Mac OS X Leopard

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evs

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'm about to buy a Macook Pro, but I also know that Leopard is coming out soon, and there seems no point of me buying a Macbook Pro now, and then paying more for the upgrade.

Does anyone know when it is due?

I heard reumors that it might come out in the January Macworld expo, in time to compete with Vista.

Should I buy it now or wait?
 
"We meet again, Mr. Bond..." sorta... :)

I'd say get the MacBook Pro whenever you can. If you're holding off for Leopard, you could be looking at the 2nd quarter, possibly well into summer. I know they're coding away like mad in Cupertino, but I seriously doubt they can pull a rabbit outta the hat at this point and be ready to ship when MacWorld happens.

But who knows. Apple has been consistently tight lipped about such things before. Steve-o must offer bounties or something to keep the lips so tight; I've never encountered companies where leaks about future products (the new Shuffle, MacPro, etc etc) simply didn't happen.

Amazing stuff...

I think Leopard will be worth the cost based on how it's shaping up. And of course, as Steve-o said, there is a lot of stuff they haven't shown anyone yet... we'll see what happens.
 
good point. I really respect apple's ability to actually keep everything behind their doors without leaking it out to the public.

I'm a mac newbie, so how does the upgrading of OS versions work in Macs? is it hard? do i just buy the new one and stick it in?
 
Upgrading is easy.

Honestly, when 10.5 comes out, it'll probably cost around $130. Considering the full version of XP Pro cost somewhere around $270, thats a good deal. Plus OSX doesn't have activation or a few other annoying things that Windows has.
 
felix, you reckon they would release leopard at Macworld?
 
Also, you can get Mac OS X for like $30 with a student discount. Installing Mac OS X is really easy and doesn't take a lot of time. The only limiting factor is the speed of your DVD player.
 
evs said:
felix, you reckon they would release leopard at Macworld?
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it's all speculation and rumors right now. I'd personally appreciate a MacWorld release because that means a true intel planned OS on my MacBook and a nice performance increase sooner in the school year rather than later.
 
Arcygenical said:
No, it's for both Intel and PPC, but it was designed with Intel in mind.
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Yes, but not to a greater degree than Tiger was. The idea that Tiger is somehow unoptimized for Intel, or a quick port, is preposterous. Remember that NextStep, on which OS X is built, was available for x86 way back in the early 90s.
 
Well they had x86-capable versions of their OS's for years now, just never released to the public.

Isn't leopard a full UB release? IE, you don't need a diffferent CD for each arch?
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
Yes, but not to a greater degree than Tiger was. The idea that Tiger is somehow unoptimized for Intel, or a quick port, is preposterous. Remember that NextStep, on which OS X is built, was available for x86 way back in the early 90s.
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Arcygenical said:
Well they had x86-capable versions of their OS's for years now, just never released to the public.
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I was going to say the same thing. OSX has run on x86 long before it was available to us.
 
Ive never done an OS X upgrade, and so since Apple is magically wonderful when it comes to everything, will I have to back my stuff up and do a reformat or can it just overrwrite tiger?
 
3 ways to install

Format and install - self explanitory

Upgrade and Install - Upgrades the OS, leaves EVERYTHING unchanged

Archive and install - Saves ALL your documents/programs/settings into a backup folder on the root level drive, and re-installes the OS and programs etc. You can move all your old stuff from the backup folder to their old locations.


I recommend doing the third option, as upgrade installs arn't ALWAYS 100% problem free.

Apple has, IMO, the best re-install options... Very easy, and fairly fast too!
 
When I did my OS X upgrade from panther to tiger, I did option 3, also it's easiest and it was very quick to do.
 
Arcygenical said:
Isn't leopard a full UB release? IE, you don't need a diffferent CD for each arch?
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I doubt Leopard will be released on CD, but yeah, it'll most likely be a UB. I don't see why it wouldn't be.



Also, Archive & Install is awesome. It almost makes you wish you had to reinstall Mac OS X more often! ;)
 
All rite.

Thanks for everyone's opinions.

I've decided not to wait indefinately and put an order in for the Macbook Pro.

Thanks everyone.
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
I doubt Leopard will be released on CD, but yeah, it'll most likely be a UB. I don't see why it wouldn't be.
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Eh... whoops, I pulled a "mom" there...

All disks, regardless of shape, size, make or format (so Floppy, CD, DVD, Blue ray, and even ZIP disks) are CD's to the mothers of our world.

I meant DVD :/
 
evs said:
All rite.

Thanks for everyone's opinions.

I've decided not to wait indefinately and put an order in for the Macbook Pro.

Thanks everyone.
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Great! What config? CPU speed/ Vram option etc. :)
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
I doubt Leopard will be released on CD, but yeah, it'll most likely be a UB. I don't see why it wouldn't be.



Also, Archive & Install is awesome. It almost makes you wish you had to reinstall Mac OS X more often! ;)
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I would imagine that Lepoard will reqire a DVD drive. Apple shipped Tiger exclusively on DVD, but would send you CDs if you asked them (and paid them $10 for shipping). Just as Tiger required built-in Firewire ports, I wouldn't be surprised if Lepoard required a DVD drive - tho connecting an external DVD drive is very easy and not terribly expensive.

As for the part about an Archive & Install being awesome. The degree to which it's awesome really depends on how much stuff an Archive & Install breaks. Because I primarily support design professionals, an Archive & Install is often a pain in the arse, because it tends to break Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, and whatever 3rd-party hardware drivers were installed.

Also, an Archive & Install is very useful when reinstalling the same OS. Say your Tiger install takes a dump and you want to reinstall Tiger. Great. But. . .it's not very useful as a protection in moving from one version of OSX to another. Some of the stuff in the Previous Systems folder may be useful, but the system goodies are not. So it's not like you can just go back and boot to the previous system. That said, I've never had any data loss in moving from one version of OSX to the next. So long as you choose "Upgrade to OSX v.xxx" and NOT "Erase and Install", obviously. Having done probably a couple hundred OSX upgrades going back to 10.0.4, I'm inclined to think Apple really has this down. You'll never be wrong for backing up beforehand, I just haven't found it to be necessary.
 
As for the part about an Archive & Install being awesome. The degree to which it's awesome really depends on how much stuff an Archive & Install breaks. Because I primarily support design professionals, an Archive & Install is often a pain in the arse, because it tends to break Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, and whatever 3rd-party hardware drivers were installed.
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Well, Archive & Install and then reinstall software that puts crap in the Library, vs backup, reinstall OS and then reinstall everything? Yeah, Archive & Install still wins.
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
Well, Archive & Install and then reinstall software that puts crap in the Library, vs backup, reinstall OS and then reinstall everything? Yeah, Archive & Install still wins.
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I suppose it depends on how much you like reinstalling and reactivating apps, and then applying a boatload of updaters. About 75% of the time, it takes me less time to fix the real problem than I would spend reinstalling and re-updating apps.
 
Arcygenical said:
Holy hell, loaded...

Enjoy!
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not really. that's pretty much my bank account. gotta start working more.

BUT THANKS!!! i so wish it doesn't take so long to come!


I'll post up pics and whatever you guys want when it arrives.
 
TheLordsServant said:
Wow, nice setup, good luck with it!
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thanks man. it just shipped. can't wait.

just wondering, if i ever stuff up the whoel comptuer really badly, does the mac come with a disc to reinstall tiger?
 
Yeah, it does. But I don't see how you're going to do that. Unless you go on a system file deletion bender, it's hard to actually break Mac OS X.
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
Yeah, it does. But I don't see how you're going to do that. Unless you go on a system file deletion bender, it's hard to actually break Mac OS X.
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really, becasue with windows i've always had to routinely format and just reinstall windows every so often just so that it runs well. as soon as you have more clutter andprograms and stuff it just seems to go downhill.
 
evs said:
really, becasue with windows i've always had to routinely format and just reinstall windows every so often just so that it runs well. as soon as you have more clutter andprograms and stuff it just seems to go downhill.
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To put it into perspective, my Dual G5 has been shut down twice in the 3 years I've owned it. Once to move it, and once during a power outage.

Other than that I've never re-installed the OS. Ive just gone to TOWN on the file structure...

Works PERFECTLY
 
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