Last and fastest AGP?

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heliotrope

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Is the 6800's going to be the last generation of fast AGP-capable-chips from nVidia? Are they going to put any of their G7x chips on an AGP board? I would like to upgrade, but am limited to AGP, as I can't really buy a new mobo for my Shuttle box.....

So I wonder what will end up being the fastest AGP solution out there during the sunset of AGP's reign. Is ATI going to put any new chip on AGP or are they through with it?
 
im personally prepared for the worst

agp is gone in my opinion


i am pcie

sold all my agp stuff

thats why


it aint happenin from the looks of it
 
Fast AGP? probably.

I bet they will still keep cranking out AGP cards in some form though. Look how long PCI cards were made for.
 
bigr5026 said:
they might pull off a agp 16x
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Ever heard of PCI-E 16x? That is pretty much AGP 16x :rolleyes:
The very very best video card I know of for AGP.

Is either a Geforce 6800 Ultra or a Radeon X850XT PE ;)
 
nVidia has made it pretty clear that they would not push ahead with AGP cards anymore.
And ATi too, if i'm not mistaken, had change their plan and abandon AGP for their R520 cards.

If any, its probably just the x1600 range that has AGP version.

I am a AGP user myself, but i don't see the logic in making AGP cards, at least not for the high end range. Coz all new system these days uses PCI-E, so chances are any system using AGP would probably be a little bottleneck to the performance of today high end cards.
 
bigr5026 said:
they might pull off a agp 16x
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Yeah, I seriously doubt they will have an AGP 16X.. that's the whole purpose of the PCI-E which runs twice as fast, hence the 16X.

I know it's sad to move on, but I am content with my 6800 Ultra... it's the last best thing that AGP had to offer... ha, I hope. I think the majority of computers still have AGP's... so they might just make faster ones, but it's been like a year so I doubt it.

I know my system will last for the next few years... anything more is awesome if you can afford it.
 
PRIME1 said:
I bet they will still keep cranking out AGP cards in some form though. Look how long PCI cards were made for.
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The difference is that PCI is used for...oh...EVERYTHING, and every single PC out there had PCI slots. Even those that were not designed as "gamer" systems and had no AGP slots. EVERYONE had PCI.

So PCI cards stuck around for a while because so many "brand new" systems were built without AGP slots at all - it kept market interest in PCI solutions, if someone bought a budget PC, then decided they wanted to get into gaming a bit.

AGP doesn't have that going for it - no "brand new" systems are being built with AGP slots but not PCI-E slots. People who bought brand new PCs with AGP cards in them last did so a couple years back...and would have bought the video cards current-gen to the PCs they had. Which would naturally have been AGP, and several years old.

Finally, consider - what motiviation to OEMs (Dell, for example) have for continuing to show interest in AGP cards? If you had a several year old Dell system with an AGP slot, why would Dell sell a latest-and-greatest AGP card for you? Their margins on THOSE are...well, marginal.

They'd MUCH rather you buy a whole new system! With...say...PCI-E. Which, hey, they are making right now! Ain't that special?

Why did they continue PCI for so long, then? Well, again, they sold ultra-budget systems without AGP slots for a long time. Budget users aren't going to buy a whole new system for a video card, but if they change their mind about being gamers after the fact...well, Dell wanted an option for them.

IE., AGP never displaced PCI out of the market, because AGP slots didn't REPLACE PCI slots in the market. PCI-E, on the other hand, DID *replace* AGP. I'd seriously expect to continue seeing PCI video cards longer than we will see AGP video cards (or, alternatively, PCI-E 1x video cards....as PCI-E 1x eventually DOES replace PCI).
 
what was the last nvidia generation where you could get a pci version of the top gpu in the generation?
 
noobtech said:
Yeah, I seriously doubt they will have an AGP 16X.. that's the whole purpose of the PCI-E which runs twice as fast, hence the 16X.
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wrong the Xnumber is the number of PCIe lanes not the bus speed as in AGP
 
darkhorse said:
what was the last nvidia generation where you could get a pci version of the top gpu in the generation?
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nVidia never put their top-end card in PCI format, IIRC.

3dfx's Voodoo5 came out in PCI format...I think that's as close to "top end at the time" as PCI got.

I mean, not counting the Voodoo1-Voodoo2 days, of course, where PCI WAS the fastest format.
 
Elios said:
wrong the Xnumber is the number of PCIe lanes not the bus speed as in AGP
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That's why you're a [H]ardgawd and I'm a n00bie!!! :) Thanks for the correction, I feel smarter all of a sudden!!
 
I think the 5700LE was the best PCI card ever made.

noobtech said:
Oh yeah, what is the bus speed for PCI-E?
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100MHz, versus 66MHz for AGP and 33MHz for PCI
 
noobtech said:
Oh yeah, what is the bus speed for PCI-E?
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500mb/s for a 1x slot, 250mb/s each way. then you just multiply by 2, 4, 8, and 16. an x16 slot has 8gb/s bandwidth, 4gb/s each way.

err... misunderstood the question :p
 
robberbaron said:
But this would still probably win
http://bfgtech.com/5500OC_pci.html
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BFGTECH said:
BFG knows that gamers like to push their hardware to the max. That’s why we’ve taken a powerful graphics processor from NVIDIA,® built a killer card around it that features top of the line components, and runs faster than a standard card. Safely, and at no extra cost to you. What that means is a competitively priced product that performs better than similar cards costing the same. Oh, and the lifetime warranty stays in full effect too.
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bwahahahaha
 
robberbaron said:
Ah, you're right, speed-wise. Looks like the 5700LE would overclock more with its 130nm process..

But this would still probably win
http://bfgtech.com/5500OC_pci.html

Such useless cards we're talking about, here.
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only resion i know was i was helping a guy on another forum find a card for HP medacenter PC and it had no AGP or PCIe
WHAT WAS HP THINKING this day in age there is no resion not to have AGP or PCIe in an OEM PC
 
HP was thinking they were going to provide a shitty computer at an inflated price.
 
spy_kitty said:
for a change.
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After dealing with HP desktops and notebooks in a techshop all day, I can't say very good things about them. Their notebooks are remarkably flimsy (not as bad as Gateways, which feel like they're about to fall apart after a couple years) and their desktops have pretty bad parts in them.
 
robberbaron said:
After dealing with HP desktops and notebooks in a techshop all day, I can't say very good things about them. Their notebooks are remarkably flimsy (not as bad as Gateways, which feel like they're about to fall apart after a couple years) and their desktops have pretty bad parts in them.
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i HATE HP/Compaq notebooks. BOTH of my friends' HP/Compaq notebooks (he has one HP, one compaq, and this is from before htey merged) have had their cooling devices fall off due to shitty mounting with fucking SUPER GLUE and both have had the power jack come off the motherboard.

i got to fix both of them, yippie.
 
Elios said:
per lane

and the 5500 is actly
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=158&card2=167
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Maybe in pure 'performance'-gaming mode.

Remember, however, the 5500 has none of the 5700's bandwidth-saving techniques (color- and z- compression algorithms). Doing anything like anti-aliasing or aniso filtering (granted, not likely on MODERN games) will KILL performance on the 5500 much harder than it would affect the 5700.
 
actually there is a pci version of the 5600 which is better than both the 5500 and 5700le, I only think one manufacturer makes it and whenever anyone links it on these forums its always the same online store.
 
darkhorse said:
actually there is a pci version of the 5600 which is better than both the 5500 and 5700le, I only think one manufacturer makes it and whenever anyone links it on these forums its always the same online store.
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The BEST PCI card was a full-on GeForce 5700.

Not many of those made, and I haven't seen one for sale in a LONG time.

"Stock", you are correct, the PCI 5600 is the fastest. It just costs 1 arm + 1 leg, that's all. A 128-bit GeForce 5700LE should be able to overclock to much faster speeds than it, though - the PCI 5600 was the old chip style, whereas the 5700LE is flip-chip and a smaller process.
 
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