LG L2000C

SpookyFodder said:
Just a heads up. In Canada, at least, the LG L2000C will be using a TN and not a S-IPS panel. Please refer to this thread NCIX Forum
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I am not going to bother to register at NCIX to point out that they are essentially doing false advertising, by putting a TN panel in a monitor they claim has 178 degree viewing angles.

If I bought a panel that had those specs and arrived with a TN panel I would absolutely demand a full refund and sue if I didn't get it.

If this is correct, it is even worse than what dell does. Some people can't tell the difference between S-IPS and PVA, but everyone and their seeing eye dog can tell the difference between S-IPS and TN.

Specs from LG Canada (http://www.lge.ca/). Products>LCD monitor> L2000C BF

Display Type: 20.1" TFT LCD
Fast Response Time: 8ms
High Brightness: 300cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 2000:1
High Resolution: 1600 x 1200
Wide Viewing Angle: H:178, V:178 (Not possible with TN: False advertising if TN)
 
SpookyFodder said:
Just a heads up. In Canada, at least, the LG L2000C will be using a TN and not a S-IPS panel. Please refer to this thread NCIX Forum
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I spoke last week to LG Canada rep and the guy assured me they are shipping S-IPS panel with L2000C-BF. Also LG US confirmed that I 'should' be getting S-IPS. If you look at PDF spec file for L2000C-BF, it shows 2 models L2000C (1600*1200) and L2000CE (1400*1050). I presume second being a TN panel.

According to http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ :

LG L2000CE 8ms 20"WS TN Film
LG L2000C 8ms G2G 20" LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201U05)
LG L2000CN 6ms G2G 20" TN Film

Also According to the German LG site they have 4 flavours:
http://de.lge.com/proddivergent.do?categoryId=040102&modelCategoryId=&parentId=0401

LG L2000CM (MVA)
LG L2000CE (TN 1400*1050)
LG L2000CN (TN 1600*1200)
LG L2000C (S-IPS)

and if you go to each montior it tells you what exactly you are getting. I hope LG US and LG Canada can get their act together and TELL US WHAT WE ARE ACTUALY GETTING :mad: Just like German site..... I guess German customers would not take this Sh&*& and they had to make it clear

If they want TN they will buy either L2000CE or L2000CN and they will pay accordingly..... :rolleyes:
 
SpookyFodder said:
Just a heads up. In Canada, at least, the LG L2000C will be using a TN and not a S-IPS panel. Please refer to this thread NCIX Forum
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I spoke to LG Canada again and this is what I got form them...

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Just as a heads up email for you sir, the panel for the monitor is indeed S-IPS. I have verified that with the internal spec sheet provided by the technical group.
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Customer Service Representative.
LG Electronics Canada, Inc.
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Last week I spoke with another agent from LG Canada, who assured me I'll be getting S-IPS. Also I got confirmation from US LG that specs should be S-IPS.... :confused:

SpookyFodder who is Carlos_T, is he LG's rep?
 
Thx for posting in the other thread. I'd like to get some definitive answers on this. I have briefly spoken with Carlos on other unrelated topics and if memory serves me correctly he is a LG sales rep. Hopefully he'll have some answers.
 
SpookyFodder said:
Thx for posting in the other thread. I'd like to get some definitive answers on this. I have briefly spoken with Carlos on other unrelated topics and if memory serves me correctly he is a LG sales rep. Hopefully he'll have some answers.
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No problem, I would like to get this clear too, before I pull the trigger.... :confused:
 
This overall clueless response from their own staff seems common at LCD makers. The only way we will know for sure is if someone buys one.
 
Snowdog said:
This overall clueless response from their own staff seems common at LCD makers. The only way we will know for sure is if someone buys one.
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Give me a few hours. I have a contact over at LG and i think she might be able to get us an answer from engineering or product management.
 
Actually Carlos_T has replied and I think pretty much cleared it up. Refer to the other thread at the top of the page.
 
travbomb said:
Give me a few hours. I have a contact over at LG and i think she might be able to get us an answer from engineering or product management.
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Thanks Trav, but it appears unnecessary. When I was mentioning the clueless, I was almost thinking I should have mentioned the exception case at NEC. But still I remember way back someone had called NEC customer support that told them the 2070NX was NOT a S-IPS. Confusion reigns everywhere.

People need to understand that when you call customer support, you are getting a call center. You are likely not dealing with someone who actually ever touches the hardware.

I wish we had knowledgeable people from other manufacturers here as well. It is hardly that big a deal with NEC because I don't remember ever hearing of a single case of Panel swapping shennanigans, that seem rampant in this industry, with NEC. When NEC designs a monitor, they never change the screen type without changing the model number. That seems like such an easy standard to meet, but apparently it is not for a lot of manufacturers.
 
SpookyFodder said:
Actually Carlos_T has replied and I think pretty much cleared it up. Refer to the other thread at the top of the page.
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Given the prices at about $100 less than the NEC 2070nx and HP2065, I had assumed it could not be S-IPS. No way I would buy one without a hands on first. But it is sad to see LG engage in wholesale panel swaps while keeping essentially the same model number, at least the BF is an indication something is up. Somewhat better than Dell which has no external indication and switches back and forth during the production life of a monitor, with absolutely no indication to customers. Dell is still the Panel lotto king.

Also the details from the LG rep is still off. I have seen reviews of the L2000C that included pictures of viewing angle. It was absolutely a S-IPS screen and not MVA as he indicates the other choice would be. Sad that LG who actually has a joint venture to build the S-IPS panels themselves, doesn't offer a single S-IPS monitor in Canada. What does it do to your marketing efforts when you try to market the virtues of the S-IPS technology one hand, but you won't actually build monitors including the technology.

Here is visual proof: On the right, viewsonic 2025, known MVA. On the left the old L2000C, which is clearly S-IPS notice massive contrast washout (MVA) compared to none (S-IPS). Not to mention that all their own spec sheets say the original was S-IPS. This reps opinion means little until he gets his story straight.
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=35&mo1=110&p1=1109&ma2=41&mo2=102&p2=1025&ph=8

Or read this to see how generally confused LG is about what is in their own monitors. They sent a review unit they claimed was S-IPS, but was in reality MVA (LG 2040p), They sent another supposed S-IPS that was TN, and finally this LG L2000C was listed as TN and was S-IPS.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/619-8/updated-survey-13-lcd-20-5-6-8-16-ms.html

As always, I believe the L2000C -BF is not S-IPS. It is either MVA or TN, but we need more info to know for sure, but really I don't care, since I am not interested if it is not S-IPS.

I don't pay a lot of attention to LensNumeric/BeHardware review opinons (they are obsessed with Twinkling) but they are at least one site that can tell S-IPS from VA, from TN. And each review includes the pictures to prove it.
 
Snowdog said:
Given the prices at about $100 less than the NEC 2070nx and HP2065, I had assumed it could not be S-IPS. No way I would buy one without a hands on first. But it is sad to see LG engage in wholesale panel swaps while keeping essentially the same model number, at least the BF is an indication something is up. Somewhat better than Dell which has no external indication and switches back and forth during the production life of a monitor, with absolutely no indication to customers. Dell is still the Panel lotto king.

Also the details from the LG rep is still off. I have seen reviews of the L2000C that included pictures of viewing angle. It was absolutely a S-IPS screen and not MVA as he indicates the other choice would be. Sad that LG who actually has a joint venture to build the S-IPS panels themselves, doesn't offer a single S-IPS monitor in Canada. What does it do to your marketing efforts when you try to market the virtues of the S-IPS technology one hand, but you won't actually build monitors including the technology.

Here is visual proof: On the right, viewsonic 2025, known MVA. On the left the old L2000C, which is clearly S-IPS notice massive contrast washout (MVA) compared to none (S-IPS). Not to mention that all their own spec sheets say the original was S-IPS. This reps opinion means little until he gets his story straight.
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=35&mo1=110&p1=1109&ma2=41&mo2=102&p2=1025&ph=8

Or read this to see how generally confused LG is about what is in their own monitors. They sent a review unit they claimed was S-IPS, but was in reality MVA (LG 2040p), They sent another supposed S-IPS that was TN, and finally this LG L2000C was listed as TN and was S-IPS.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/619-8/updated-survey-13-lcd-20-5-6-8-16-ms.html

As always, I believe the L2000C -BF is not S-IPS. It is either MVA or TN, but we need more info to know for sure, but really I don't care, since I am not interested if it is not S-IPS.

I don't pay a lot of attention to LensNumeric/BeHardware review opinons (they are obsessed with Twinkling) but they are at least one site that can tell S-IPS from VA, from TN. And each review includes the pictures to prove it.
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I can't acess ncix forums so I cannot comment. I've just ordered Dell 2007FPW for testing purposes through Costco and if I get an S-IPS version and I like it, than I'll buy probably NEC 2070NX online or (HP L2065).... I'm fed up with LG's BS...:rolleyes:
 
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