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Largest Case?

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MaXXimus

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Looking for something that would fit 2x360 on the bottom with little or no modding...??
 
Lian Li 343 or Mountain Mods cases are probably what your looking for.

(I am assuming 2 120.3/360 watercooling radiators)
 
Well as for the Lian Li, the Xaser VI Im getting is slightly bigger and the Mountain mods just dont do anything for me. Guess I'll just stick with the one Im getting and once its all together I can figure things out a little better... thanks.
 
I don't know much about watercooling but just took delivery on a Lian Li v2100a Plus II and it is friggin' huge . . . it dwarfs both the Silverstone TJ09 and Antec P190 I have sitting next to it.

The bottom portion of the case is wayyy larger than it needs to be because the top (motherboard) section is fairly cramped - which is kind of disappointing given how big this case is overall.

But looks like the bottom part can hold a bunch of radiators and such.
 
MaXXimus said:
Well as for the Lian Li, the Xaser VI Im getting is slightly bigger and the Mountain mods just dont do anything for me. Guess I'll just stick with the one Im getting and once its all together I can figure things out a little better... thanks.
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Yea the Xaser VI is half the size of the Lian Li 343, not larger lol....

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=204&products_id=20821

The 2100 is a good case too, but if you want something to fit two 3x120mm radiators the Lian-Li PC-343 or the Mountain Mods cases are where its at.
 
who ever would buy a 1000 dollor case cuz it has water cooling is retarded, u can prob make that same case for like 650 including the wc parts.
 
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and I think you can fit 2X480, with more than 8 fans since you can put like 4 fans on one side (intake) and 4 (or less) at the other side (outtake)

I saw once a TJ07 with 1X480 rad internally in the bottom with 7 fans (4 at a side and 3 at the other side)
That’s it: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2692884&postcount=128

I just hope you have an extreme chip cuz these things with a normal chip is overcooling
 
Nick_Leo said:
who ever would buy a 1000 dollor case cuz it has water cooling is retarded, u can prob make that same case for like 650 including the wc parts.
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Well using the word "retarded" is not only rude but I also take offense. My reasoning to pay this kind of money is for a few reasons such as... I do not have the tools to make something this nice and would end up with the crappiest looking case you ever saw, plus the fact Im not too handy with tools, outside of pliers and a screwdriver... I have patience but it only goes so far and if I hit too many snags Im bound too toss the whole bundle of parts into the trash compactor... So with that said I dont see any reason to insult someone over what they descide to purchase.
 
firas said:
I just hope you have an extreme chip cuz these things with a normal chip is overcooling
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I getting the QX9650, Asus Maximus Extreme, Corsair Dominator 4GB DDR3 1800Mhz and dual 3870 X2's. I figure I could use the one loop with the triple rad with the CPU+NB... see about adding a second double rad and then add another pump and resevoir and have each GPU on its on loop, so I can have 3 UV colors... or I could just add the double to the existing double and stick with 2 loops total.
 
Nick_Leo said:
who ever would buy a 1000 dollor case cuz it has water cooling is retarded, u can prob make that same case for like 650 including the wc parts.
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Just because you don't see the need to spend that kind of dough for a case, doesn't warrant "retarded". He knows its expensive but he can obviously afford it and has enough money left for food. Its like calling someone retarded for dropping $10 mil on a yacht instead of a mansion. Different folks, different strokes.
 
MaXXimus said:
I getting the QX9650, Asus Maximus Extreme, Corsair Dominator 4GB DDR3 1800Mhz and dual 3870 X2's. I figure I could use the one loop with the triple rad with the CPU+NB... see about adding a second double rad and then add another pump and resevoir and have each GPU on its on loop, so I can have 3 UV colors... or I could just add the double to the existing double and stick with 2 loops total.
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I would’ve advised you to drop the 4GB DDR3@1800 idea but you seem to have a serious money problem and need to get rid of them by any possible way
so I’ll advice you to drop the Maximus Extreme and wait for the Rampage Extreme (thats the non-extreme but I guess they have the same concept)
drop the QX9650 for the QX9770

for the WC:
go 5 loops with the mobo (this will help)
another loop for the GPU
another loops with the RAM
and don’t forget those loops

yes I know it’s frustrating but we’ll have to accept that we can’t water cool the PSU, but we can still buy that transparent mouse with water inside it and say that we overclocked the mouse :D
 
well even if i had 1000 to spend in my mind its not as rewarding as building it yourself.
 
Yikes.............

I thought my case was expensive!!!! Coolmaster 830 EVO from Performance with a custom Plexi side window...........295............shit, I got away cheeeeeeeeap.:D
 
Nick_Leo said:
well even if i had 1000 to spend in my mind its not as rewarding as building it yourself.
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Dude, you seriously need to step back. If you have the tools, creativity and patience to mod a case then thats awesome for ya. I do not have the proper tools to do it the way it needs to be done and therefore I need to look at other options and this is the best option for me, unless I want to waste my money on something like a self contained unit like Koolance, CoolIt etc... So enough with posting in here because I have had about enough of your outright ignorance.
 
firas said:
I would’ve advised you to drop the 4GB DDR3@1800 idea but you seem to have a serious money problem and need to get rid of them by any possible way
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Why do I want to drop the RAM? And you lost me on this... "you seem to have a serious money problem"?? I dont quite understand lol

And thanks for those links... good stuff.
 
so since the lian li 2100 is around $300, you are paying $700 for 2 wc loops without blocks and a vertical psu plate?


edit i looked a little closer, ie also a side window and top window.
 
Well after looking up prices for JUST the case and the liquid cooling components (fans, pumps, resevoirs & rads) the price came out to $768.32 so I really dont think when considering the mods done to the case and installation thats it overpriced by much at all... hell actually when I think about it, its pretty reasonable.
 
Honestly........Performance is the king of cases and modifications......you cant argue with the quality of their work.
I have had two modified cases from them.....my CM and a Lian-Li and both are expertly done.
Their service is top notch as well.
I buy almost all of my WC and modification stuff from them as well.

Bottom line, if you are happy with the choice.....do it.
 
magoo said:
Honestly........Performance is the king of cases and modifications......you cant argue with the quality of their work.
I have had two modified cases from them.....my CM and a Lian-Li and both are expertly done.
Their service is top notch as well.
I buy almost all of my WC and modification stuff from them as well.

Bottom line, if you are happy with the choice.....do it.
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Thats what I like to hear... let ya know how I make out because I sent them an email asking about a few changes I would like to make and not sure if they do that. Do you happen to know?
 
MaXXimus said:
I getting the QX9650, Asus Maximus Extreme, Corsair Dominator 4GB DDR3 1800Mhz and dual 3870 X2's. I figure I could use the one loop with the triple rad with the CPU+NB... see about adding a second double rad and then add another pump and resevoir and have each GPU on its on loop, so I can have 3 UV colors... or I could just add the double to the existing double and stick with 2 loops total.
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Ah Ha.... She got the house eh?
 
Indignity said:
Ah Ha.... She got the house eh?
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that was hilarious :D

MaXXimus said:
Why do I want to drop the RAM? And you lost me on this... "you seem to have a serious money problem"?? I dont quite understand lol

And thanks for those links... good stuff.
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I have a feeling that you don’t know DDR3 is worthless/pointless

I mean $GB DDR3@1800 means something like $800 at least instead of something like $114 for G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) DDR2 1000
800-114 = $686 price difference
around 700% increase of price
and what performance increase it would give you? 1%? 2%? 5%? …….. I hope so

let me through some links
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/511/7/
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989&p=8
http://xtreview.com/review217.htm
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/print/ddr3.html
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2991

We set out to see if there was a significant difference between DDR2 and DDR3 memory on both of the Intel P35 Express based ASUS motherboards and found that there really isn't. Right now there is no clear call as to what would be better for gamers and enthusiasts as it depends on your tastes. As with all new technology it will only get better as time goes on and with memory companies hitting ~1,800MHz on the initial 512Mb DDR3 IC's it shows great promise for the new memory type.
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True, on the one hand DDR3 SDRAM cannot take the system performance to another level. The tests showed that the newest DDR2 SDRAM can provide the same level of performance as the currently available DDR3 SDRAM. In fact, the results of our benchmarks indicate an approximate parity between systems equipped with DDR2-1066 SDRAM and DDR3-1333 SDRAM. And since DDR3-1333 SDRAM is not only the fastest memory in the market today, but also the fastest memory that Intel P35 based platforms support, it doesn’t make any sense even for computer enthusiasts who care about every additional percent of extra performance to transfer to DDR3 SDRAM at this time.
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According to the obtained tests results , neither DDR 3-1333 with the extremely low latency north DDR 3-1600 could ensure unambiguously better speed, than DDR2 memory. Although in some tasks, for example in games, during video coding and in Excel new DDR3 SDRAM shows higher performance, but there is a large quantity of tasks, where the picture is reverse.
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and don't let me start explaining why QX chips are worthless :D

firas said:
I wonder how much extra performance could:
Q6600 + ASUS P5E3 Deluxe/WiFi (or any other X38 with DDR3 support) + 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR3@1600 ____________ $260+$335+about $350 = $945
Offer over this:
Q6600 + GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L (or ABIT IP35) + 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2@800 (or @800 but OCable to 500Mhz)_____$260+$100 (or 180) +$44 (or $70) = $404 (or $510)
It could offer slightly better performance (talking about the real life not the benches) but is it worth it?

my plan is:
Q9450 + ASUS MAXIMUS FORMULA + 4GB (2X2) DDR2@OCable to 500Mhz (mostly the G.Skill DDR2-1000)________let’s say $350 + $260 + $114 = $724

MAXIMUS FORMULA will offer me:
native support for the new 45nm processors (I guess the P35 does that but after updating the drivers)
and PCI-E 2.0
and I’ll go 5 loops with this thing (CPU+GPU+NB+SB+Mosfet1+Mosfet2 :D )
and of course this board has proven that it worth the extra money

but I admit that the $404 plan is a very smart one, it can even go cheaper if done with the new Wolfdale E8400 instead of the Q6600 ;)
all those plans will offer a super computer/gaming experience specially when executed with a top-end graphic card (like the next GeForce 9800GX2)

maybe that’ why manufacturers offer this plan:
the worthless QX bla bla + the pointless DDR3 + top-end X38 (or even X48) = moahaha :eek:
so people with a plan similar to mine would feel they haven’t done the most stupid plan :D
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and this will explain why WC is also pointless, I knew this after I started this

don’t get me wrong I’m just trying to open your eyes on some things
Btw, I’m planning for
Q9450+Asus Rampage Formula+2X2GB DDR2@1000 (the G.Skill I mentioned)
+ Silverstone TJ07+water cooling system (don’t know yet but maybe 3X120 rad at the bottom for the CPU+GPU, and 2X120 on top for the NB/SB/Mosfet)
 
I would consider dropping the DDR3 if I could find a motherboard equal to the Maximus Extreme. So you tell me what options do I have for the following:

QX9650 - Must Keep
CrossFire - Must Keep
2 PCIe 16x Slots
 
cesium666 said:
they used lower end systems, compared to a high end watercooling setup which WILL give far greater cooling ability

tho i do agree, ddr3 is useless at this point in time
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Q9450/E8500 based system is not really a low-end one, a good air-cooling system (i.e.: Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme) should make a chip like the Q6600/Q9450 reach its FSB wall and any additional cooling/drop of temperatures will not benefit the CPU speed since the FSB will limit you at something like 470Mhz (or 500)

so even if you used super high-end water cooling system, what’s the point when u’ll be stuck at a cretin speed that a good air cooling system will make you reach it

but the extreme chips are a different case here cuz it’ll take advantage of any additional cooling, and this is the only case where you’ll really feel that the money you spent on the WC made some difference

as I mentioned before, I’m not against the WC concept, I myself want to use it with a limited chip like the Q9450, but I have to admit that I’ll spend a lot of $$ for nothing but the looks (which is 500% worth it for me) and maybe it’ll not make me worry about the CPU/NB temperature

MaXXimus said:
I would consider dropping the DDR3 if I could find a motherboard equal to the Maximus Extreme. So you tell me what options do I have for the following:

QX9650 - Must Keep
CrossFire - Must Keep
2 PCIe 16x Slots
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QX CPU’s was insanely overclocked with much cheaper P35 based boards, why you make it sound like the Maximus Extreme have the X factor?!
and if it had that X factor, I’m sure the DDR2 Maximus Formula will have it, remember the thread from XS forum I gave you about water cooling the Maximus Formula (and this is another one about it, and this is [H] review about it ) I can easely tell you that Maximus Formula is the motherboards king now, and since we can say that the X48 Rampage formula is the next version from this board…I’m sure it’ll be the next king (or at least one of the kings) and this is already happening now

i'll pause my NO-QX-CPU opinion now and agree on the QX9650 with you

Maximus/Rampage Formula will support CrossFire and QX9650 and will offer you all the OC capabilities/features you could need

though I said what I said about the DDR3, i'm not sure about QX and DDR3 so you need some other openions here (though i'm sure DDR3 will still be poitless even with a QX CPU)

so if we focus on the DDR2 now, I think u'll have to decide whether you want 2GB or 4GB (2X2GB) kit, and in this case it’s an Amount vs speed issue (generally)

the G.Skill I mentioned is the best (fastest) 2X2GB kit DDR2 will offer you (@1000 factory speed)
the other choice is to get some other DDR2@800 that other people used it and OCed it up to 1000mhz and more (the problem here is that no one can grantee you that the RAM will not burn during the OC)
another choice is 4X1GB, this option should limit your OC (theoretically) but I remember seeing some good OC results with 4X1GB rams

and if you decided to go for 2X1GB you’ll have a lot of choices, and I guess this is the most used choice by QX9650 owners

but the G.Skill seems more than enough, and shouldn’t limit your FSB at any time since QX9650 reached insane speeds without hitting 500Mhz FSB
remember G.Skill DDR2@1000 can handle up to 500FSB

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from XS (By Hideo)

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CPU: QX9650
M/B: ASUS P5K-E
CPU Coolin LN2
Chipset Cooling : -+ FAN 4cm 6200r.p.m
Memory: A-DATA PC2-9600(DDR1200+)1GBx2

This is interesting :D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172775
 
firas said:
Q9450/E8500 based system is not really a low-end one, a good air-cooling system
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sorry, i meant lower end watercooling systems

you can run a true-120 and get to teh fsb wall, but theres no way its going to be quiet. on teh other hand, you can run a triple rad with 3xyate loons or something quiet, and it will cool better
 
you can post all the quotes and benchmarks in the world. all the next higher end chipsets will be ddr3, including x48 and nf790i. ddr2 prices have fallen thru the floor and the memory manufacturers are pressuring the companies to design ddr3 chips/boards. ddr3 is not like rambus and wont just disappear in a while.
 
Well I would hope that as DDR3 starts becoming the norm we see some major price drops with it... prices arent just "a little" high, they are outright insane
 
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