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Marvel's Spider-Man 2

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In any event, if they want better player numbers and sales, they need to port games to PC earlier, ideally simultanously with other platforms, and make both the games and the PC version high quality. Spider-Man 2
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I think pricing is the biggest issue...charging full price 2+ years later is not the right move...most of the Sony ports have been in pretty good shape...Spider-Man 2 and Last of Us: Part 1 is not the norm...the games that been released in fairly good to great shape like God of War Ragnarok and Horizon Forbidden West still didn't seem to sell all that well on PC
 
I am not sure if a mouse+keyboard like multiplayer shooter success like Helldivers 2 is a perfect 1:1 example for the made for TV-controller title.

It is trivial that an earlier release and better port (or cheaper) would sell more units, not sure that make it the best move for them, not so much that they get larger percentage of the sales if they are sold on the psstore than steam, but to not turn the playstation into an other Xbox. There is value in forcing people into buying an PS5, once they have one, the chance they buy their next games via the PS gamestore is much higher.

According to sony pc games sales (in revenues) were as of march 2022 of $60 millions for Horizon zero dawn and 22.7 for days gone, 26.2m for god of wars... (https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/irday/pdf/2022/GNS_E.pdf)

60 millions do sound quite good (the game with more time to sales), they seem to average $25 per sales for an old title, $27 for a more recent one.

If the sequel sold 75% of the first one (looking at all time peak players on steam), 175-180k units for 45 millions maybe ?

For already monetized game doing extra business late in their cycle, I do not know game sales, but that sound like it would be good.
 
They wouldn't sell so poorly if these games were released simultaneously on both platforms. This game has its own widely spread issues that probably tempered interest in it. On PS5 the game has sold half as many copies of the first game did on the PS4 alone.
 
Armenius said:
They wouldn't sell so poorly if these games were released simultaneously on both platforms. This game has its own widely spread issues that probably tempered interest in it. On PS5 the game has sold half as many copies of the first game did on the PS4 alone.
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That and the Marvel craze is dying down. The recent movies are kind of lame and I think people are tired of super hero stuff.
 
First patch:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2651280/view/500564506841186817

This update includes several crash fixes based on feedback from many of you and our crash reporting system. We really appreciate all of you helping us by providing information to make improvements.​
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This patch also adds menu toggles for Film Style Animation and Comic SFX, improvements to the way New Game+ can be started, and fixes for some visual bugs related to DLSS Ray Reconstruction and raytracing. We’ve also implemented a backup system for autosaves and fixed a range of UI related bugs.​
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Thanks to updates to Sony’s Crash Reporting System, we can now receive screenshots along with crash reports. This will give us additional insights into where issues occur frequently in the game. We are committed to improving your experience and continue to work on regular updates with more bug fixes, improvements and performance optimizations.​
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You may have given us feedback about something that is not included in this patch. We are aware of your reports and have posted a list of workarounds and troubleshooting steps for commonly reported issues.​
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Thanks again for playing Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 on PC!​
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Release Notes (v1.205.0.0)​

  • Various crash fixes based on player feedback and data from our crash reporting system.
  • Improvements to crash reporting with screenshot support.
  • Film Style Animation and Comic SFX can now be toggled via Settings > Game > Camera.*
  • User interface improvements to simplify starting a New Game+
  • Implemented autosave backups. At key points in the story the game will create a backup of the autosave slot.
  • Added mouse scrolling to the manual load/save menu.
  • Various improvements and bug fixes to the user interface.
  • Reduced noise in character hair when using DLSS Ray Reconstruction.
  • Enemies webbed to surfaces no longer have a black background when using ray-traced shadows and ray-traced ambient occlusion.
  • Fixed a bug related to ray-traced reflections that could cause pixelation artefacts along water edges.
  • Settings for Subtitle Text Size, Closed Caption Text Size, Icon and Prompt Size and Audio Listening Mode are no longer synchronized between different devices.**
*These options become available after obtaining the Across the Spider-Verse Suit.​
** As a result of this change, these settings will be reset to their defaults after you install this update.​
 
polonyc2 said:
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 PC Launches with Big Issues


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgshlYBpjqc
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A 7900 XTX, Very High settings, Ultimate RT settings at 4K, FSR 3.1 is getting over 100fps, no stutters, smooth frame times. Game is taking 18gb of vram, maybe a vram issue with the 5080 when using RT is causing the spikes in frame times and stutters. Plus much cleaner less noisy visuals while still having the usual FSR issues but looks to be very usable at least. Since game has FSR 3.1, it should be ready for using FSR 4 once the 9070 and 9070XT comes out. I would expect AMD hardware would have less issues initially since developed on AMD hardware, I don't have the game, but it looks like a RT title that will have no issue on my 7900XTX.


View: https://youtu.be/duce26AaIyc?si=yd1K4tlY3tDNz35k
 
noko said:
A 7900 XTX, Very High settings, Ultimate RT settings at 4K, FSR 3.1 is getting over 100fps, no stutters, smooth frame times. Game is taking 18gb of vram, maybe a vram issue with the 5080 when using RT is causing the spikes in frame times and stutters. Plus much cleaner less noisy visuals while still having the usual FSR issues but looks to be very usable at least. Since game has FSR 3.1, it should be ready for using FSR 4 once the 9070 and 9070XT comes out. I would expect AMD hardware would have less issues initially since developed on AMD hardware, I don't have the game, but it looks like a RT title that will have no issue on my 7900XTX.


View: https://youtu.be/duce26AaIyc?si=yd1K4tlY3tDNz35k
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Good to know they're patching it and even aside from the patching, its playing very well on 7900XTX with RT FSR 3.x I am curious how well it will do with an updated version on older GPUs (NV 3000 series, AMD 6000 series - which played Spider-Man Remastered/ Miles Morales well) as well as on newest and older GPUs alike without FSR / DLSS. In any event, its good to see its playable on AMD and that in all cases things are improving. While I understand that drive to review things on the newest NV 5000 series cards given their power, between the newness and possible driver issues and the fact this game was launched on PS5, it should be very performant on other hardware.

Edit: They'd be smart to not only update/fix the game, but start authorizing bigger discounts/sales to encourage people to buy and give the title a chance. Maybe they planned to wait longer since its new, but other Sony titles have gone on more aggressive sales and still did well despite not needing the uplift as much as they usually had some sort of Positive rating.
 
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Spider-Man 2 PC Patch 1.212.1.0

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2651280/view/576000532521418781?l=english

-Various crash fixes and stability improvements
-Temporarily removed Anti-Lag 2 to improve stability on AMD graphics cards
-Fixed a crash that could occur in the final Mysterio mission while wearing the Bodega Cat Suit
-Fixed a crash that could occur when closing the menu while an audio fragment is playing
-Improved adjustability of Mouse Sensitivity
-Improved screen space reflections
-Fixed a bug that could cause character eyes to appear darkened or flickering
-Nintendo Switch Pro controllers can now be used with Steam Input
-Resolved a New Game+ bug that stopped the prompt to pick up the Sleeping Dart in ‘The Flames Have Been Lit’ from working when using mouse and keyboard
-NVIDIA DLSS Ray Reconstruction can now be used at Native resolution and with Ultra Performance upscaling
-Fixed a bug that caused issues with XeGTAO when disabling Anti-Aliasing or enabling Ray Reconstruction
-Resolved a timing related bug that could cause the player to be positioned lower to the ground than intended during the Wind Tunnel tutorial
-Various user interface related bug fixes
-Various visual bug fixes
 
This would have been an instant buy for me normally… but I’m just drowning under newly purchased titles… some of which I’m actually playing!

I’m in Bohemia at present. Heh heh.
 
Patch 3:

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2651280/view/508447074436513916

Release Notes (1.218.0.0)​

  • Updated NVIDIA Streamline SDK to version 2.7.2.
  • Fixes for various visual bugs in cinematics on ultra-wide monitors.
  • Various visual bug fixes related to reflections.
  • Various visual bug fixes related to ray-traced shadows.
  • Various fixes for low quality texture assets.
  • Various user interface bug fixes and improvements
  • When opening the Suits menu, the list will now always scroll to the selected suit.
  • 'Pull' Quick Time Events now work when Space or Left Mouse Button are assigned to Jump or Dodge.
  • Fixed a crash that could occur during 'Graffiti in Trouble' with text language set to Spanish.
  • Various stability improvements and optimizations.
 
Patch 4 Release Notes

-Resolved a bug that caused mission trails to not appear on first playthrough for some players
-CPU and GPU performance optimizations related to raytracing
-Performance improvements in areas with sand
-Improved map navigation performance
-Settings for Brightness, Contrast and visual effects no longer reset when the game is restarted, or the time of day is changed
-Fixed a crash that could occur when quitting the game quickly after starting it
-Resolved a crash that could occur on quadcore processors when enabling raytracing
-Addressed a bug that caused ray-traced shadows of Symbiote Nests to persist after they were cleared
-Fixed a bug where ray-traced shadows caused excessive lighting in some cases
-Resolved a bug with ray-raced reflections that caused characters to appear darker when Ambient Occlusion was set to XeGTAO
-Fixed a bug where the mouse could get stuck in a dragging state when dragging a scroll bar
-The [Space] input in 'Press [Space] to continue' will no longer be replaced by the key mapped to 'Jump'
-Various crash fixes and stability improvements
-Various visual bug fixes related to ray-traced reflections
-Various fixes to ray-traced ambient occlusion and ray-traced shadows
-Various user interface bug fixes and improvements

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2651280/view/497189343402656156?l=english
 
I'm finally getting around to this and I find myself not really enjoying it like I expected. With them changing all of my gadgets to work off that separate meter (that also heals) I feel like I have a zillion tools the game doesn't want me to actually use. I'm able to do the standard parry, punch launcher, air combo, dodge, etc. stuff over and over but it kinda feels tedious. Every time I try to get fancy or try to use some gadgets, I'm out of juice and stuck using nothing but fundamentals until I can refill that damned meter again. Zipping around and doing non-combat stuff also seems to have 0 bearing on that meter, too. In the old games, I was looking for trouble and I enjoyed the hell out of the combat. Piling up big combos and feeling like a super hero. Now I avoid it because it feels even more tedious than the other tedious stuff. The story and plot portion is really good, but I'm finding the gameplay to be a drag. Performance is mostly fine, but I'm struggling to actually sit down and play this.
 
Domingo said:
I'm finally getting around to this and I find myself not really enjoying it like I expected. With them changing all of my gadgets to work off that separate meter (that also heals) I feel like I have a zillion tools the game doesn't want me to actually use. I'm able to do the standard parry, punch launcher, air combo, dodge, etc. stuff over and over but it kinda feels tedious. Every time I try to get fancy or try to use some gadgets, I'm out of juice and stuck using nothing but fundamentals until I can refill that damned meter again. Zipping around and doing non-combat stuff also seems to have 0 bearing on that meter, too. In the old games, I was looking for trouble and I enjoyed the hell out of the combat. Piling up big combos and feeling like a super hero. Now I avoid it because it feels even more tedious than the other tedious stuff. The story and plot portion is really good, but I'm finding the gameplay to be a drag. Performance is mostly fine, but I'm struggling to actually sit down and play this.
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I can't say for sure as I own but haven't played the proper version yet (Lets say I uh.."demoed the unofficial modded version" awhile back, before the official one came to PC. . Really it was quite impressive, but maybe there are differences in the official one, but the unofficial still would have been a more or less exact replica of the PS5's content at the time), but I THINK some of those issues may open up when you unlock some of the talent tree stuff. Gadgets (which I still remember as being separate?) and tthe healing/special-combo-attack meter are a bit hard to come by early on and you don't have the same flow capability as you did especially if you were playing Spider-Man Remastered or Miles Morales later in the game, but I think it gets better. The "talent tree" is more expansive and has branches that are both shared between characters and those that are exclusive to each one ; some things like boosting the energy meter or XP by doing tricks when flying/swinging, or other traversal and combat options are in those trees. Of course, certain abilities and other content are locked behind upgrading/unlocking new costumes just as in previous games, but those usually aren't the "core" abilities.

Maybe they changed enough stuff in ways you don't enjoy, but if your primary concern is those mechanics it may just be that they haven't expanded to giving you all the pieces yet given the larger scope in this regard.?
 
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I didn't have any issues enjoying combat when I played it on PS5. If anything I think the addition of powers really makes the combat enjoyable and interesting throughout. Especially when you unlock the second set of powers it is even more interesting. Can you post a pic of which gadget/tool refresh is causing you problems? I also thought that I was OP throughout the game on normal difficulty. Maybe there were some shield enemies that gave me grief but there is one gadget that makes quick work of them as well after a while.
 
It's possible I might just be trying to do too much too early, but I feel like I can pretty much never heal. I have a pile of powers and gadgets (3 for Peter, 4 for Miles) but they seem to take forever to refresh after using them and they don't seem to be actually doing that much damage. They also don't seem to be raising the little meter that lets me heal. In fact, almost nothing except parrying does anything to that meter. It's the one with 2 little bubbles below your health. In general, I'm thinking the game is wanting me to parry way, way more. Dodging works against gunfire, but it seems completely ineffective against flamethrowers, big dudes punching, Kraven guys swinging axes, the "dog" robots, etc. Basically anything that can kill me in like 2 hits. I feel like I'm permanently low in health because that heal meter is permanently low/empty in spite of my combo counts being at 50+. The only time I heal is when I gain levels. I think that's part of my problem. I'm forever low in health and I have no clue how to fix that.
 
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It's possible I might just be trying to do too much too early, but I feel like I can pretty much never heal. I have a pile of powers and gadgets (3 for Peter, 4 for Miles) but they seem to take forever to refresh after using them and they don't seem to be actually doing that much damage. They also don't seem to be raising the little meter that lets me heal. In fact, almost nothing except parrying does anything to that meter. It's the one with 2 little bubbles below your health. In general, I'm thinking the game is wanting me to parry way, way more. Dodging works against gunfire, but it seems completely ineffective against flamethrowers, big dudes punching, Kraven guys swinging axes, the "dog" robots, etc. Basically anything that can kill me in like 2 hits. I feel like I'm permanently low in health because that heal meter is permanently low/empty in spite of my combo counts being at 50+. The only time I heal is when I gain levels. I think that's part of my problem. I'm forever low in health and I have no clue how to fix that.
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Without an actual screenshot I would be hard pressed to help you as I played this game on release (which I think was 2023 Q4 or something).

My suggestion would be to:
- try playing with a controller (makes using powers a breeze)
- try doing some sides as you move along or also move along the story as you go as it gives you quite a bunch of XP
- try to parry a lot as it is required - the yellow attacks (if I remember correctly need to be parried which opens up for some beating)
- the red attacks you have to dodge so don’t get caught in those as they do most damage
- I also think one of the biggest upgrades to combat was that unlike 1 in this multiple enemies attack at once (it doesn’t suffer from ass creed or Spiderman 1 combat where enemies would wait before the other guys attack finishes); this makes combat harder and more fun in this one
- don’t get caught up in sword attacks - those also cause a lot of damage

Hope this helps. I will see if I can logon to my PS5 and understand what you are talking about as game is installed. Final point, combat is harder in this one. So you need to learn the momentum. But once you do boy does it satisfy you like no other. When I played it I gave it a 9.5/10 or something because I absolutely loved this game. So I am biased.
 
Okay, I'm getting more into the swing of things and I think my issues were a weird combination of being underpowered and timing. For a little while all of the random crimes around town were being committed by "the flame" gang. Those enemies were way stronger than anything else I've encountered and the game was throwing like 20 of them at me at once. The parry/dodge timing on their flamethrowing and Molotov throwing guys was tight, too. After getting a little further, the game just straight up replaced them entirely with Kraven's posse and things have been much easier. I've cleared all of the Mysterio missions and whatnot without much trouble. I have way more gadgets and powers that have multiple uses, too.

That said, I still find myself rarely ever able to heal. I have a lot of powers stacked that supposedly increase the healing meter quicker, but it's still dry most of the time. It matters less as I've gotten a larger health bar, but it does still matter.
 
...and now I've come to realize that the healing ability directly overlaps with the Y+B ability. It's what was always draining that meter. That's why I could never heal :p

Things finally really hit stride the further you get. As bad as the first 1/4 of the game was, the later sections have been pretty stellar. Better than anything in the first 2 titles. I think I'm pretty close to the end as I just hit max level and now have all the gadgets/upgrades/abilities.

If anyone ends up buying this and thinks the game is no good (I did), keep plugging away at the story missions. Don't bother with and side stuff until the story takes a pretty big turn. You'll know when it happens.
 
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