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Looking for quiet gaming SFF

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silverwolf0

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I am looking to build a quiet (emphasis on quiet) and cool running SFF that has a 4850/gtx 260 or something close to that. It will be on a budget. I have had some experience building a quiet pc based on silentpcreview recommendations before but it didn't come out as quiet as I expected. I really don't like having to buy additional cpu/vga coolers or adding fans as the less components I have to fiddle with, the less chance of me screwing something up and I would have preferred prebuilt if it weren't for the extra costs. Here's where I need some suggestions.

Case: A silverstone sugo or lian li v350 or thermaltake lanbox or something else. I don't know which one is better. I don't know the difference between the sg01,02,03 or whether the case is all steel or not as that would help eliminate noise. The v350 is aluminum but don't know how that will fare for noise. The lanbox has two versions on newegg, one with japanese steel, don't really know the difference between the two.

CPU: Probably e8400 or e7200, don't want q6600 as it will create more heat since it's quad-core and uses more watts??

CPU cooler: I won't be overclocking or anything so I was hoping the stock cooler would be sufficiently quiet.

Memory: Whatever's cheap or highly recommended.

PSU: I hear the 450watt corsair is good, but don't know about acoustics. Need some more recommendations.

Mobo: I have no idea. Micro-atx for sure. I want onboard video for backup. Don't care about overclocking or SLI/crossfire. Should I worry about quality by getting a cheap board? Like this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135066

Video card: 4850 or gtx 260 or something similar. I think I remember reading that the 260 had a really quiet stock cooler for all brands because I really don't want to buy or install a vga cooler. Need a card that is quiet without any modding.

Thanks in advance. I am reading the posts further back in the SFF forum but it is still hard to find a consensus.
 
My rig is almost silent and does 14K in 3dMark06.
It's a Sugo 03, but I've done some mods to get it quite!

Swed
 
Okay I am willing to add fans if a simple setup just won't do the job, but adding fans and buying aftermarket coolers adds more to the price, so I want to stay minimal as I can.
 
You can get pretty quiet by just choosing a quiet PSU, I rekommend Corsair HX520, 2 quiet chassifans, I rekommend nexus 120mm and then put them at 7V with the included adapter, and then an quiet videocard, I don't have any good suggestions here. I changed my VGA cooler because it sounded to mutch in my opinion.
If your not going to OC the stockcooler will do the job on the CPU, and it's pretty quite!

Swed
P.S. Turn the PSU so it sug fresh air from outside.
 
Okay this is what I've gotten it down to:

Silverstone SG02B-F
E7200 or E8400 with just stock HSF
G.Skill 4GB RAM
Gigabyte 4850 that already has zalman cooler
ECS GF7100PVT-M LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 7100
640GB WD that everyone says to get

I have a few questions. Is there a hardware or software way to adjust the stock cooler for the intel processor? And what fans should I get to stick on the case?

Also, what do you mean by turning the PSU?
 
silverwolf0 said:
Okay this is what I've gotten it down to:

Silverstone SG02B-F
E7200 or E8400 with just stock HSF
G.Skill 4GB RAM
Gigabyte 4850 that already has zalman cooler
ECS GF7100PVT-M LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 7100
640GB WD that everyone says to get

I have a few questions. Is there a hardware or software way to adjust the stock cooler for the intel processor? And what fans should I get to stick on the case?

Also, what do you mean by turning the PSU?
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I understand if you want to have the 02 insted of the 03, but you're gone have less airflow, and smaller fans (read louder).

In the 02 you don't have the option to turn the PSU. It will "compete" with the CPU-cooler about the air betveen them.

Swed
 
silverwolf0 said:
Okay this is what I've gotten it down to:

Silverstone SG02B-F
E7200 or E8400 with just stock HSF
G.Skill 4GB RAM
Gigabyte 4850 that already has zalman cooler
ECS GF7100PVT-M LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 7100
640GB WD that everyone says to get

I have a few questions. Is there a hardware or software way to adjust the stock cooler for the intel processor? And what fans should I get to stick on the case?

Also, what do you mean by turning the PSU?
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To change the stock HSF fan speed you can either:

1. Have the BIOS/Intel thermal control automatically ramp up/down the fan according to temps
2. Plug it into a fan controller and manually adjust it yourself.

I believe he means to turn the PSU so its pulling in fresh air, but how im not exactly sure, especially with the SG02-F, you can only mount it one direction plus some PSU's have a bottom 120mm fan, some have a single or double 80mm. Depends on your PSU. My Antec has a single 80mm sucking air from inside the SG01-F and outside.

I just ordered my final parts tonight for my SFF gaming rig and heres what I came up with.

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500

ASUS P5E-VM HDMI

G.Skill 4GB DDR2 800

MS Windows Vista Home Premium OEM 64bit

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb

Asus DRW-2014L1T DVD SATA Lightscribe DVD/RW +

SILVERSTONE Sugo SG01B-F


Parts reused from Athlon 64 setup

Antec NeoHE 500watt

BFG 7800GTX OC PCI-E

SoundBlaster Audigy 2 PCI

Coolermaster Aerogate II fan controller

I also peliminary put in some of my older parts to see how my layout would be like, room, ect..ect.. I'm reusing some white LED's fans I purchased years ago from frozencpu.com and keep them cranked to about half speed with the Aerogate for reduced noise.

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Okay I've gotten a list and if no one objects I will probably order it later tonight or tomorrow. Am also concerned about any possible compatibility issues.

Case: Silverstone Sugo SG01
HD: WD Caviar 640GB
PSU: Antec BP550. It's modular and the HX520 or Modu82 is waay too expensive for me.
RAM: G.Skill 4GB 800
MOBO: Asus P5N-EM
CPU: E7200
GFX: HIS IceQ4 4850
DVD: Samsung 22x Burner

Total is $612.93 + $35.31 shipping.

Another thing is that I am not sure if I need to preload any drivers for the SATA burner and the SATA hard drive to work since I am going to install WinXP on the system and am not sure how to exactly do this if the burner that reads the CD is also SATA.
 
If you are going to use a PSU with the fan on the bottom (with a Silverstone case) I'd suggest a passive cooler like the NT06 or NT06-E (ideally) because it eliminates a fan from the equation and if you use the stock cooler, it will only fight for air with the PSU.

Also the stock Intel cooler that came with my Q9300 (which is the same cooler as with an E8400 I'm sure) was pretty whiny.
 
mrmylanman said:
If you are going to use a PSU with the fan on the bottom (with a Silverstone case) I'd suggest a passive cooler like the NT06 or NT06-E (ideally) because it eliminates a fan from the equation and if you use the stock cooler, it will only fight for air with the PSU.

Also the stock Intel cooler that came with my Q9300 (which is the same cooler as with an E8400 I'm sure) was pretty whiny.
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The quads have a different cooler then the E series.
 
Which only translates to loud under load. PSU + CPU competing for air in a SG01 = bad = more rpm needed. Stock SG01 fans are also crappy and need to be replaced if you want "quiet".
 
I think they just dropped the price on the sg02 again. It's now $49.99. Definitely getting this over either the sg01 or the $100+ sg03. I didn't even know it included any fans, but I think it says one 80mm fan. For those who have the sg01/sg02, what case fans do you have and what brands? I am not sure where the fans should be placed or what sizes I should buy that would fit the case.
 
2 fans included. Using 3 Nexus'.
49.99 is a pretty big difference vs the SG01's 99.99 since the only difference is the front panel. Fckin' hell, overpriced aluminum crap.

O, 1 less fan for the 02.
 
Yeah, 1 fan came with my SG02 as well. Speaking of fans, what do you recommend for fan placement on these? Are any of the fans supposed to be blowing air onto the GPU, or just pull everything out of the case?
 
I want to buy some of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118206&Tpk=zalman zm-f1

They have a resistor thingy that you can attach that puts them on quiet mode, in case the fan header on the mobo is hard to reach or there aren't three of 'em. It's cheap with volume savings. I looked at SPCR but they use expensive fans and the main factor is just the RPM for noise. On newegg, it says 1700RPM minmum for the zalman, so would that be considered quiet or not?
 
silverwolf0 said:
I want to buy some of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118206&Tpk=zalman zm-f1

They have a resistor thingy that you can attach that puts them on quiet mode, in case the fan header on the mobo is hard to reach or there aren't three of 'em. It's cheap with volume savings. I looked at SPCR but they use expensive fans and the main factor is just the RPM for noise. On newegg, it says 1700RPM minmum for the zalman, so would that be considered quiet or not?
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Wow, thats the first time i've ever seen someone make a fan with a "resistor" to decrease fan speed direclty attached to the power line. 1700RPM may be quiet for one fan, and loud for another, its all in how their designed and made.

Those Antec Tri-cool fans I bought were crap, they were so loud even at low speeds and made a gawd awful scratching noise. Only 1egg review i've ever given a product, thank god for RMA
 
silverwolf0 said:
I think they just dropped the price on the sg02 again. It's now $49.99. Definitely getting this over either the sg01 or the $100+ sg03. I didn't even know it included any fans, but I think it says one 80mm fan. For those who have the sg01/sg02, what case fans do you have and what brands? I am not sure where the fans should be placed or what sizes I should buy that would fit the case.
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The SG01-SG02 come with two 80mm silverstone fans. Their not to bad and move a decent amount of air for the noise, but im reusing some quieter LED fans that I bought from FrozenCPU years ago and give off a nice white glow.

As far as fan placement, It really depends on what hardware you have installed and how you wanna cool it. For me, I will have the HDD fan doing direct cooling on my Barracuda. The rear fan im gonna pull in cool air so the 7800GTX fan has fresh air to cool the card. The front fan im gonna have exhausting. I"ll probably flip them when I replace the card that has exhaust cooler on it. I prefer "active" cooling on my hot components vs "passive"

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Zalmans are complete crap and way loud. I have some Antec Tricools with a "built-in" fan controller that you adjust directly from the fan and they're pretty quiet at low speed, don't know what Freezebyte encountered as I had 4 of them and they were all good. Resistors can be found on Zalman and Noctua fans, I'd rather get a low rpm fan that doesn't need extra stuff to reduce clutter. If you can spare the budget, the Sharkoon 1000rpm fans seem like better quieter alternatives to the Nexus.
 
Okay, which one of these fans would you buy?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...573 1372726528 1372926567&bop=And&Order=PRICE

I also have a few more questions. They just keep on popping up as I go.

1. Will there be enough fan headers to control the three fans via the motherboard? The Asus has only two, a PWR_FAN and one CHASSI_FAN.

2. I'm still debating motherboards.
MSI:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130126&Tpk=msi 7150 hdmi
Biostar:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138096
ASUS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131229&Tpk=asus 7100 hdmi
I don't really care which one I get, if they are about the same. However, do they all have fan controls for the chassis fans in the BIOS or at least have compatibility with speedfan?

3. Another thing that I am worried about that I mentioned before is that since I want to reduce clutter and get an SATA dvd drive, will there be any trouble with detection of the drive? Or is that issue only for SATA hard drives when installing XP with no preloaded drivers and it can't detect the hard drive?

4. The Asus manual lists only one SATA cable included, so that means I definitely have to get an extra SATA cable since all the available SATA burners are OEM with no cables. Do the other motherboards include two SATA cables in the box?

There are way too many factors I have to worry about. Anyone who has a similar setup and can tell me what you did or what troubles you might ahve encountered, that would be great also.
 
silverwolf0 said:
Okay, which one of these fans would you buy?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...573 1372726528 1372926567&bop=And&Order=PRICE

I also have a few more questions. They just keep on popping up as I go.

1. Will there be enough fan headers to control the three fans via the motherboard? The Asus has only two, a PWR_FAN and one CHASSI_FAN.

2. I'm still debating motherboards.
MSI:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130126&Tpk=msi 7150 hdmi
Biostar:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138096
ASUS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131229&Tpk=asus 7100 hdmi
I don't really care which one I get, if they are about the same. However, do they all have fan controls for the chassis fans in the BIOS or at least have compatibility with speedfan?

3. Another thing that I am worried about that I mentioned before is that since I want to reduce clutter and get an SATA dvd drive, will there be any trouble with detection of the drive? Or is that issue only for SATA hard drives when installing XP with no preloaded drivers and it can't detect the hard drive?

4. The Asus manual lists only one SATA cable included, so that means I definitely have to get an extra SATA cable since all the available SATA burners are OEM with no cables. Do the other motherboards include two SATA cables in the box?

There are way too many factors I have to worry about. Anyone who has a similar setup and can tell me what you did or what troubles you might ahve encountered, that would be great also.
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1. Personally, I would use the included fans and see how you like them for airflow/noise ratio before spending/wasting money on fans

2.You cannot control the fans speed connected to the motherboard, the BIOS will only give you RPM readouts, but thats it. You will need a fan controller to manually adjust your fans. Only the CPU fan header connection can be adjusted, depending on the BIOS.

Fan controllers are devices like these
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g36/c17/list/p1/Fans-Fan_Controllers.html

3. Modern boards now come with integrated shared IDE/SATA connection that allows XP builds to "see" sata drives as they were IDE drives. You only need to install 3rd party drivers if your doing a RAID setup

4. Look at the pictures of the mobo's, they will typically show you wants in the box. If your short or worried about having enough, I've got so many SATA cables I could mail you some free

Your being panicky about very little stuff, it will be fine. Just take it one step at a time and ask questions, we will help you out ;)
 
Thanks so much Freezebyte! Straight and informative answers. I am self-diagnosed OCD maniac. You don't know how many times I have to check that the brightness on my monitor is 18.7% in the OSD every hour I'm using it. So please forgive me.

I think I'll just get everything already listed except for the fans. Throw in an SATA cable. These little additions really add up, especially in the shipping department.

Edit: Scratch the Asus, getting the Biostar. Comes with 2xSATA cable! These little things make a big difference when deciding between near identical boards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138096
 
silverwolf0 said:
Thanks so much Freezebyte! Straight and informative answers. I am self-diagnosed OCD maniac. You don't know how many times I have to check that the brightness on my monitor is 18.7% in the OSD every hour I'm using it. So please forgive me.

I think I'll just get everything already listed except for the fans. Throw in an SATA cable. These little additions really add up, especially in the shipping department.
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No worries, im a lifelong OCD patient myself, I know how much it sucks. Though mine is more "continual thought patterns" then worrying about stuff.:D Here's some testing setup pics of "Black Ice" before my equipment arrives on Friday to give you an idea of what im talking about. Again, I can send you shit loads of SATA cables via mail if you want.

Oh, and the water bottle is for my cat who gets a shower if he doesn't get off my stuff:D

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silverwolf0 said:
Edit: Scratch the Asus, getting the Biostar. Comes with 2xSATA cable! These little things make a big difference when deciding between near identical boards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138096
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Be wary, Biostars arn't one of the more "reliable" brands. Don't get a lower quality board just cause it doens't have enough SATA cables, thats a very poor reason. I also recommend sticking with Intel chipsets and not nVidia.

I would recommend this board. Higher quality Intel chipset and made by an off company of ASUS hence the slightly cheaper price. Not OC material but good enough

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157137
 
Freezebyte said:
Be wary, Biostars arn't one of the more "reliable" brands. Don't get a lower quality board just cause it doens't have enough SATA cables, thats a very poor reason. I also recommend sticking with Intel chipsets and not nVidia.

I would recommend this board. Higher quality Intel chipset and made by an off company of ASUS hence the slightly cheaper price. Not OC material but good enough

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157137
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That would be their older, budget boards. From what I've heard around here at [H] and the review, their newer boards are a very good alternative to other major manufacturers.

Or, at least, their P45 TForce board.

edit, OP, do not get ANY board that uses a GeForce chipset! They're budget chipsets with integrated graphics designed for non-gaming PCs. If you want to save money, I'd get a used P5E-VM HDMI or something over at the FS/FT forum. I just sold mine there for $53.
 
I'm wondering if a Silverstone FN82 fan would fit inside that case? The FN82 is a 92mm fan that resides in a 80mm form factor housing. It bolts right up to 80mm precut holes. I'm using two in my Qmicra v1 case that originally uses 80mm fans. They work really nice IMO. They arent silent but they arent overly noisy either. They move alot more air than a 80mm fan because its really a 92mm fan inside the housing. Maybe its something to consider? Assuming it'll fit of course.

http://www.digitaldingus.com/reviews/silverstone/fn82/index.php
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999348
 
Will not fit into HD cage for certain, and will doubtfully fit rack mounted fans.
 
I had a geforce 6150 chipset in my older board and it did alright. The onboard video was a life-saver when my video card died. I read some reviews of the Biostar mobo I picked and they gave it decent marks. I also think Biostar has been around for a while making motherboards and I like their name, so I shyed away from foxconn(budget) or zotac(never heard of 'em, terrible name) or MSI(still some bad taste in my mouth from watching a dying MSI notebook) or Gigabyte(my shoddy WLAN card) or Asus(too much hype, want something different). Yeah that's kind of how I justified the Biostar, since I obviously can't compare all the mobos competently on a technical standpoint. :p

Finally bit the bullet and ordered. Got everything except for the zalman fans, which I switched with these enermax ones:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999199
Top seller. 200+ reviews. 1500RPM at 14dba. Significant drop in price with volume savings.
 
Skott said:
I'm wondering if a Silverstone FN82 fan would fit inside that case? The FN82 is a 92mm fan that resides in a 80mm form factor housing. It bolts right up to 80mm precut holes. I'm using two in my Qmicra v1 case that originally uses 80mm fans. They work really nice IMO. They arent silent but they arent overly noisy either. They move alot more air than a 80mm fan because its really a 92mm fan inside the housing. Maybe its something to consider? Assuming it'll fit of course.

http://www.digitaldingus.com/reviews/silverstone/fn82/index.php
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999348
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I had the Silverstone FN82 in my previous case and it was the loudest fan in the case. Good fan, but loud.

silverwolf0 said:
Finally bit the bullet and ordered. Got everything except for the zalman fans, which I switched with these enermax ones:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999199
Top seller. 200+ reviews. 1500RPM at 14dba. Significant drop in price with volume savings.
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I have used the Enermax in the past - one (the 92mm) was mounted on a XP-90 cooling my overclocked Pentium D 3.4GHz @ 4.08GHz and another (the 80mm) was a case fan in a system I built for my brother in law. Both worked for years and would probably still be working but those rigs have been retired a long time ago.
 
I've finally completed my system. The thing is a total b*tch to put together since there isn't much room. I had a lot of problems with putting the video card in and out since there were a couple of times I needed to remove it and it would get almost permanently stuck between the slot and the back plate. I think I've manhandled and bent my card enough times for a decade of video card installs. The motherboard went through tons of abuse as I pushed down on it constantly really really hard yet hoping it would not break. The retail CPU heatsink/fan is suppose to be simple but when I first installed it, I got 70C+ degrees when just sitting in the BIOS. I removed and reinstalled it half a dozen times, but it seems that only two of the prong thingies make a loud snap-in sound and the other two are a bit loose and are snapped in with no sound and with just the force of pushing on the other prongs, which isn't reassuring. The temps did drop by 35C or so though, just from looking at the BIOS.

There are no room for cables to go so I shoved most of my power ones in the 5.25" bay and the rest are a birds nest in front of the drive cage. It turns out I don't really need the two enermax fans attached to the bar and they are the loudest component in the system, so I just unplugged them. A third enermax replaced the fan that was next to the drive cage and is attached to the system fan header. Contrary to what some people have told me, The BIOS for the Biostar allows for fan control of the 3-pin system fan header and I dropped it to around 1000rpm which made it inaudible. The enermax fans in general are good and make no other sound but the wooshing air sound but aren't quiet enough for me at 1600-1700rpm default.

The Iceq4 4850 is quiet until it hits over 20%, which unfortunately is the lowest fan speed I can set in the control panel. Any thing from that to 50% makes an increasingly loud whine and is very annoying. Anything above 50% and it goes to loud wooshing air sound but the whine is gone. Most of the time, if the fan is set to automatic, the fan will be at 20-25% with a small whine or under 20% with no whine. I set the case under my desk with a bottom shelf blocking the side and the small whine can't really be heard anymore, as well as the general case fan noises almost disappearing, which is good. In this position, I could hear a very faint whine running 3dmark06 it is basically silent if you factor in ambient sounds like a loud AC or my TV on low volume.

Yeah I was pretty frustrated building this thing and just wanted to break some of the stuff at times. However, it's turning out okay and placing the case on the floor makes a big difference. I hope I will never have to open that case again in my life. The only thing that might bug me now is the temperature. Also, the cheapo Lite-On drive I bought for $20 on newegg is the loudest drive I've ever heard. It sounds like a paper shredder or spinning saw. Thankfully , I very rarely use the drive.

How does this look? This is on idle for about a few hours. I just don't want any components to die and me having to replace or open that dreaded case again. It looks snazzy and compact otherwise.


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Here's a phonecam shot.

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I guess it depends on what your used to working on for it to be considered "bitch" to build a SFF. I've built many different ATX tower setups over the years and i've had a couple that were a more PITA it work on then the smaller SFF. You just need to remember you have to build in "layers" for a SFF like the SG01 as you don't have the flexiblity to do random parts like you can in a tower ATX system.

Yes, the stock Intel HSF is a bitch to get installed right the first time without damaging the board. Best thing to do is to like I did is to put it flat on a peice of thick cardboard and then push down the pins. This will help prevent bowing the board and the pins will go through the cardboard easily. My stock temps were terrible with the Intel HSF, around 50c idle and then freaking 72c during Prime95 burns! I replaced it with a Scythe Shuriken and now their around 41-42c idle and 60c full crank and a HELLUVA alot quieter then the Intel HSF.

Modular PSUs are a BIG help in SFF like these, even with mine I had a decent rats nest under the DVD drive :D Just takes patience and some cabling management know how

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As far as the cheap, noisy liteon drive, well, you get what you pay for ;)

Use RealTemp to get a more accurate reading of your tempatures and make sure to change the Tjmaxx so its accurate, Speed fan isn't the greatest
 
I see entrails! Cover yourself!

My CPU tops at 64C under prime95 with just the regular heatsink and I can't really hear the fan anymore since I used the BIOS to shut it up so I think I am good with no extra external cooler and no extra cost. I am selling my lappy after this which this replaced and trying to get a larger net gain.

Here's some more pics:

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Damn, you need some wire managment in there, it looks terrible.Notice how I did mine

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silverwolf0 said:
I had a lot of problems with putting the video card in and out since there were a couple of times I needed to remove it and it would get almost permanently stuck between the slot and the back plate. I think I've manhandled and bent my card enough times for a decade of video card installs.
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Mine did the same thing, it just gets stuck in there. I still haven't figured out what exactly makes it stick, just gotta play with it to get it out. I have to do some cable management in mine, and maybe put together the upper metal piece with fans to cool some stuff down, but overall it's not too bad.

EDIT: Does anyone have a link to Real Temp? The website says it's on their download page, and when you go to the download page, it isn't there.
 
smaug8821 said:
Mine did the same thing, it just gets stuck in there. I still haven't figured out what exactly makes it stick, just gotta play with it to get it out. I have to do some cable management in mine, and maybe put together the upper metal piece with fans to cool some stuff down, but overall it's not too bad.
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Weird, I had no such problems, but I don't have a dual slot cooler yet either.
 
silverwolf0 said:
Okay I've gotten a list and if no one objects I will probably order it later tonight or tomorrow. Am also concerned about any possible compatibility issues.

Case: Silverstone Sugo SG01
HD: WD Caviar 640GB
PSU: Antec BP550. It's modular and the HX520 or Modu82 is waay too expensive for me.
RAM: G.Skill 4GB 800
MOBO: Asus P5N-EM
CPU: E7200
GFX: HIS IceQ4 4850
DVD: Samsung 22x Burner

Total is $612.93 + $35.31 shipping.

Another thing is that I am not sure if I need to preload any drivers for the SATA burner and the SATA hard drive to work since I am going to install WinXP on the system and am not sure how to exactly do this if the burner that reads the CD is also SATA.
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I installed XP SP2 onto my desktop and it has SATA hard drives and DVD-ROM drive, and it detected everything just fine (until I used RAID, but that's another issue entirely).
 
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