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let's talk about VBLOCK
- Thread starter Thuleman
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Why Vblock as pre-racked traditional setup as opposed to another converged system? I'm not keen on the idea of a traditional system (prebuilt or otherwise) with the advent of newer converged options. Smaller footprint, lower power draw, etc. Especially in a remote office without knowledgeable hands/eyes.
The value Vblock provides goes with the whole "No one ever got fired for buying <insert 500 year old brand here>."
There are other converged systems, but they are all essentially unproven startups who may or may not be around tomorrow morning. Buying into the strategic partnership of Cisco, EMC, and VMware delivered as Vblock provides business continuity.
In this particular case "we" already have a strong relationship with all three vendors so Vblock would just extend the existing technology stack.
I did a bit of looking around though for a company that has been shipping systems since 2010 there really is very talk about these systems on the Internet. Makes me wonder whether its currently a loss center for the purpose of just pushing the brands out there. Not sure what to make off all of this.
There are other converged systems, but they are all essentially unproven startups who may or may not be around tomorrow morning. Buying into the strategic partnership of Cisco, EMC, and VMware delivered as Vblock provides business continuity.
In this particular case "we" already have a strong relationship with all three vendors so Vblock would just extend the existing technology stack.
I did a bit of looking around though for a company that has been shipping systems since 2010 there really is very talk about these systems on the Internet. Makes me wonder whether its currently a loss center for the purpose of just pushing the brands out there. Not sure what to make off all of this.
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How many users? whats the use? Vblock seems overkill. You could look at a VTRX or some of the new EVO:RAIL options
From a capacity perspective it's appropriately sized for its intended use and short/mid term growth forecast. It's really just about whether anyone has hand-on experience with these, especially from a support perspective. The whole "it just works" and the assumption that if it doesn't work you don't get ping-ponged between vendors who try to push the issue off to each other is where the perceived value of Vblock comes into play.
I shouldn't even have brought the branch office part up because it's just not relevant to what I am trying to find out.
I shouldn't even have brought the branch office part up because it's just not relevant to what I am trying to find out.
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Well there is something to be said for the one stop shop for support. We've been bounced around between EMC, Cisco, Dell, and VMware before on some weird issues. Finally EMC found the issue after 4 months of saying it wasn't them.
A Vblock is almost always overkill, from a specs perspective. But they are built to scale up to max potential from the start. That means they are over cabled, over connected, and overbuilt. But that's the point. The idea is to not have to go re-architect things if you just want to expand it.
For the right use cases the Vblock is fantastic. It's pre-built. Tested. Certified. Updates are checked. You just don't hit the day to day quirky issues that you would from a "custom" infrastructure build. It's also fast. From order to data center floor in like 45 days. You roll it in, cable it up, do any last minute config..and start running test cases.
But it's not for everyone. The 100s are good for remote offices but so are Nutanix, EVO:Rail, and SympliVity. I like the 100s if you have 300s and 700s back at a main site and want the single support and certification that VCE provides.
For the right use cases the Vblock is fantastic. It's pre-built. Tested. Certified. Updates are checked. You just don't hit the day to day quirky issues that you would from a "custom" infrastructure build. It's also fast. From order to data center floor in like 45 days. You roll it in, cable it up, do any last minute config..and start running test cases.
But it's not for everyone. The 100s are good for remote offices but so are Nutanix, EVO:Rail, and SympliVity. I like the 100s if you have 300s and 700s back at a main site and want the single support and certification that VCE provides.
But it's not for everyone. The 100s are good for remote offices but so are Nutanix, EVO:Rail, and SympliVity. I like the 100s if you have 300s and 700s back at a main site and want the single support and certification that VCE provides.
Totally agree with Jason here. There are other, more compelling solutions. What you do see with Vblock is little in terms of operational efficiency. Too me, a ROBO is a perfect setting for ease of use and managability...and I also echo Jason's suggestions of Nutanix/SympliVity, and EVO: Rail...operationally low overhead and they will be around for a long, long time. The market AND the growth statistics show that.
Agree with most posts.
VBlock is great if you don't have the staff or the skill set to manage it. Its a datacenter in a box of known good configurations. Its also the top of the top, so its costs quite a bit. But you get what you pay for in the long run. And a single number to call when things go side ways. It was pitched where I am currently at, but it wasn't a good fit. I'm already running cisco, ucs and emc so wedging it in on top of what I am doing didn't make sense. However, its actually a really great fit if you are trying to consolidate your environment under one support structure and one technical vision.
VBlock is great if you don't have the staff or the skill set to manage it. Its a datacenter in a box of known good configurations. Its also the top of the top, so its costs quite a bit. But you get what you pay for in the long run. And a single number to call when things go side ways. It was pitched where I am currently at, but it wasn't a good fit. I'm already running cisco, ucs and emc so wedging it in on top of what I am doing didn't make sense. However, its actually a really great fit if you are trying to consolidate your environment under one support structure and one technical vision.
The idea is to get out of the "care and feeding" of the V+C+E pieces of your infrastructure. It's really not about if you don't have the expertise, it's about re-focusing that expertise on things that really matter. Yet to meet a good sized IT org that wasn't swamped and behind.