Looking for someone to build a complete flash driven website

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offthewall2005

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I am looking for someone to design a website for a client of mine because I do not have the web design skills that he demands. The current site, not designed by me, is www.pazwall.com . If someone has the skills to develop an entire site in flash, please email me tomuntz105@aol.com or aim tomuntz105.

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Completely relying on flash is wrong on so many levels. Accessibility problems for people with disabilities, search engines can't spider the pages, people will need the flash plugin to be able to view your pages etc. etc. etc. .
 
Well if there are some other ways to do an interactive site, I am open to ideas. I need to be able to zoom in on parts of a picture, ie if you had a skeleton you could click on the brain and have it be a zoomed in detailed picture come up.
 
I think it's just a vague title. What you mean is "A complete website that uses Flash," not "A website that completely uses Flash." Incidentally, I thought you meant the latter initially.

Anyway, given the former and your described example, Flash is entirely appropriate.
 
Icheb said:
Completely relying on flash is wrong on so many levels. Accessibility problems for people with disabilities, search engines can't spider the pages, people will need the flash plugin to be able to view your pages etc. etc. etc. .
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Accessability problems like what?? having an access key?? or having a speech enabled describing thingamajig? u can do all that in flash.

theres a way for search engines to grab info from flash sites.. someone discussed it with me..and ive seen it work..im not sure how cause i wasnt listening intently... and flash plugin is very much all over the place these days and downloading isnt so hard.

even without search engines being able to grab info from ure site, it still can be advertised in many other ways.The capability of flash far outweighs that.
 
Inquisition said:
[...] theres a way for search engines to grab info from flash sites.. someone discussed it with me..and ive seen it work..im not sure how cause i wasnt listening intently... [...]
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Awesome argument. You really convinced me there.
 
Inquisition said:
Accessability problems like what?? having an access key?? or having a speech enabled describing thingamajig? u can do all that in flash.
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How about having text resize to match the browser? I run my 17" monitor at 16x12, and some of the people who design flash must have 200/20 vision or be running a 100" screen at 640x480. I keep text resized +2 sizes normally for legibility. Let's see flash do that.

And for those wondering, I keep such a high resolution because I'd rather have smoother fonts. I do quite a bit of reading on the computer, so having it be easy on the eyes is a definite plus.
 
Some search engines can read into Flash, but its not very effective and there's no page seperation. If you don't believe me, do a search about it on the internet. Hence HTML is still the best solution to SEO.

And there are a few Flash sites that utilize the Stage object to make it mimic HTML characteristics. It takes a bit more effort, but a talented Flash developer can create browser size dependant scrollbars and text, floating cells, and page linking.
 
What do I care about "some search engines" when the major search engines like Google, MSN and Yahoo can't read them?
 
Believe it or not, not every site has accessibility as its top priority. I may not spend much time poking around on Flash-only sites, but that doesn't mean they don't have their uses. Look at musicplasma, orisinal, Newgrounds, and the zillions of other extremely successful, Flash-centric sites. I've also seen dozens of very attractive portfolios for artists in pretty much any medium that have been done in Flash. They're often difficult to navigate, but they can be a very effective way of expressing your creativity.

Just don't expect people to come back very often, and be aware that your effort in making a Flash site will be totally lost on some fraction of your visitors.
 
Google can read into Flash sites. "How effective is it" is a question that can only be answered by Google itself. And there are many Flash sites that are easy to navigate. Check out work done by Fantasy Interactive. They are producing a number of Flash based sites for a number of mainstream companies.

I don't think every site needs SEO. Some sites are totally entertainment based and Flash is just a medium in delivering that content.
 
MarvynDT said:
Google can read into Flash sites.
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Don't bother to provide proof.

MarvynDT said:
I don't think every site needs SEO. Some sites are totally entertainment based and Flash is just a medium in delivering that content.
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If they don't want to be found by other people then no, they don't need SEO.
 
Sometimes you guys are so stubborn. :p

Here is a link to Gregory Cox's speech at FF2k5. If this interests you, you can find more here. Again, there will never be true proof, only empirical data. Unless of course Google or any other search engine decided to spill its indexing algorithms. And as repeated before, its not as effective as true HTML SEO, but it does not mean it doesn't exist.

If they don't want to be found by other people then no, they don't need SEO
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Have you every tried explaining to guys like *Nsync or Justin Timberlake that their sites need to be properly indexed by search engines? I was in a few of those meetings, and SEO is the last of their concerns. What they wanted was bell and whistles. But then again you probably have no idea who I am talking about because their sites aren't exactly SEO friendly. :(

Do I scoff at SEO? Of course not. It's an important tool for marketing, especially for companies fighting for position. Do I believe that every site should be SEO friendly? No, some companies do not need to rely on SEO to attract business. They attract business because they are well known in the field b/c of the work they do. Do you think Road Runner, Ford, Volvo, and AOL found Fantasy Interactive through its direct SEO marketing, despite the fact that their site is 100% Flash? You think that Big Spaceship happens to land almost every major motion picture site because studios are searching for a web design firm on Yahoo? You think that Bit Torrent became popular because it always listed on the first page for P2P software? Sometimes word of mouth is just as good, if not better, than SEO. That's how I generate a number of leads, not through SEO. Would I attract more new prospects if I decided to have an SEO friendly portfolio? Maybe. Just tell me how to overtake the other million listings so that I can show up on the first page for "web design".

I'm sorry to threadjack, but I'm very curious to listen to your take on this.
 
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