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just got a 9070XT....power problems?

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THRESHIN

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saturday i decided to pull the trigger on upgrading my GPU. went from a 6700XT to a 9070XT, and yes quite the upgrade.

here's the important stuff:
intel 14600KF NOT overclocked
PSU is Corsair RM850 2021 version (see link)
MSI pro z690-P DDR4
2x 16GB DDR4 3200
1TB SSD, 2TB SSD, 16TB HDD
CPU is water cooled, GPU is stock cooling

problem is i'm having occasional GPU crashes. dumps me to desktop. this seems to only occur under high sustained load and happens with two games i have tested now (alan wake 2 and cyberpunk)

with the 6700XT i had a single PCI-e power cable and used the pigtail for the second connection, never a problem. of course the 9070XT needs 3 of the 8x2 pin connectors (damn pig it is). issue is i'm limited on cables/PSU ports now. i have two cables going to the 9070XT with the third port filled with the pigtail connection. i believe this is where the problem is, but not sure what would be best way to confirm?

for the mainboard, it has cpu_pwr_1 and 2. 1 is another 2x8 pin connection. the pwr_2 is a 2x2 4 pin, but with the nature of modular takes up one of the 2x8 ports and is split at the end.

since not overclocking, to my understanding it would be fine to disconnect the 2x2 pin for cpu_pwr_2 and then i could have a 3rd dedicated line to the 9070XT. does this make sense? another option, i have ordered this: adapter

from what i can tell, my PSU is indeed recommended for this GPU.

by the way, its the asus prime 9070XT and is not an OC version.

thoughts are welcome, troubleshooting steps i may be missing, etc.
 
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check its all seated correctly as that should be fine, even with the "pig tail".
your psu also has 4x pcie/cpu connectors so you have enough without having to shuffle things.
you could drop the power, voltage and speed to see it it stabilizes...
you could also use hwinfo logging to see if you're getting power spikes that the psu doesnt like. ive seen spikes of 350w+ on my 9070 which is 220w...
 
You only need an 8pin for the CPU, you don't need this 4pin.

The 8pin for the cpu and the 8pin for the gpu are not physically the same.

You should have 3 free slots on the psu for the gpu.3x8pin for GPU

You don't need any adapter if you have what you linked.
 
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I second trying power limiting. You should be fine to pull the second cable off the CPU. The cable you linked appears to be an extension cable. The pinout is different from PCIe and you'd need an adapter. I wouldn't use one unless I had to.
 
Thanks guys. I like the idea of logging this, should show something. I'll check again how I have this set up.
 
Great advice to use HWmonitor, thanks guys. That proved that its not a power issue last night. Game crashed with low power usage. I had task switched out and was switching back in. Minimal power consumption and load at the time of crash.

After a little reading this could be an issue with the newest drivers. Seems they're a bit unstable. I'll try using a previous version and see what happens.
 
THRESHIN said:
Great advice to use HWmonitor, thanks guys. That proved that its not a power issue last night. Game crashed with low power usage. I had task switched out and was switching back in. Minimal power consumption and load at the time of crash.

After a little reading this could be an issue with the newest drivers. Seems they're a bit unstable. I'll try using a previous version and see what happens.
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Strange, sell the amd gpu and buy a new intel gpu. If I had a modern intel cpu, I would probably look at the intel gpu because that combination works best. Intel is breaking into the gpu market and can only compete on price and its goal is not to lose even more to amd.
Allegedly intel is preparing a new gpu for this year, it seems like the last option for cheap and affordable gpu. Nvidia and amd don't care too much anyway.
 
Strange bird said:
Strange, sell the amd gpu and buy a new intel gpu. If I had a modern intel cpu, I would probably look at the intel gpu because that combination works best. Intel is breaking into the gpu market and can only compete on price and its goal is not to lose even more to amd.
Allegedly intel is preparing a new gpu for this year, it seems like the last option for cheap and affordable gpu. Nvidia and amd don't care too much anyway.
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Sell a 9070xt and buy an Intel GPU? Tell me, which Intel card can come close to a 9070xt?
 
Sounds like a faulty GPU to me. Bad core. AMD's drivers have been top notch in the stability department for about a year now surprisingly.
 
Rvenger said:
Sounds like a faulty GPU to me. Bad core. AMD's drivers have been top notch in the stability department for about a year now surprisingly.
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Noooo, no they have not. Everything since 25.9.1 have been a total crapshoot with thousands of complaints about crashing and black screens although it seems like the 9060XT was most affected for some reason. The most recent FSR update driver seems pretty good though, its working well on my 9070XT. I tried each and every one from 25.9.2 on to 25.11.whatever and had a lot of crashing.
 
I would add that if you are coming off of an nVidia card, that sometimes remnants from the nVidia drivers can cause problems with AMD cards. I have personally seen this with friends who moved from nVidia to AMD. Try DDU, reboot, and then reinstall the current AMD driver if you haven't already.
 
LigTasm said:
Noooo, no they have not. Everything since 25.9.1 have been a total crapshoot with thousands of complaints about crashing and black screens although it seems like the 9060XT was most affected for some reason. The most recent FSR update driver seems pretty good though, its working well on my 9070XT. I tried each and every one from 25.9.2 on to 25.11.whatever and had a lot of crashing.
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I have had a great experience compared to the last 10 years of drivers. Maybe I’m just lucky this time around because black/green screen crashes haunted me for a long time.
 
Rvenger said:
I have had a great experience compared to the last 10 years of drivers. Maybe I’m just lucky this time around because black/green screen crashes haunted me for a long time.
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The newest version (idk the number) with the FSR Redstone update is really good, but the last few were balls. I kept reverting to 25.9.1 to avoid the crashes, that was like the 566.31 from Nvidia where it "just works". I think Nvidia has had way more terrible drivers this year though.
 
LigTasm said:
The newest version (idk the number) with the FSR Redstone update is really good, but the last few were balls. I kept reverting to 25.9.1 to avoid the crashes, that was like the 566.31 from Nvidia where it "just works". I think Nvidia has had way more terrible drivers this year though.
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Agreed but I am currently on a 5070 ti and the latest driver seems to be solid. It wasn’t that way 5 months ago. Seems that AMD is finally learning and I believe it’s all their architecture changes that create the issue, like how they wanted to stop support on 6000 series already. It’s likely because of the issues of packaging these fixes across all RDNA cards. One issue gets fixed then breaks something else.
 
Rvenger said:
Agreed but I am currently on a 5070 ti and the latest driver seems to be solid. It wasn’t that way 5 months ago. Seems that AMD is finally learning and I believe it’s all their architecture changes that create the issue, like how they wanted to stop support on 6000 series already. It’s likely because of the issues of packaging these fixes across all RDNA cards. One issue gets fixed then breaks something else.
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AMD has never done software well.
 
The symptom are:
1. If clocked - not enough voltage / unstable clock.
2. If stock - bad semple.
3. Broken windows libraries - so sfc scannow or VC++ repair/install.
4. As someone said up leftovers from previous card so DDU in safe mode with all cards clean up.
 
Or it's faulty, sell it nicely and add an extra 100-200usd and buy a Jensen and you won't have any problems.
Maybe his CPU isn't working properly or something else, it doesn't have to mean it's the GPU.
Intel cpu+amd gpu is the worst possible combination. Either intel+nvidia/intel gpu or amd+nvidia/amd gpu.
One more thing, it has 19TB of storage space.
 
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Thanks again for the responses....at least most of you. I think I got it figured out last night and it was pretty simple. Turn off HAGS in windows settings. That's it, doesn't seem to affect performance in any significant way. At least none I care about.

I don't believe this was a hardware issue. Lowering power limit didn't change anything and as mentioned I did have a crash while GPU load was minimal. Rolling back drivers didn't make any difference.

I'll look over some of the more sane suggestions here and see if there's anything else to do, but that's a back burner project now if it's running fine.

Have to say, great card. Enjoyed several hours of Alan Wake 2 and Clair Obscure last night both lag and crash free.

Strange bird said:
Or it's faulty, sell it nicely and add an extra 100-200usd and buy a Jensen and you won't have any problems.
Maybe his CPU isn't working properly or something else, it doesn't have to mean it's the GPU.
Intel cpu+amd gpu is the worst possible combination. Either intel+nvidia/intel gpu or amd+nvidia/amd gpu.
One more thing, it has 19TB of storage space.
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Dude...you got problems. Seek help.
 
THRESHIN said:
Thanks again for the responses....at least most of you. I think I got it figured out last night and it was pretty simple. Turn off HAGS in windows settings. That's it, doesn't seem to affect performance in any significant way. At least none I care about.
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So the point 3 :)
But yeah, just use it that way HAGS doesn't help much anyway.
 
THRESHIN said:
Thanks again for the responses....at least most of you. I think I got it figured out last night and it was pretty simple. Turn off HAGS in windows settings. That's it, doesn't seem to affect performance in any significant way. At least none I care about.

I don't believe this was a hardware issue. Lowering power limit didn't change anything and as mentioned I did have a crash while GPU load was minimal. Rolling back drivers didn't make any difference.

I'll look over some of the more sane suggestions here and see if there's anything else to do, but that's a back burner project now if it's running fine.

Have to say, great card. Enjoyed several hours of Alan Wake 2 and Clair Obscure last night both lag and crash free.
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I haven't heard of that hags yet, it should be enabled.
Do you have resizable BAR or SAM enabled?
 
THRESHIN said:
Dude...you got problems. Seek help.
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Strange bird said:
I haven't heard of that hags yet, it should be enabled.
Do you have resizable BAR or SAM enabled?
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AVATARAT said:
It's very old as a problem and pops up from time to time because... Microsoft/GPU manufacturers/etc.. updates.
Just search and you'll find lots of results.
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I really had no idea about this. I found it and I see that it is enabled for me.
I found another option that is also there, it is called: Optimizations for windowed games. It is also enabled for me. Now I understand why RDR2 always favored windowed screen in the settings and not full screen.It had those options,borderless window.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...ndows-11-3f006843-2c7e-4ed0-9a5e-f9389e535952
 
There is another thing to keep on the back of ypur mind: 3rd party background process hardware monitor tools. Afterburner specifically, or any other that isn't built into your driver's, can sometimes cause crashes. I don't know how many times I've seen tools like Afterburner directly cause crashes just from being installed even when not using them to overclock or control fans. Then people blame everything else under the sun because they're using the monitor tools to trying to find the problem, when they are the problem.
 
THRESHIN said:
your advice was to sell the card i just bought without troubleshooting and buy an intel card that is less than half the performance. you can see yourself out now.
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"The Intel i5-14600KF, like other 13th/14th Gen K-SKU CPUs, has faced issues with system instability (crashes, BSODs) and high temperatures due to voltage problems and potential silicon degradation, addressed by Intel through BIOS updates with "Intel Default Settings" and new microcode (0x12B) to limit excessive voltage requests, though some users still report overheating during heavy gaming, suggesting the need for good cooling and potentially adjusting BIOS settings like "CPU Lite Load" or disabling "Turbo". "

Yes, that advice still stands.Better a new intel gpu or nvidia for an intel cpu.
Have you upgraded the BIOS from MBO at all?

And which 9070xt do you have exactly? Give me a link.
You need to feed that CPU.
Overclocking the i5-14600KF generally yields significant performance gains in gaming and productivity, pushing it closer to i9 levels in some tasks, with users reaching 5.7-6.0 GHz on P-cores with good cooling, but requires careful voltage management (undervolting) to avoid high temps (near 100°C) and potential degradation at stock settings, making a good AIO cooler or large air cooler crucial for stable, cooler operation compared to stock, which boosts to 5.3 GHz but can hit high voltages.
 
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Strange bird said:
"The Intel i5-14600KF, like other 13th/14th Gen K-SKU CPUs, has faced issues with system instability (crashes, BSODs) and high temperatures due to voltage problems and potential silicon degradation, addressed by Intel through BIOS updates with "Intel Default Settings" and new microcode (0x12B) to limit excessive voltage requests, though some users still report overheating during heavy gaming, suggesting the need for good cooling and potentially adjusting BIOS settings like "CPU Lite Load" or disabling "Turbo". "

Yes, that advice still stands.Better a new intel gpu or nvidia for an intel cpu.
Have you upgraded the BIOS from MBO at all?

And which 9070xt do you have exactly? Give me a link.
You need to feed that CPU.
Overclocking the i5-14600KF generally yields significant performance gains in gaming and productivity, pushing it closer to i9 levels in some tasks, with users reaching 5.7-6.0 GHz on P-cores with good cooling, but requires careful voltage management (undervolting) to avoid high temps (near 100°C) and potential degradation at stock settings, making a good AIO cooler or large air cooler crucial for stable, cooler operation compared to stock, which boosts to 5.3 GHz but can hit high voltages.
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and this is exactly why you can see yourself out. your "advice" is a bad joke, maybe a troll. I'm not sure yet. your 'help' is neither helpful or wanted here. no, i will not give you any details or links because I do not want your brand of helping.

Furthermore, the problem seems to have been resolved. Case closed, find something else to do. I will not be responding to any more of your garbage. good day.
 
THRESHIN said:
and this is exactly why you can see yourself out. your "advice" is a bad joke, maybe a troll. I'm not sure yet. your 'help' is neither helpful or wanted here. no, i will not give you any details or links because I do not want your brand of helping.

Furthermore, the problem seems to have been resolved. Case closed, find something else to do. I will not be responding to any more of your garbage. good day.
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I didn't mean anything bad, you're right, current Intel GPUs are low or mid-range.
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-c...s/all-series/filter?Category=AMD&Series=PRIME
 
THRESHIN said:
and this is exactly why you can see yourself out. your "advice" is a bad joke, maybe a troll. I'm not sure yet. your 'help' is neither helpful or wanted here. no, i will not give you any details or links because I do not want your brand of helping.

Furthermore, the problem seems to have been resolved. Case closed, find something else to do. I will not be responding to any more of your garbage. good day.
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Go easy. It’s his way of apologizing for the shit advise he initially provided. He’s just trying to redeem himself among his peers now.
 
THRESHIN said:
Great advice to use HWmonitor, thanks guys. That proved that its not a power issue last night. Game crashed with low power usage. I had task switched out and was switching back in. Minimal power consumption and load at the time of crash.

After a little reading this could be an issue with the newest drivers. Seems they're a bit unstable. I'll try using a previous version and see what happens.
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Reseat the card and push it in kinda hard, I had the same issue with mine. If it's loose at all it'll crash. Unscrew it, take it out, push it back in, put the plugs back in. Make sure it's not sagging at all, don't bump it (it's a very sensitive boi). Cables in, try again. I'm on 25.12.1, fully stable
 
Decko said:
Reseat the card and push it in kinda hard, I had the same issue with mine. If it's loose at all it'll crash. Unscrew it, take it out, push it back in, put the plugs back in. Make sure it's not sagging at all, don't bump it (it's a very sensitive boi). Cables in, try again. I'm on 25.12.1, fully stable
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post 22 has the resolution.
 
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