Logitech MX1000 methods of charging?

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do any of you people that own mx1ks know if im supposed to leave the mouse on the docking station whenever im not using it or can i just leave it laying around and flick the off switch on the mouse when i head off to bed? i mean, recently i just noticed that my batteries have been draining faster and faster without any change in habit of usage. i mean, how long is this thing supposed to last on average anyway before it becomes completly depleted of energy? i s there a limit in the number of times i can charge this before the battery starts to die from overuse? i worry about the cost of replacing the battery on this thing. anybody know the cost of it?

ok to sum it all up for those of you who dont want to read such a lengthy post, am i supposed to leave my mouse on the charger when im not using it, or do i just leave it out until its almost completed depleted of energy before recharge? which method will preserve my battery longer?
 
Put it on the charger. I think the batteries life is around 5 years. After 5 years you'll most likely upgrade anyway.
 
I don't have a Logitech, but I have a different brand wireless rechargable mouse with a dock. I always put it in it's dock before bed. I'm almost positive that their batteries are ment for one day's charge. If I don't put it in it's dock before I go to bed, it won't last long the next day.

Does the logitech have removable batteries? Mine has 2 NiMH AAA's that can easily be replaced, and maybe yours can too.

Either way, I would always put it in the charger at the end of the day.
 
its a lithium ion battery pack, and they are not so easily replaceable. very expensive to replace lithium ion batteries
 
Lithium ion batteries last longer if you keep them fully charged. Always put the mouse on the charging stand when you aren't using it.

Sometimes you can find equivalent battery packs on ebay or battery websites for low cost, but don't take your mouse apart to find out until you are sure it's worn out, and out of warranty.
 
i tested my mx1000 and the battery lasted about a week without recharging it. this is with constant use too. i play about 5-8 hours of videogames a day.
 
tommo said:
Lithium ion batteries last longer if you keep them fully charged. Always put the mouse on the charging stand when you aren't using it.

Sometimes you can find equivalent battery packs on ebay or battery websites for low cost, but don't take your mouse apart to find out until you are sure it's worn out, and out of warranty.
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are you sure?? because ive read somewhere that its just better to completly drain the charge then refill it, that way it preserves the battery. to my knowledge, doing this would minimize the amount of charge cycles used during battery recharge and usage. if you have a source from which you obtained that information from, i would like to see it. thanks.
 
Specialist[X] said:
are you sure?? because ive read somewhere that its just better to completly drain the charge then refill it, that way it preserves the battery. to my knowledge, doing this would minimize the amount of charge cycles used during battery recharge and usage. if you have a source from which you obtained that information from, i would like to see it. thanks.
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Thats true for nickel cadmiums batteries.. Lithium Ions have alot less of a "memory" problem than NiCads.

Hang it up at night and let it charge..
 
yes...the NiCads were infamous for that...lithium ion batterys don't have that problem...but i don't knjow if keeping them topped off helps them either..id like to see a source to


my MX700 uses NiMH AA batterys tho...so neither applys to me
 
I'm not sure about the mx1000, but I have an mx700 and I use it all day, whenever I walk away from the computer (even for hours at a time) I leave it sit on the desk, and there's no switch on it... Then, as I go to sleep, I slip it in the charger for the night... I dunno about leaving off the dock overnight.. that just seems.. lazy? :p
 
is it bad to charge it for too long at a time... say charging for many hours or even days after its fully charged? and is it not good as well to charge it for too little at a time? say 5secs-5 mins instead of letting it fully reach full again?

4b5eN+EE said:
yes...the NiCads were infamous for that...lithium ion batterys don't have that problem...but i don't knjow if keeping them topped off helps them either..id like to see a source to


my MX700 uses NiMH AA batterys tho...so neither applys to me
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so nimh doesnt have this problem either?
 
AFAIK...but you can't change the battery to NiMH in the MX1000...

and why would you want to? Li-Ion is better anyway...
 
It uses a lithium ion battery as previously stated. These batteries aren't too sensitive to different methods of use. You can leave the mouse off the charger, leave it on, put it on the charger for 10 minutes every 3rd hour on the 14th day of the month if you felt like it. None of the above will have any appreciable adverse affects on the battery life.

The charge on the mouse should be lasting for about 40-50 hours of use I am guessing. I usually go 1-2 weeks before I have to stick my mouse in the charger. Dont bother with turning the thing off, I only do that when I transport the mouse somewhere. If it is sitting on the desk not moving then the mouse will turn itself off, even if the switch is in the on position. You dont need to worry about sticking it in its charger every night either, just do it when you remember it and you will be fine.

I have had my mouse for 6 months now and I have yet to notice that the charge depletes at all.
 
Erasmus354 said:
It uses a lithium ion battery as previously stated. These batteries aren't too sensitive to different methods of use. You can leave the mouse off the charger, leave it on, put it on the charger for 10 minutes every 3rd hour on the 14th day of the month if you felt like it. None of the above will have any appreciable adverse affects on the battery life.

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I have had my mouse for 6 months now and I have yet to notice that the charge depletes at all.
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SpecialistX said:
are you sure?? because ive read somewhere that its just better to completly drain the charge then refill it, that way it preserves the battery. to my knowledge, doing this would minimize the amount of charge cycles used during battery recharge and usage. if you have a source from which you obtained that information from, i would like to see it. thanks.
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Ahem... Here's what I believe to be the truth, with proof:

Discharging lithium batteries to low levels severly damages their life :eek:. Please check out this link under 2-2 before you argue more. You may be protected by the way the circuit works (i.e. inoperation before the voltage reaches critically low levels; a low voltage cutoff circuit).

If the battery life is really not affected by the discharge, it's due to the way the mouse is designed; if that was the case you should have said it was due to the mouse design, not the battery!

You cannot change the battery to a NiMH- the charge circuit is different- unless you're planning to make your own of course.

The link mentioned above should dissolve all myths you had believed in about lithium ion batteries.



Specialist[X] said:
is it bad to charge it for too long at a time... say charging for many hours or even days after its fully charged? and is it not good as well to charge it for too little at a time? say 5secs-5 mins instead of letting it fully reach full again?
4b5eN+EE said:
yes...the NiCads were infamous for that...lithium ion batterys don't have that problem...but i don't knjow if keeping them topped off helps them either..id like to see a source to


my MX700 uses NiMH AA batterys tho...so neither applys to me
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so nimh doesnt have this problem either?
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I could not find anything explicitly about keeping them topped off, I recommend it only to avoid critical discharge ;).

All modern charge circuits should have a voltage cut-off circuit that works much exactly like the one I mentioned about; Damage to Li-ion from overcharging with a manufactured device is improbable.

Check out this link on that page too: http://www.batterieswholesale.com/lithium_polymer_lipo/lithium_polymer_myth.htm
It seems to be unbiased.

Everyone:
I don't have anything to say about NiMH (except about the differingt charge circuits), since all sources seem to contradict one another it may start a heated argument. I don't want the thread to be closed, I find it to be embarassing for members :eek: and disappointing for administrators :mad:. I insist you argue with the intent to provide accurate information. If you want to turn to politics, religion, sexuality or racism to help your argument, save it. Register and get on the "soap box" forum, or go somewhere else. This might not be the place to say all of this so I'm sorry to get carried away but I'm tired of it happening, and I'm sure the administrators are too. I shouldn't have to say it.

Low temperatures also affect battery life of Li-ion batteries too. Ask anyone who lives in the North of the USA or Canadians if they can go jogging during winter their ipod in their hand (And it getting keeping a charge, of course). This is due to the chemistry of the battrey. Ok - enough!
 
Interesting tommo, unfortunately none of that applies to the MX1000. The reason being that it will stop operating before you discharge it low enough to damage the battery. Also, unless someone is going to be using their mouse in the meat locker at their local butcher, or on top of their barbeque I dont think they will have much problems with temperature either.

I stand by my earlier comments and they are entirely true. Here is a little bit more information for you from UC Berkeley :

Lithium Ion batteries are at least 30% lighter in weight, and carry at least 30% more capacity than their NiMH or NiCad counterparts. Lithium Ion batteries do require a special type of charger because of their unique charging requirements. While Lithium Ion does not build a memory effect, it does prefer to be charged at a rate somewhere between conventional slow chargers and a rapid charge. The battery will accept a rapid charge, but must be slow charged the last 15% of it's charge cycle. Overheating will damage the battery and could cause a fire. These batteries are great for attaining higher talk times and standby times and will also keep the phone to a reasonably light weight.
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EDIT : Hahahah I should have looked at your link more closely tommo, you are talking about a different type of battery.... Lithium Ion != Lithium Ion Polymer
 
Erasmus354 said:
Interesting tommo, unfortunately none of that applies to the MX1000. The reason being that it will stop operating before you discharge it low enough to damage the battery. Also, unless someone is going to be using their mouse in the meat locker at their local butcher, or on top of their barbeque I dont think they will have much problems with temperature either.

I stand by my earlier comments and they are entirely true. Here is a little bit more information for you from UC Berkeley :

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EDIT : Hahahah I should have looked at your link more closely tommo, you are talking about a different type of battery.... Lithium Ion != Lithium Ion Polymer
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Everything you said, other than your correction about the Li-Ion and Polymer is verbatim, but thanks. :)

Also... the 2nd link I posted is only about polymer, the first link applies to lithium-ion.
 
tommo said:
Everything you said, other than your correction about the Li-Ion and Polymer is verbatim, but thanks. :)

Also... the 2nd link I posted is only about polymer, the first link applies to lithium-ion.
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Read the first link again "Handling precautions and prohibitions for Lithium-Polymer batteries"

Both of the links are about li-po

Also I think you are a little confused about the correct usage of the word verbatim....I fail to see what I said was taken verbatim from anywhere else.
 
Erasmus354 said:
Read the first link again "Handling precautions and prohibitions for Lithium-Polymer batteries"

Both of the links are about li-po

Also I think you are a little confused about the correct usage of the word verbatim....I fail to see what I said was taken verbatim from anywhere else.
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Read the title of the page.
You're being very insulting. Cut the BS and stay on topic.

I definitely know what that word means. It means using exactly the same words. Have a read of what I said about the cutoff circuit that the mouse may or may not use. This isn't a english help forum; we're not trying to help people learn english here.

Lithium ion and polymer have the same chemistries. All you're doing by saying I'm wrong is confusing people here; the only difference is that non electrolytic lithium-ion batteries dont have a problem with temperature.
 
tommo said:
Read the title of the page.
You're being very insulting. Cut the BS and stay on topic.

I definitely know what that word means. It means using exactly the same words. Have a read of what I said about the cutoff circuit that the mouse may or may not use. This isn't a english help forum; we're not trying to help people learn english here.

Lithium ion and polymer have the same chemistries. All you're doing by saying I'm wrong is confusing people here; the only difference is that non electrolytic lithium-ion batteries dont have a problem with temperature.
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Really? I thought you were the one that was confusing people. considering you are mentioning things that ruin the battery that will never come into play. Yes you can run the battery down to damagingly low voltages in a lab, but you cant on the mouse. the thread is about the best way to charge the mouse, and the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what you do, because it wont let you do one of the few things that can damage the battery.

The temperature concerns really have no relevance to the topic of discussion, which was and is the best charging behavior.
 
i have one and i charge it when it gets down to 2 sometimes. and i always put it on the charge at night if it's down to 1. otherwise i usually am lazy and just leave it on the floor. i think it pretty much conserves it's own power when it's idle.
 
Logitech has had a few issues with the MX-1000 and there has been a redesign. In my case they were very good about a replacement.

If you plan on buying one, and I highly recommend the product, look for the new box. The old box was “plain” the new box is shiny and “foil like” in nature.

Luck
 
Erasmus354 said:
Really? I thought you were the one that was confusing people. considering you are mentioning things that ruin the battery that will never come into play. Yes you can run the battery down to damagingly low voltages in a lab, but you cant on the mouse. the thread is about the best way to charge the mouse, and the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what you do, because it wont let you do one of the few things that can damage the battery.

The temperature concerns really have no relevance to the topic of discussion, which was and is the best charging behavior.
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Unless you have the circuit schematics or have looked inside of your mouse you wouldn't know if there was a cut-off circuit or not. All you have is your prior experience with the device, no real proof. Your mistake was to say that lithium batteries don't have a problem with being discharged, and in actual fact they do. Leaving the battery uncharged for extended periods of time (i.e shelving it) will discharge it to dangerous levels, and in turn damage it. So here's another helpful tip: if you're not using your devices that utilize lithium-ion battery technology, be sure to charge them up every month or so.

As far as the "off-topic-ness" goes, a lot of people on this forum were asking about this technology, I wanted to give some insight.

All of a sudden you're trying to bring yourself above me with cheap shots about my word choices and what you thought was much different technology. I'm glad you made it clear that Li-ion and Li-ion polymer are not exactly the same, but seriously- quit while you're ahead. Everything that is correct has been said. Feel free to revise my old post, it seems you find it necessary.
 
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