don't like to do major upgrades, but I want to have the ability to do minor upgrades!

It would be nice if I could get my Pentium D 940 and 975x shortly, which I am planning to do since my current rig is dying... and then 1.5 years down the line to be able to upgrade that 940 to one of the Conroes... understand what I'm saying? I don't want to have to do a complete motherboard replacement when I want to upgrade the CPU, which can bring in even more issues (ram not being compatible, less IDE ports, less PCI slots, etc). That's just ridiculous, and that's really what has been angereing me about following intel lately. They've been using the same damn socket for so long, which is great in premise... but every single time they bring out a new CPU, there are a LOT of people who DO have motherboards with that same socket, that are left in the dust in terms of compatibility. I think that's complete bullshit.
 
steviep said:
[...] I'm one of those people who overhaul their computer once every 3 years, NOT upgrade piece by piece every year. [...]
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steviep said:
[...]I don't like to do major upgrades, but I want to have the ability to do minor upgrades![...]
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You still don't seem to be getting what I'm saying, and that's fine since I'm not making myself clear enough.

I would like to be able to install a part here and there every year, and would like the ability to upgrade a CPU a couple years down the line... but I don't want to be replacing the major components to do so! Motherboard being the major lifeblood component of any computer, something I don't want to be replacing every single time I want a new CPU. That is something I could do in the past, and I wish it was something I could do in the future. Unfortunately, for every CPU revision Intel releases, people have to go out and buy new motherboards, despite the fact that it could be the same damn socket. And I find that an irresponsable, money grub of a strategy. Do you honestly think that Intel couldn't make Conroe work on the 975x board I'm planning on grabbing? Poncho can tell you that they work on 975x boards. However, when Conroe goes retail, we're all going to need to buy new boards if we want it. As I said, I find that to be complete bullshit.
 
cpu - central processing unit. It is what I consider the most major component. You look at most companies and this is what they advertise as the primary spec usually as well. And when I goto upgrade this component it is usually to a newer one with newer features that older motherboards are unaware of. P3 -> P4 was last upgrade for instance. OR 400mhz bus to 533 to 800mhz within p4 line. Speed ratings of the bus changed just like the speed rating of the cpu you were trying to upgrade....

Thinking of the motherboard as the major component is a bit usual to me I guess. I guess since its the physically largest...makes sense.

Hard to imagine how they would design a motherboard for forward compatibility. Most companies don't do this because of the difficulty of guessing what your next product is going to exactly be...IF they had the next product ready and finished they would just go ahead and ship it, lol!!
 
I'm not necessarily pegging it on mobo manufacturers more than I am pegging it on Intel. It's the same damn socket... make it worth with motherboards that also accept that same damn socket :p
 
steviep said:
I'm not necessarily pegging it on mobo manufacturers more than I am pegging it on Intel. It's the same damn socket... make it worth with motherboards that also accept that same damn socket :p
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As soon as you tell them to be able to tell the future and know how to make the chipset work with a product that hasn't been designed, or hasn't finished being designed.

Or on the otherhand. Would it be different if every new FSB speed for the past Pentium 4's had different sockets? This would solve your compliaint of every motherboard with the same socket being able to support all CPU's. But then they can't mass produce the sockets as much becaus of constantly changing design and you start to have to pay more for motherboards because the sockets aren't as inexpensive....

Always a trade-off.
 
Take a look at AMD's S754 or S939 and how many CPUs and subsequent revisions they supported, even if a bios update was necessary sometimes.
 
steviep said:
I'm not necessarily pegging it on mobo manufacturers more than I am pegging it on Intel. It's the same damn socket... make it worth with motherboards that also accept that same damn socket :p
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Conroe on 975 is an interesting thing. Yes, it does work on 975 but due to the time constraints (I assume) there is a difficulty on getting it validated in time. Conroe was just recently released for validation... around the same time that motherboard manufacturers had released their 975 boards. There were a few hardware changes needed to get Conroe to work, though now it would seem that those changes (their pretty minor) were not incorporated in the initial run of boards. Does that mean that those changes won't be put into place? Not at all.... it's just up to the motherboard manufactures to validate it. Think of it like Pentium M in desktop boards with the use of an adapter. Intel didn't "approve" of it.... but the builders did. I would expect conroe to be the same. But it might not end up working.... and I've said this all along. Don't pin all of this on intel. If the market would allow a 2 year design cycle then you could get away with a lot more.... but they don't.
 
Why all the confusion? Why can't it just... work?? lol
Tell them to design the CPUs so they just... WORK! Got socket 775? Great! Plug it in... and it works!! Arghhh...
 
steviep said:
Why all the confusion? Why can't it just... work?? lol
Tell them to design the CPUs so they just... WORK! Got socket 775? Great! Plug it in... and it works!! Arghhh...
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Lack of integrated northbridge and reliance on outdated technology
 
Well isn't that a nice, fan-boyish type answer? lol
I wouldn't purchase an AMD system right now either, thanks to its reliance on outdated technology like DDR1! Even if they do have the right idea with an integrated memory controller. That will all change later this year with AM2, but again, I'm stuck with a 6-month upgrade cap. This is NOT what I want! I miss the good old days... where I can have a motherboard as the basis of my system for far longer than a few months.
 
steviep said:
Well isn't that a nice, fan-boyish type answer? lol
I wouldn't purchase an AMD system right now either, thanks to its reliance on outdated technology like DDR1! Even if they do have the right idea with an integrated memory controller. That will all change later this year with AM2, but again, I'm stuck with a 6-month upgrade cap. This is NOT what I want! I miss the good old days... where I can have a motherboard as the basis of my system for far longer than a few months.
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If it means anything to ya'. I agree with you and feel the same friggen way. I'm use to having multiple computers and still would love to replace my i875. I put it off. It is not the i975 thing but i925, i925X and i925XE, then i955X an i975. I lift out i915 and i945 on purpose. That's way tooooo many in that short of a time. Now I defended the hell out of Intel and many of the guys here said I was Intel biased last year. My jumpping them now is NOT without good reason.

I hope I'm wrong and Conroe works on i975. I'm just not willing to switch out mobo and proc again. I would love to do 920 and with an Idea to replace it with Conroe by Thanksgiving or so.
 
The 975 is infact suppose to work with the conroe Cpu but a bios update will probably be needed. There seems to be a problem with the power regulators between the P4's and conroe . So there's a good chance that the 965 will be required. Dam intel . But I do see why the power requirements would be differant but that being said . P4 should require much more power than Conroe so that A bios update may be all that is required for the 975 chipset to work. :confused:
 
I'd hope so. I just purchased the Asus P5WD2-E Premium 975x board, and a 930 with the intention of replacing the 930 with a conroe later this year. If I have to replace my mobo for it, as soon as AMD releases the K10 in 2008, I will never go back to Intel again :mad: I won't be paying for AMD's outed technology either, though, so I can wait till K10 to stick it to Intel for changing mobos every few months :p
 
steviep said:
I'd hope so. I just purchased the Asus P5WD2-E Premium 975x board, and a 930 with the intention of replacing the 930 with a conroe later this year. If I have to replace my mobo for it, as soon as AMD releases the K10 in 2008, I will never go back to Intel again :mad: I won't be paying for AMD's outed technology either, though, so I can wait till K10 to stick it to Intel for changing mobos every few months :p
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Dang, I agree again, hehehe! EOL (End of Life) products are the same=P Doesn't make a hill of beans difference if that part is made by Intel or AMD.

I think it was a story at Digitimes where even Intel complianed about its own Chipset snafu's or problems. Intel has almost NEVER made Chipsets to Processors at an 1 to 1 Ratio, they were never equipped to do so.

I just hope the K10 is something NEW and not the same old Modded Tweaked Expensive 1999 technology. Better tech to me means more affordable to me and MORE profitable for AMD.
 
The only reason I bought the 930 is to hold me over. I'm getting tired of my 4 year old system (P3 1.3ghz) and need something to tide me over. I would've bought a cheaper 945-based board to save me dough, but I figured that it was a complete waste of money to buy a motherboard I plan on scrapping later this year. So, I took a chance and grabbed the 975x in the hopes that Conroe will indeed work. As I said, if it doesn't, K10 here I come. I will NOT invest in a K8... especially now, with AM2 coming later this year. AMD's may beat Intel's clock-for-clock, specifically in gaming (which I don't care THAT much about) but the tech they are using now (the motherboards especially) is way too outdated for me to invest in them. Conroe looks on track to hand a spanking to AMD's K8, but again... if I have to get a new motherboard AGAIN, Intel won't see a penny of mine until they get their act together and stop releasing CPUs and motherboards 1:1.
 
Donnie27 said:
I just hope the K10 is something NEW and not the same old Modded Tweaked Expensive 1999 technology. Better tech to me means more affordable to me and MORE profitable for AMD.
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I'll never understand how you can call an AMD product more expensive than a comparable Intel product. You do it often, too.

That aside, Intel has too been selling the same old Modded Tweaked expensive 2001 technology. Do the extra two years make it acceptable?
 
Why are we taking about K 1O Do you have links to its species or when it taps out the fist time. I don't want to dicuss how i got pissed off at intel because I might of made a bade dision . Than cutting down Intel and talking about howl screw them and wait K-theres no info on. ( which makes it flame bait)
 
robberbaron said:
I'll never understand how you can call an AMD product more expensive than a comparable Intel product. You do it often, too.

That aside, Intel has too been selling the same old Modded Tweaked expensive 2001 technology. Do the extra two years make it acceptable?
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Easy, Hammers have NEVER really been that frackin' cheap=P AthlonXP days have been lone gone. I bought a 3500+ after the price dropped from a high of $329 and after the Revsion E fixes. So you're phuggin A right I think they are expensive. No, I think MY a 3500+ rocks for Games but there's NO WAY in hell do I think it is equal to a 3.5GHz P4 in other areas. Hell, my 2.6C kicks its ass in many Multi-Media apps with a slower HDD;
Seagate 160 SATA-1 vs. WD 250GB SATA II
and half as much RAM;
1GB of PC 4000 vs. 512MB of PC-3500

Easy Part #2. X2 is expensive as hell as well. Better? Too a point. What the hell does it matter that I see folks pull some strange comparos. Most folks buy from the MIDDLE of both company's Product lines, not the bottom and damned sure not the Top.

oh yeah, P4 is on the way out LOL! Can AMD say the Same? The Hammer took almost too long to RAMP up, X2 as well. AMD/IBM had all kinds of problems with its process. Even as most AMD f@ns think they're cheap and plentyful, the rest of the market knows better.

Best of Dothan + Netburst is what comes next, not just another smaller modded K8+.
 
steviep said:
The only reason I bought the 930 is to hold me over. I'm getting tired of my 4 year old system (P3 1.3ghz) and need something to tide me over. I would've bought a cheaper 945-based board to save me dough, but I figured that it was a complete waste of money to buy a motherboard I plan on scrapping later this year. So, I took a chance and grabbed the 975x in the hopes that Conroe will indeed work. As I said, if it doesn't, K10 here I come. I will NOT invest in a K8... especially now, with AM2 coming later this year. AMD's may beat Intel's clock-for-clock, specifically in gaming (which I don't care THAT much about) but the tech they are using now (the motherboards especially) is way too outdated for me to invest in them. Conroe looks on track to hand a spanking to AMD's K8, but again... if I have to get a new motherboard AGAIN, Intel won't see a penny of mine until they get their act together and stop releasing CPUs and motherboards 1:1.
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Funny uh? AMD trashes Intel on Sc-775 and then copies it LOL!

I almost did the same thing but mine was meant mainly for Games. Plus I already had 1GB of DDR PC-4000. I like having both AMD and Intel systems. I'll make do with my 2.6C a little longer. I don't agree with the Band X only folks simply because NO company has the market cornered=P OTOH, more power to you if you do what I don't care for, it's YOUR money. I or NO ONE has the right to knock anyone for or on how they spend their money. It seems this bothers AMD F@ns more than Intel ones.

I believe in patting either of them on the back when I think they did good or trashing them when they did something I think sucks! That's what message boards use to be about. The whole AMD is good and Intel is evil is pure BS! I don't go along with some of the BS said about AMD.

I once talked to this guy when others were flaming him. He said, maybe Intel is a little slower because they go for stability and compatiblity first. Meanwhile, AMD just goes balls to the walls to beat them at the expense of stability and needed help with compatibility. The AMD guys flamed him for a week. Comes to find out, the guy was an AMD Engineer (flash dept.) in Austin, sheesh! Oh and this was during the 1GHz Classic and TBird vs, the Cumine 1GHz. Yet, the same arguements rages on.
 
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