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Linux / Unix? N00b Questions.

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emptyshell

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Ok, so im realy realy realy realy getting frustrated with windows, and I just have some questions about unix/linux whatever its called.

Considering I have never used any unix operating system, which would be the most user friendly? But also not a piece of crap.

I have an x800gto, I have heard of problems with ATI cards, what kind of problems are we talking about?

And lastly... programs, are they harder to install? Are there many programs which dont work easily or at all?

Thanks in advance.
 
emptyshell said:
Ok, so im realy realy realy realy getting frustrated with windows, and I just have some questions about unix/linux whatever its called.
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its linux, or if you are a GNU-zeleot GNU/linux

emptyshell said:
Considering I have never used any unix operating system, which would be the most user friendly? But also not a piece of crap.
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well any will not be a piece of crap (linux is what you make it) but to fulfill both yr requirements Ubuntu


emptyshell said:
I have an x800gto, I have heard of problems with ATI cards, what kind of problems are we talking about?
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Well problem as far as 3D accel on games is not what it should be.
nVidia in linux is better then nVidia in winows, the converse is true here.
ATi drivers work, they are just not as good as they should be (esp since you bought it)


emptyshell said:
And lastly... programs, are they harder to install? Are there many programs which dont work easily or at all?
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as simple as an APT-GET from the command line (or YUM for FC or emerge for Gentoo) or for mroe user-friendly, Ubuntu comes with a GUI package manager
 
Ubuntu is a piece of cake.

You can use Synaptic package manager to install programs or the apt-get install command.

Not many games have been ported to Linux so if you're looking to play newer games with it, you'll be disappointed.
 
Cadega can play some windows games in linux in emulation, but I dont know how ATI cards work out with that.
 
Any other suggestions other then ubuntu? I tried installing it a few times and it keeps giving me some sort of video error thingy.... Ill get the exact msg for you guys a bit later.
 
screw cedega. Proprietary software on a free operating system is a joke, and it is hurting GNU\Linux gaming in the long run.

Johnboy12358 said:
Cadega can play some windows games in linux in emulation, but I dont know how ATI cards work out with that.
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I prefer to have a dual boot setup. I play games in windows and do everything else in linux.

If Ubuntu didn't work for you than try either Fedora or Suse. Both are solid distros that are easy to learn.
 
the video error is probably coming from your lack of installed drivers

you need to download them from ati's site
 
Ok so here is the error I keep getting when trying to install Ubunto, word for word:

Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up corectly. Would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem? <Yes> <No>

Um????
 
emptyshell said:
Ok so here is the error I keep getting when trying to install Ubunto, word for word:

Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up corectly. Would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem? <Yes> <No>

Um????
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are you getting that error when it's installing? Or when you try to run it for the first time after it's been installed?
 
emptyshell said:
Ok so here is the error I keep getting when trying to install Ubunto, word for word:

Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up corectly. Would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem? <Yes> <No>

Um????
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Simple...Do the following...

Open a terminal window (Applications > Accessories > Terminal).

Type the following...

Code: 
sudo su -
enter password
# nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Now look for the driver your video card is using...

Mine looks like this about mid page...

Code: 
Section "Device"
        Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. RV370 5B62 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)]"
        Driver          "vesa"
        BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

What driver are you using...?
 
Carloswill said:
Simple...Do the following...

Open a terminal window (Applications > Accessories > Terminal).

Type the following...

Code: 
sudo su -
enter password
# nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Now look for the driver your video card is using...

Mine looks like this about mid page...

Code: 
Section "Device"
        Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. RV370 5B62 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)]"
        Driver          "vesa"
        BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

What driver are you using...?
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The 'sudo su- ...' terminal code for X11 should work just fine for SuSE 10.1, correct? I get the error right after I try to run SuSE 10.1 from the harddrive after the initial installation.
 
If you're getting really really really fustrated with Windows, then chances are you'll be worse with a linux distribution. Installing things is not as easy as you'd think and doing things like updating drivers and having hardware work out of the box is commonly much more difficult than Windows. Depending upon what your frustrations are though it might be an option for you. I would download one of the live cd/dvd's. Most download sites don't explain what the live CD's are, but they are basically a version of the operating system that you can burn onto an optical disc and if you set your machine to boot from the optical disc first then it will load the OS onto your hardware. Then you can get an idea of what you're dealing with. If you're finding Windows technically too complex though, I'm not sure if Linux is the route for you. Best of luck on your journey.
 
If you've installed Suse 10.1 and dont automatically have a Xwindows interface, then something went wrong during your installation. I would recomend that you try and install again. You should at least be set up with a 2D only driver automatically with a Suse installation. It should auto-detect most of your hardware and set it up automatically for you.

After you get a desktop running, you gotta get the real ATi drivers installed (whatever linux driver they actually have) and that will be more complicated.
 
I have recently switched over to the world of linux. I am currently using the most recent release of Ubuntu on a Thinkpad R52 . Everything was picked up automatically except my modem. My ethernet and wireless picked up no problems and that made life really easy for me because being new to Linux I was able to get online quickly and access the resources needed. After some digging I got my modem setup, which I am currently using for my internet at the moment to try it out.

Definitely don't give up on it. I have only had Linux running for 3 days now and I love it. I have it playing my movies, anime, playing my music and running some games. Using wine I have been playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein. I am glad I made the switch and do not plan on going back anytime soon.
 
eeyrjmr said:
Well problem as far as 3D accel on games is not what it should be.
nVidia in linux is better then nVidia in winows, the converse is true here.
ATi drivers work, they are just not as good as they should be (esp since you bought it)
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Actually, wrong. They do not "just work". Try upgrading your kernel. How did it go for you? Oh wait... ATI drivers are coded so that the slightest difference in the kernel means the compile will fail. You *might* find a *user-supplied* patch, but good luck getting it to work. Wait... isn't the manufacturer supposed to make the drivers work? Shit... looks like the compile fails... Gee... isn't the driver linking against the 32-bit instead of the 64-bit drivers? WTF? Which GART does ATI want me to use again - the ATI-supplied one, or the kernel one? Why is the ATI one not loading then, even tho I custom compiled a kernel without the GART module for a K8... GRRRR!

WHY IS MY MONITOR BLANK WHEN X STARTS!!?!?!?!

Ack!!!

(All real-world examples.)
 
Josh_B said:
Actually, wrong. They do not "just work". Try upgrading your kernel. How did it go for you? Oh wait... ATI drivers are coded so that the slightest difference in the kernel means the compile will fail. You *might* find a *user-supplied* patch, but good luck getting it to work. Wait... isn't the manufacturer supposed to make the drivers work? Shit... looks like the compile fails... Gee... isn't the driver linking against the 32-bit instead of the 64-bit drivers? WTF? Which GART does ATI want me to use again - the ATI-supplied one, or the kernel one? Why is the ATI one not loading then, even tho I custom compiled a kernel without the GART module for a K8... GRRRR!

WHY IS MY MONITOR BLANK WHEN X STARTS!!?!?!?!

Ack!!!

(All real-world examples.)
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That is the problem of not using the proper instalation media for your distribution....

For gentoo, All I have to do is "emerge -va ati-drivers && eselect opengl set ati && nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", and set it to initialize the fglrx driver..... then ctrl-alt-bckspc.... It takes less then five minutes.
 
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