ok i plan to make a new PC to work well in the rate my cables thread. ATM I have CM centurion 5 and there is no space in that thing. I've cut two holes in it and prolly hid most of the bulk but it still doesnt look clean at all. It will prolly become my "i dont care this is my lan box". Now im looking for good case that has 120mm fans at least one in the front and one in the back. Spacing is the most important, once its done, you should only see the heads of plugs and water cooling tubes ^.^